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Old 08-13-2007, 09:27 PM   #1
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People always ask me what's the difference between different genres of heavy music, so I figured I'd explain it the best I can.

Hard Punk - Repeating Chord patterns (Major or Minor), Thrash drums, little to no half-timing, Often Scratchy Yelling for vocals, some singing, sometimes just intense talking. Often very basic musically. Lyrically, many bands are anti-governmental. Some are just whiny and bitch about everything. (Examples: Black flag, Circle Jerks, Against Me!)

Hardcore - Yelling vocals always, either high or low. Gang vocals often (when everyone sings) Sometimes they yell/growl, but if it doesn't have yelling vocals it's not real hardcore. Hardcore came from punk, so it has a lot of the same attributes. Thrash drums, Repeating Chord Patterns that tend to be minor intervals more often than punk. The biggest difference is the addition of the "Breakdown" which in old hardcore was either half timing or quarter timing the strum rhythm (and palm muting it), chord patterns, and drum beat. In new hardcore is doing the same thing, but dropping the chord pattern and playing the same note (mostly opens) with the same rhythm, still palm muting. Almost never any singing. Lyrics are often based around sticking up and staying loyal to friends and family, some bitch about everything around them, and some just talk about beating the **** out of kids at shows.(Examples: Old Style Hardcore - Kids Like Us, Comeback Kid, Guns Up, Blood for Blood. New Style Hardcore- First Blood, Stick to your Guns, Black my Heart, Hoods.)

Metal - Very broad genre, so I'll refer to recent metal. First genre (as far as I know) to use screaming vocals predominately. Fingering riffs are a lot more common, little to no strumming (although some do). A lot of Palm Muting, a lot of pentatonic scales, and a lot of high notes. Guitar solos very common. Minor or Major Intervals. Repeating notes often in the middle of riffs, but often simple rhythms. Drumming varies. Singing is common. Lyrics vary greatly from band to band, not a major part of identifying metal. Often Dark lyrics (Examples: Recent Metal - Trivium, Avenged Sevenfold, Lamb of God)

Nu-Metal - ****. (Examples - Slipknot, I don't even know any others. Most metal they play on the radio all the time.)

Death Metal - closely related to metal. Major differences are Lyrical content (Often have to do with death, many times metaphorically, yet still extremely dark), vocals (Almost always Deep Growls), and always minor intervals. (Examples: Morbid Angel, Decide, Amon Amarth)

Metalcore - Though originally it was a combination of Hardcore and Recent Metal (basically taking metal and adding "Breakdowns" I talked about before), It has become something different from both. Excessive pull-offs are commonly used on guitar, with mostly major intervals. Although double kick was used in metal before metalcore, metalcore really started the idea of using your feet predominantly as a drummer. Breakdowns are often much faster rhythms than hardcore and most riffs involve 8th note triplets. Screaming and a type of vocal used almost exclusively in metalcore which is quite literally a "Yell-Scream" Dark Lyrics almost all the time, some meaningful some not. (Examples: As I Lay Dying, Unearth, I Killed The Prom Queen.)

Grind/Slam - Extremely distorted guitars, often playing 4 notes repeating each one several times on a minor scale while the second guitar plays the 3rd or 5th higher. First genre to use "Blast Beats" which are extremely fast rhythms (Double time of thrash beats) hitting a symbol snare and bass at the same time. Drums often have effects and generally lead the music. Instead of "Breakdowns" they use "Slams" which are where you slowly move move up and down 3-5 notes on a chromatic scale while palm muting and slowing the drums down considerably. Vocals often have no lyrics, and are mostly inhaling vocals coming from the diaphragm, not the vocal chords. (Examples: We Came with Broken Teeth, Gore****, Gutteral Engorgement.)

Deathcore - My personal favorite of the Bunch, truly combining all elements of metalcore, death metal and Grind. Mainly taking the Metalcore panatonic scales, death metal deep growl, adding a new type of vocals often called "Shrills" which are a very raspy high screams, and adding the "Blast Beats". Lyrics are often dark, but a lot more meaningful than Death metal lyrics. (Examples: All Shall Perish, Despised Icon, Bring Me The Horizon)

Skacore - THE FLAMING TSUNAMIS MOTHER****ER!

I'll add more genres later.
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Old 08-13-2007, 09:30 PM   #2
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Old 08-13-2007, 09:32 PM   #3
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Wow. What a horrible rendition of metal.
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Old 08-13-2007, 09:35 PM   #4
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As I said, recent metal. If you can do it better, by all means do. I don't listen to recent metal that often, because I don't like it very much, but from what I've heard my description is pretty accurate.
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Old 08-13-2007, 09:57 PM   #5
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Skacore GO GO GO.
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:28 PM   #6
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Rofl, ok.

Skacore - THE FLAMING TSUNAMIS MOTHER****ER!

BTW, they came to my town the other week....****ing awesome, I had such a good time. They bought a keg for everyone there.
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Old 08-14-2007, 12:47 PM   #7
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yeah,i luv screamo metal,matel-core,heavy metal and a lil death metal.my fav band is bullet for my valintine they r metal-core.i also like skipknot they r heavy metal.bullets best single iz cries in vain.slipknots best iz blister exsists.i recremend listining 2 these bands.SO PRETTY MUCH I LUV METAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 08-14-2007, 12:49 PM   #8
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yeah,i luv screamo metal,matel-core,heavy metal and a lil death metal.my fav band is bullet for my valintine they r metal-core.i also like skipknot they r heavy metal.bullets best single iz cries in vain.slipknots best iz blister exsists.i recremend listining 2 these bands.SO PRETTY MUCH I LUV METAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You love to pose..I wouldn't ever call those ****ty bands metal.
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Ok, so a few questions. Is screamo basically another word for hardcore? And what exactly is the difference of hardcore and post-hardcore?
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Old 08-14-2007, 01:00 PM   #10
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screamo = scream + emo
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Much like with all other music, all genres of metal can be combined to form two that cover them all:

Good Metal, and Bad Metal.

I don't understand why, with metalheads particularly, people are avid about cutting a genre into a thousand pieces that all have very strict definitions, especially when they are usually differently interpretted by almost everyone.
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Wow. What a horrible rendition of metal.
Seriously.

Jesus Christ, that's wrong in so many ways. Like actually, I don't even know where to start. But here's a good start. http://www.metalcrypt.com/genresframe.php

Of course, this doesn't say anything about the punk/hardcore genres. But that's its own ballgame.
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Seriously.

Jesus Christ, that's wrong in so many ways. Like actually, I don't even know where to start. But here's a good start. http://www.metalcrypt.com/genresframe.php

Of course, this doesn't say anything about the punk/hardcore genres. But that's its own ballgame.
The description I used was to show what metalcore is really combining. When someone says metalcore is a combination of metal and hardcore, they don't mean "Traditional metal". They mean the kind of metal I described. Recent metal, and whether you think it's a bad description or not, the kind of music I'm talking about has all of the attributes I described. If you think you can write a better version of recent metal, by all means do. I'll add it in place of mine.


Oh and Tokzic, Honestly metal and hardcore are a lot different musically and metalcore now is a lot different than both. There are genres that don't really need to be there, but the ones I listed really are a lot different if you listen to all of them.

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Ok, so a few questions. Is screamo basically another word for hardcore? And what exactly is the difference of hardcore and post-hardcore?
Post-Hardcore and Screamo are kind of the same thing. Basically Pop-punk, with some screaming and a small (RECENT) metal influence. The only difference between the two is lyrical content. Post-Hardcore can be about anything. Screamo is always about relationships gone bad and how sad they are about it, or about how much they love the relationship/person they're in at the moment. Not all post-hardcore is screamo, all screamo is post-hardcore (as far as I know.)

Post-Hardcore just refers to the movement where artists wanted to bring singing back into hardcore, and basically making it "Happier" sounding by using all major chords and intervals.
(Examples: Post-hardcore - Yesterdays Rising, A Day To Remember. Screamo - Silverstein, From First to Last, Across Five Aprils.)
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Not to put a damper on your efforts, since it's cool that you put all this effort into clarifying things, but, why does it matter? People spend so much time classifying things, and get into arguments about what is what, when the band is just that, a band. I had no idea there were so many minor differences, and really, any of the really timeless bands won't carry any of those labels.

" Hard Punk - Repeating Chord patterns (Major or Minor)"

Ah, I don't believe that's exclusive tp or particular to that genre.
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I like the good metal bad metal breakdown, it's the most accurate of any split.
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Wait, what's the distinction? (sorry, had 2 maek teh rofl)
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Every year roughly 125 people in America are turned into bees this way."


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not bad for a brief description this is your opinion but it has some key points that are good and death metal ftw
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The description I used was to show what metalcore is really combining. When someone says metalcore is a combination of metal and hardcore, they don't mean "Traditional metal". They mean the kind of metal I described. Recent metal, and whether you think it's a bad description or not, the kind of music I'm talking about has all of the attributes I described. If you think you can write a better version of recent metal, by all means do. I'll add it in place of mine.
No, you're not getting it. Your term "recent metal" is a misnomer. Recent metal is just metal played recently! It shares the same attributes that metal has developed (cumulatively) over the last 30+ years. Metal all shares a common genealogical ancestry. It's all a direct lineage from those '70s bands, and that's what keeps it together.

So listing Trivium and Avenged Sevenfold as examples of recent metal just doesn't work. If metalcore began by combining metal and hardcore, then you can't use metalcore bands to describe metal so that you can later describe metalcore.

And as a sidenote, death metal is not unique, special or different enough to warrant a separation from the rest of metal. This is part of my point.
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Where the hell is my black metal. I dont see any mention of Bal-Sagoth, Celtic Frost, or Summoning. D:
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Not to put a damper on your efforts, since it's cool that you put all this effort into clarifying things, but, why does it matter? People spend so much time classifying things, and get into arguments about what is what, when the band is just that, a band. I had no idea there were so many minor differences, and really, any of the really timeless bands won't carry any of those labels.

" Hard Punk - Repeating Chord patterns (Major or Minor)"

Ah, I don't believe that's exclusive tp or particular to that genre.
Doesn't matter much, but I didn't make the genres someone else did. I was simply trying to clarify the difference between them.

And none of the things I said were exclusive to each genre, just that they are generally an attribute of each.

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No, you're not getting it. Your term "recent metal" is a misnomer. Recent metal is just metal played recently! It shares the same attributes that metal has developed (cumulatively) over the last 30+ years. Metal all shares a common genealogical ancestry. It's all a direct lineage from those '70s bands, and that's what keeps it together.

So listing Trivium and Avenged Sevenfold as examples of recent metal just doesn't work. If metalcore began by combining metal and hardcore, then you can't use metalcore bands to describe metal so that you can later describe metalcore.

And as a sidenote, death metal is not unique, special or different enough to warrant a separation from the rest of metal. This is part of my point.
Most people would consider Trivum and Avenged Sevenfold Metal, not metalcore. Still, that's not really my point. I disagree with you, it really doesn't share the same attributes, and if it does it's very little. Night Ranger sounds nothing like Slayer which sounds nothing like Trivium. Metal is to broad to describe the genre I'm talking about, and I simply don't know what else to call it. Most metal made recently has the attributes I listed, that's all.
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