my views on how the american goverment traps lower class citizens.

[Cavernio]

Devonin: From my understanding, there're bartending courses, and then courses you need to take in order to serve alcohol, and they are 2 different courses. I wasn't talking about a bartending course, where you learn how to mix drinks.

I just gave an example of your straw manning, when you said schools provoke violence. Violence is possible in any social situation, and since we live in a society, we're going to have that possibility anywhere. If you want to be a part of most organized things, (which also allow tremendous opportunity through that organization), you're going to have to be a part of some sort of social group.
Furthermore, your poor example of violence is only good if you are forcing people to go to school, which, is NOT true, hence my other statement. They don't have to do that, they can be home schooled or self-taught.

Originally Posted by Kilroy_x

Many people would say no one knows what's best for them. These people include the world's Hitlers and Stalins. Why draw the line at any one age? People make bad decisions at every age. That doesn't justify restricting freedom.

Another instance of straw manning. You're comparing the public school system to Hitler. There's nothing inherently wrong in saying what's best for yourself and others. There's nothing wrong with the public school system because you're not forcing people to use it. Yes, I know that by having it at all, you're restricting other choices people have, (do you think that's coersion?) but restriction, on some level, will happen no matter what. For instance, Coodles would be more restricted if there weren't a public education system for him. I will restate again that people who like to hire someone with a piece of paper is not a product of the government.

To paint an idea in a poor light is perfectly valid, (making it a straw man), insomuch that it may be true. It doesn't, however, address any merits the problem might have, or include how often worst case scenarios occur versus better ones.

As far as the farmers who don't make money and then shut down, I don't really see that as a problem. Well, I sorta do, but not one which the US can rectify. Solving that would require no one to have a government of any type whatsoever, which is a silly idea, since you'd have to make people not organize their own groups and make their own currency, or hierachy, even when they'd want to.