Chrono Trigger Analysis - Page 2

lxDestinyxl · 08-5-2007, 07:13 AM

Helps a lot.

**smartdude1212** · 08-5-2007, 05:47 PM

I'm good at this game, I guess.
I'm nice, sometimes. ;D

But just because Rubix takes the time to write up an 'essay' which is half bull**** and half actual truth doesn't mean he's legit.

A wise user (lolol) told me that getting a perfperfmiss on a 0-framer is like getting perfperf on a 1-framer of 2-framer.

So if you think I'm being an ignorant ****ing asshole because he's beating all my scores (in a bs way, no less), then you're obviously the dumb ones, because I could care less if someone beats my score (although jealousy would kick in if Darkshark went and AAA'd Strangeprogram before me ;D).

But when someone goes and sups ALL OF FFR, in VERY FEW TRIES (even if he did refresh out every time he sucked, it obviously still didn't take him very long to get those "AAA's").

I'm not ignorant, arrogant, idiotic, self-centered, etc., but I do believe in defending myself.

ledwix · 08-5-2007, 06:15 PM

it'd be kool if rubix ended up going into the FFR hall of fame with an asterisk next to his name because of steroid allegations leading up to breaking shash's all-time AAA record of 755^__^. jk but it looks like his legacy is ending with a random poof into nothingness.

KA0Z R4VR · 08-5-2007, 06:30 PM

lol. wow. that was impressive. kudos to rubix. he nailed what he had to do. what he said makes sense, so now since most of the top [if not all] players have good PA/MA i wonder who is going to master this Perf-perf-miss techniqe

jugglinguy · 08-5-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KA0Z R4VR

lol. wow. that was impressive. kudos to rubix. he nailed what he had to do. what he said makes sense, so now since most of the top [if not all] players have good PA/MA i wonder who is going to master this Perf-perf-miss techniqe

Cheater's support system.

KA0Z R4VR · 08-5-2007, 06:36 PM

lol CSS? oh wow. thats funny, but sprite should be able to validify this theory. he even said he is getting 315 combo almost every time. but this has nothing to do with me/cheating. i think top players are going to master it

**Tasselfoot** · 08-5-2007, 06:37 PM

Shash and I just did some 0-frame and 1-frame testing in a crude file i made.

1. perf-perf-miss on a 0-framer IS possible. it's just the same thing as hitting a jack 2 frames apart. aka, at least as hard as good-perf on a 2-framer, but in all likelihood, harder. since the good-perf means you have to hit the good early, but then you have 3 full frames still to get the perf on the 2nd arrow. this, you have to either hit the 1st and 3rd frames of perf window or the 2nd and 3rd frames of the perf window... on the same note... same jack. pretty damn hard to do.

my coolest run on this (it was 0-framer, 0-framer, 1-framer, 2-framer) was 7-0-0-4-2. i'm assuming i got perf-perf-miss, perf-perf-miss, perf-miss-perf-boo, miss-perf-boo. nothing else makes sense....

2. you can actually hit MORE than 2 notes out of 1 0-framer. shash managed 5-5-3-2-19 when jackmashing doublesetup (that is 13 notes, for those counting at home). i got 11 in 1 try, and we discovered this in the 1st place because i was doing a non-double setup run and accidentially triple tapped one of the 0-framers... and wound up with 9 notes hit.

3. expect chrono to be removed from the game by the end of the day. i (and a few other well placed people) have been lobbying for its removal for months now. this really is the final straw... nothing to do with rubix, just the complete breakdown of the game when 0-framers are involved.

**Xception704** · 08-5-2007, 06:39 PM

Ooh ... this would be the second (first would be a temp. removal of Beethoven Virus) song to ever be removed from FFR, yes?

KA0Z R4VR · 08-5-2007, 06:39 PM

jugglinguy = pwnt by tassel. wow. this is settled. lets go play some ffr. wooo!

**Adamaja456** · 08-5-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tasselfoot

Shash and I just did some 0-frame and 1-frame testing in a crude file i made.

1. perf-perf-miss on a 0-framer IS possible. it's just the same thing as hitting a jack 2 frames apart. aka, at least as hard as good-perf on a 2-framer, but in all likelihood, harder. since the good-perf means you have to hit the good early, but then you have 3 full frames still to get the perf on the 2nd arrow. this, you have to either hit the 1st and 3rd frames of perf window or the 2nd and 3rd frames of the perf window... on the same note... same jack. pretty damn hard to do.

my coolest run on this (it was 0-framer, 0-framer, 1-framer, 2-framer) was 7-0-0-4-2. i'm assuming i got perf-perf-miss, perf-perf-miss, perf-miss-perf-boo, miss-perf-boo. nothing else makes sense....

2. you can actually hit MORE than 2 notes out of 1 0-framer. shash managed 5-5-3-2-19 when jackmashing doublesetup (that is 13 notes, for those counting at home). i got 11 in 1 try, and we discovered this in the 1st place because i was doing a non-double setup run and accidentially triple tapped one of the 0-framers... and wound up with 9 notes hit.

3. expect chrono to be removed from the game by the end of the day. i (and a few other well placed people) have been lobbying for its removal for months now. this really is the final straw... nothing to do with rubix, just the complete breakdown of the game when 0-framers are involved.

I think you're doing the right thing by removing that song. Too much can happen in it =/

**pastapiggy** · 08-5-2007, 06:42 PM

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expect chrono to be removed from the game by the end of the day

But chrono trigger is my favorite file ;_;.

KA0Z R4VR · 08-5-2007, 06:43 PM

yeah it just hit me 'how can u master a glitched song' because the outcome would be different and can vary by a long shot AKA scores are glitches themselves.

**jwcgator** · 08-5-2007, 06:44 PM

Uhh, what could actually happen by having 0 framers other then them being absolutly impossible to FC?

jugglinguy · 08-5-2007, 06:44 PM

FINALLY! Thank you tass!!!! Also take out party 4 u v2 unless you're racist against colorblind people (rofl)

**Xception704** · 08-5-2007, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KA0Z R4VR

jugglinguy = pwnt by tassel. wow. this is settled. lets go play some ffr. wooo!

Every post I see that is posted by you just reeks of your idiocy. What Tasselfoot posted has nothing to do with whether MrRubix cheated or not. What he posted merely proves that the score MrRubix got (whether it is legit or not) is POSSIBLE.

To be honest, if you want to maintain any dignity at all, I'd advise you to keep out of affairs involving cheaters as you yourself are under accusations as well.

Simply put, STFU and GTFO of these forums until you can learn to play legit.

kthxbai

ledwix · 08-5-2007, 06:52 PM

validify?

**rshadow8888** · 08-5-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jugglinguy

FINALLY! Thank you tass!!!! Also take out party 4 u v2 unless you're racist against colorblind people (rofl)

I would agree, but there is a skill token linked to that song.

jugglinguy · 08-5-2007, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Xception704

Every post I see that is posted by you just reeks of your idiocy. What Tasselfoot posted has nothing to do with whether MrRubix cheated or not. What he posted merely proves that the score MrRubix got (whether it is legit or not) is POSSIBLE.

To be honest, if you want to maintain any dignity at all, I'd advise you to keep out of affairs involving cheaters as you yourself are under accusations as well.

Simply put, STFU and GTFO of these forums until you can learn to play legit.

kthxbai

Dang you, I was halfway done with my message and then i realized this post which said everything.

Btw don't forget about you thinking smitty wants to cheat and hack rofl.

KA0Z R4VR · 08-5-2007, 06:54 PM

what i said was if he is accusing of rubix of cheating and I being a supporter, then Tassel comes out and proves that rubix didnt cheat i call that PWNT to the face. ur opinion is ur opinion. in all honesty i play legit. as u can tell i am not pulling AAAs on 65+ songs becuz i am way to lazy to calc. framers

**Tasselfoot** · 08-5-2007, 06:54 PM

racist and colorblind don't go together at all....

apart from that... basically... Rubix's score IS possible... but Chrono is also a level that is majorly FUBAR'd. for many many reasons. the most glaring is the 0-framer issue.

the level is now "disabled" until further notice.

08-5-2007, 07:13 AM	#21
lxDestinyxl FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,247	Re: Chrono Trigger Analysis Helps a lot. __________________

08-5-2007, 05:47 PM	#22
smartdude1212 2 is poo Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 34 Posts: 6,687	Re: Chrono Trigger Analysis I'm good at this game, I guess. I'm nice, sometimes. ;D But just because Rubix takes the time to write up an 'essay' which is half bull** and half actual truth doesn't mean he's legit. A wise user (lolol) told me that getting a perfperfmiss on a 0-framer is like getting perfperf on a 1-framer of 2-framer. So if you think I'm being an ignorant **ing asshole because he's beating all my scores (in a bs way, no less), then you're obviously the dumb ones, because I could care less if someone beats my score (although jealousy would kick in if Darkshark went and AAA'd Strangeprogram before me ;D). But when someone goes and sups ALL OF FFR, in VERY FEW TRIES (even if he did refresh out every time he sucked, it obviously still didn't take him very long to get those "AAA's"). I'm not ignorant, arrogant, idiotic, self-centered, etc., but I do believe in defending myself.

08-5-2007, 06:15 PM	#23
ledwix Giant Pi Operator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: California Age: 35 Posts: 2,878	Re: Chrono Trigger Analysis it'd be kool if rubix ended up going into the FFR hall of fame with an asterisk next to his name because of steroid allegations leading up to breaking shash's all-time AAA record of 755^__^. jk but it looks like his legacy is ending with a random poof into nothingness.

08-5-2007, 06:30 PM	#24
KA0Z R4VR FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Age: 34 Posts: 287	Re: Chrono Trigger Analysis lol. wow. that was impressive. kudos to rubix. he nailed what he had to do. what he said makes sense, so now since most of the top [if not all] players have good PA/MA i wonder who is going to master this Perf-perf-miss techniqe

08-5-2007, 06:36 PM	#26
KA0Z R4VR FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Age: 34 Posts: 287	Re: Chrono Trigger Analysis lol CSS? oh wow. thats funny, but sprite should be able to validify this theory. he even said he is getting 315 combo almost every time. but this has nothing to do with me/cheating. i think top players are going to master it

08-5-2007, 06:37 PM	#27
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 42 Posts: 25,185	Re: Chrono Trigger Analysis Shash and I just did some 0-frame and 1-frame testing in a crude file i made. 1. perf-perf-miss on a 0-framer IS possible. it's just the same thing as hitting a jack 2 frames apart. aka, at least as hard as good-perf on a 2-framer, but in all likelihood, harder. since the good-perf means you have to hit the good early, but then you have 3 full frames still to get the perf on the 2nd arrow. this, you have to either hit the 1st and 3rd frames of perf window or the 2nd and 3rd frames of the perf window... on the same note... same jack. pretty damn hard to do. my coolest run on this (it was 0-framer, 0-framer, 1-framer, 2-framer) was 7-0-0-4-2. i'm assuming i got perf-perf-miss, perf-perf-miss, perf-miss-perf-boo, miss-perf-boo. nothing else makes sense.... 2. you can actually hit MORE than 2 notes out of 1 0-framer. shash managed 5-5-3-2-19 when jackmashing doublesetup (that is 13 notes, for those counting at home). i got 11 in 1 try, and we discovered this in the 1st place because i was doing a non-double setup run and accidentially triple tapped one of the 0-framers... and wound up with 9 notes hit. 3. expect chrono to be removed from the game by the end of the day. i (and a few other well placed people) have been lobbying for its removal for months now. this really is the final straw... nothing to do with rubix, just the complete breakdown of the game when 0-framers are involved. __________________ RIP

08-5-2007, 06:39 PM	#28
Xception704 FFR Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Age: 34 Posts: 3,984	Re: Chrono Trigger Analysis Ooh ... this would be the second (first would be a temp. removal of Beethoven Virus) song to ever be removed from FFR, yes?

08-5-2007, 06:39 PM	#29
KA0Z R4VR FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Age: 34 Posts: 287	Re: Chrono Trigger Analysis jugglinguy = pwnt by tassel. wow. this is settled. lets go play some ffr. wooo!

08-5-2007, 06:43 PM	#32
KA0Z R4VR FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Age: 34 Posts: 287	Re: Chrono Trigger Analysis yeah it just hit me 'how can u master a glitched song' because the outcome would be different and can vary by a long shot AKA scores are glitches themselves.

08-5-2007, 06:44 PM	#33
jwcgator RIP ffrtokens Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 2,221	Re: Chrono Trigger Analysis Uhh, what could actually happen by having 0 framers other then them being absolutly impossible to FC?

08-5-2007, 06:52 PM	#36
ledwix Giant Pi Operator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: California Age: 35 Posts: 2,878	Re: Chrono Trigger Analysis validify?

08-5-2007, 06:54 PM	#39
KA0Z R4VR FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Age: 34 Posts: 287	Re: Chrono Trigger Analysis what i said was if he is accusing of rubix of cheating and I being a supporter, then Tassel comes out and proves that rubix didnt cheat i call that PWNT to the face. ur opinion is ur opinion. in all honesty i play legit. as u can tell i am not pulling AAAs on 65+ songs becuz i am way to lazy to calc. framers

08-5-2007, 06:54 PM	#40
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 42 Posts: 25,185	Re: Chrono Trigger Analysis racist and colorblind don't go together at all.... apart from that... basically... Rubix's score IS possible... but Chrono is also a level that is majorly FUBAR'd. for many many reasons. the most glaring is the 0-framer issue. the level is now "disabled" until further notice. __________________ RIP

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