Queue/Batch Discussion Thread - Page 375

omgitznpv · 02-17-2008, 04:23 PM

If it's one whole consistent BPM throughout the whole song, MixMeister's really useful. I mean, if you get 101.50 BPM for a fast Sharpnel song, you know it's really 203 BPM.

If the song has BPM changes, kill yourself

**smartdude1212** · 02-17-2008, 04:24 PM

I hope JX +'d bmah's 'STAR of MINE' because that was a fun ****ing file.

**eastsideman09** · 02-17-2008, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by omgitznpv

I mean, if you get 101.50 BPM for a fast Sharpnel song, you know it's really 203 BPM.

i c waht u ded thur

With my Vertex file, i used MixMeister. since its a Vertex remix, theres lotsa speed ups. what MM did was it gave me the first BPM of the song.... i had to figure out the bpm changes for the rest of the file....

omgitznpv · 02-17-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by eastsideman09

i c waht u ded thur

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ITS A SECRET

shhhhhhhhhhhh all of you

**dean_machine** · 02-17-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sticklydude

there is an update that makes the bpm one time

Ooh, thanks for telling me that. That bpm change for every second really annoyed me. Hopefully there's an update that makes it more stable too since it crashes all the time.

**bmah** · 02-17-2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Coolboyrulez0

But it's quite accurate and if it seems ridiculously off: Double / Half the BPM and it's the actual BPM. Always worked for me

No, Mixmeister can really be ridiculously off. Not by a simple division of the bpm, but by an amount that's far off from any sensible bpm for the song. This happens often when you have a song with a large amount of bpm changes but overall has a primary bpm. So even if the song for the most part has a steady beat, any offbeat/rubato-like sections will likely throw Mixmeister off track of the proper bpm.

TK_pavonineukon · 02-18-2008, 09:48 PM

Songs can also become off-beat during quiet or silenced parts of the song. MM takes the average BPM of the whole song, so if there's always a constant beat, then it's O.K. to be 100% sure that the BPM is correct (unless it's halved or doubled). However, if there are some parts of the song that are a bit quiet, then it never hurts to find out the BPM manually by simply playing the song over in Stepmania's edit mode.

**jimerax** · 02-19-2008, 12:45 PM

Basically MixMeister shows (almost) all BPMs as 80-160 range.

omgitznpv · 02-19-2008, 02:31 PM

Okay, so I have a question.

In the guitar solo for MOSAIC.WAV's Kimi Wa Nan Terabyte, when I sync it correctly and everything, it's basically a whole mass of 16ths, 32nds, 48ths, and a couple of 192nds- done on 0.3x and 0.5x (I can distinguish between each individual pickstroke, note, etc. just fine). When I play it on 1.0x, though, it seems completely wrong, as it sounds like it's just a mass of 16ths with a few 24ths. Would it be better to have it actually correct and be insanely hard or have it "sound" correct and have it somewhat hard? It seems awesome correctly synced though lol

*edit*

I played through it some more; if you're playing the steps and listening (on 1.0x), it seems wrong (too hard and whatever), but if you just sit and listen to it carefully it actually seems correct...

omgitznpv · 02-19-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by stargroup100

step it so that it flows well. screw tiny sync stuff if all they're going to do is create a massive wall of arrows. ignore anything necessary

They never really create a massive wall of arrows, since it speeds up and down constantly...it flows pretty well when I do get rid of the jacks in it, though.

**dore** · 02-19-2008, 10:07 PM

I've had the same issues with guitars, omg. There's lots of extra fuzz in guitar playing that you usually can't hear at normal speed but slowed down you can. It's just the nature of electric guitars. Step what feels right on 1x because that's what the ear can normally hear

**jimerax** · 02-19-2008, 11:19 PM

Slower music speed is better for syncing unless it's very inaudible.
For example if it's an inconstant simple piano song, set it 0.2(write option)-0.3x and use assist tick.
If you are used to it you can sync it with an accuracy of 5ms.

BPM calculation from the wave profile of the music would be more accurate, needs some technique though.

omgitznpv · 02-20-2008, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dore

I've had the same issues with guitars, omg. There's lots of extra fuzz in guitar playing that you usually can't hear at normal speed but slowed down you can. It's just the nature of electric guitars. Step what feels right on 1x because that's what the ear can normally hear

Okay, I'll try not to make it look overdone, I guess. On 1.0x, I can hear each individual note almost perfectly, though, lol.

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Originally Posted by jimerax

Slower music speed is better for syncing unless it's very inaudible.
For example if it's an inconstant simple piano song, set it 0.2(write option)-0.3x and use assist tick.
If you are used to it you can sync it with an accuracy of 5ms.

BPM calculation from the wave profile of the music would be more accurate, needs some technique though.

5ms?

**stargroup100** · 02-20-2008, 01:56 PM

ok steppin da guitarz

rule 1: make sure you step the main melody line, duh
rule 2: if it's too easy/empty/not fun enough add the grace stuff found in between
rule 3: don't finalize it if it only looks good. make sure it feels good too
rule 4: wala u did u

**jimerax** · 02-20-2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by omgitznpv

5ms?

the unit of offset, 5 was a bit too strict though.
FYI, Marvelous window time = 22.5ms.

omgitznpv · 02-20-2008, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jimerax

the unit of offset, 5 was a bit too strict though.
FYI, Marvelous window time = 22.5ms.

Oh, okay, thanks.

heyitsmee · 02-21-2008, 08:58 AM

please someone step this

"03-venetian_snares-oengyilkos_vasarnap-dps.mp3"

bluguerrilla · 02-21-2008, 09:01 AM

I'm not so sure that would make a good sim.

Maybe an ok easy one...

Edit: Is it just me or does Szerencsétlen sound like In Da Club or whatever?

Editt: Integraation did make a good sim. We just need to finish working on it...

heyitsmee · 02-21-2008, 09:22 AM

bluguerrilla your making venetian_snares Integraation? i can hear that track all day if you are making it i'm sure i could play it all day yesss

oengyilkos_vasarnap - i think it can be something like that 4 3 minute file by zero (cruel something) a little repetitive but unique
dont know sounds a little the same

bluguerrilla · 02-21-2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by heyitsmee

bluguerrilla your making venetian_snares Integraation? i can hear that track all day if you are making it i'm sure i could play it all day yesss

It's a collab with SulferDragon, and it's really fun. I know Venetian Snares is overstepped blah blah but who cares.

02-17-2008, 04:24 PM	#7482
smartdude1212 2 is poo Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 34 Posts: 6,687	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread I hope JX +'d bmah's 'STAR of MINE' because that was a fun ****ing file.

02-18-2008, 09:48 PM	#7487
TK_pavonineukon FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 164	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread Songs can also become off-beat during quiet or silenced parts of the song. MM takes the average BPM of the whole song, so if there's always a constant beat, then it's O.K. to be 100% sure that the BPM is correct (unless it's halved or doubled). However, if there are some parts of the song that are a bit quiet, then it never hurts to find out the BPM manually by simply playing the song over in Stepmania's edit mode. __________________ Correct pronunciation of my s/n: (tē-kā'-păv'ə-nīn'-yū-kŏn) Abbreviations of my s/n that make me go or make me want to rip my eyeballs out of their sockets: pavon, pavonin (um... what's a pavonin???) Correct abbreviations that put a on my face: pav, pavo, TK_pav, pavonine (which is an actual word and I prefer it much more with the "e"), pkon, and anything else as long as it makes sense

02-19-2008, 12:45 PM	#7488
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread Basically MixMeister shows (almost) all BPMs as 80-160 range.

02-19-2008, 10:07 PM	#7491
dore caveman pornstar Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ridin on a unicorn Age: 35 Posts: 6,317	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread I've had the same issues with guitars, omg. There's lots of extra fuzz in guitar playing that you usually can't hear at normal speed but slowed down you can. It's just the nature of electric guitars. Step what feels right on 1x because that's what the ear can normally hear __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

02-19-2008, 11:19 PM	#7492
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread Slower music speed is better for syncing unless it's very inaudible. For example if it's an inconstant simple piano song, set it 0.2(write option)-0.3x and use assist tick. If you are used to it you can sync it with an accuracy of 5ms. BPM calculation from the wave profile of the music would be more accurate, needs some technique though. Last edited by jimerax; 02-19-2008 at 11:22 PM..

02-20-2008, 01:56 PM	#7494
stargroup100 behanjc & me are <3'ers Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,051	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread ok steppin da guitarz rule 1: make sure you step the main melody line, duh rule 2: if it's too easy/empty/not fun enough add the grace stuff found in between rule 3: don't finalize it if it only looks good. make sure it feels good too rule 4: wala u did u __________________ Rhythm Simulation Guide Comments, criticism, suggestions, contributions, etc. are all welcome. Piano Etude Demon Fire sheet music

02-21-2008, 08:58 AM	#7497
heyitsmee FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Israel Posts: 2,042	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread please someone step this "03-venetian_snares-oengyilkos_vasarnap-dps.mp3" __________________

02-21-2008, 09:01 AM	#7498
bluguerrilla FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Age: 43 Posts: 3,966	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread I'm not so sure that would make a good sim. Maybe an ok easy one... Edit: Is it just me or does Szerencsétlen sound like In Da Club or whatever? Editt: Integraation did make a good sim. We just need to finish working on it... __________________ Last edited by bluguerrilla; 02-21-2008 at 09:17 AM.. Reason: Öngyilkos Vasárnap - Ö snáp

02-21-2008, 09:22 AM	#7499
heyitsmee FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Israel Posts: 2,042	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread bluguerrilla your making venetian_snares Integraation? i can hear that track all day if you are making it i'm sure i could play it all day yesss oengyilkos_vasarnap - i think it can be something like that 4 3 minute file by zero (cruel something) a little repetitive but unique dont know sounds a little the same __________________

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