Homosexual Marriage

[super kid]

John was the closet disciple to Jesus and he was his favorite.

[cathergirlhaley]

there was no favorite.

[cathergirlhaley]

and i think that the church made Mary Magdalen look like prostitute.Women were still lowly and the church did not like the fact that she was a deciple.I dont think she was any more than a deciple and a friend to Jesus

[devonin]

Before I start, lets just clear up in case anyone was mistaken about the words, the differences between apostles and disciples.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

In Christianity, the disciples were the students of Jesus during his ministry. Though often restricted to the Twelve Apostles, the gospels refer to varying numbers of disciples. In the Book of Acts, the Apostles themselves have disciples. The word disciple is used today as a way of self-identification for those who seek to learn from Christianity.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

The 'Twelve Apostles' were men that according to the Synoptic Gospels and Christian tradition, were chosen from among the disciples (students) of Jesus for a mission

So...all of the 12 apostles were disciples, but plenty of people mentioned and not mentioned in the bible were disciples...moving right along.

Originally Posted by super kid

John was the closet disciple to Jesus and he was his favorite.

Depends whom you read, and how you chose to interpret events. There's been a recent push among christian theologians to suggest that Judas Iscariot may have been the closest of the apostles to Jesus, which is why he was the one who was chosen to betray Christ, as it would appear much more convincing to the authorities.

However, there are also plenty of instances that could imply that John was his favourite, though Jesus did call Simon-Peter and Matthew first, and Peter is "the rock" on which Jesus claimed he would build his faith, so again, it depends on whom you read and how you choose to interpret it.

Originally Posted by cathergirlhaley

there was no favorite.

Having a favourite doesn't really seem especially in keeping with Jesus' stated beliefs, but when you are creating something like a faith, certain members of your ministry will be more important, take on more vital tasks and be trusted with greater responsibilities, so there's at least grounds for discussion even if "favourite" isn't the best choice of word.

Originally Posted by cathergirlhaley

and i think that the church made Mary Magdalen look like prostitute.Women were still lowly and the church did not like the fact that she was a deciple.I dont think she was any more than a deciple and a friend to Jesus

It's a commonly held opinion of many christians that Mary Magdalan was a prostitute, but this comes as much from mistranslation of terms as from some deliberate attempt to make women look bad.

It is generally assumed that the woman who anointed Jesus' feet (Who was identified as "a sinner") in Luke 7, and the woman named Mary who was the brother of Lazarus identified in John 11 were both the same Mary, who Pope Gregory I also identified as being the same Mary as Mary Magdalan. There's also some speculation that the woman brought before Jesus as an adulterer in John 8 (The bit with "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" in it) could also have been Mary, though the woman is never named.

She is not presented as a sinner/prostitute as a means of demeaning her. She is almost always presented in a very positive light, as the repentant sinner, to demonstrate that all may come to the proper life through Jesus, even if that carries with it a fairly implicit condemnation of her earlier life.

(You may have noticed that the bible and christianity are pretty big on repentance)

[SugarDemon1035]

This issue is especially tricky for me since I live in Massachusetts, one of the (I beleive) 2 states that allows gay marriage. I, personally, out of my religious beliefs, don't think that it should be allowed. However, my senator recently voted to not let the people vote on gay marriage, and this pisses me off very much. We should be allowed to vote on this very sensitive matter and what I consider to be a very personal issue and different opinion for each one of us. I do not descriminate against homosexuals and lesbians. I think that they should be allowed to have a legal union with the same benifits as marriage, just don't call it marriage, because it's not!

[Hollus]

Originally Posted by SugarDemon1035

I think that they should be allowed to have a legal union with the same benifits as marriage, just don't call it marriage, because it's not!

Why not? Its the same as heterosexual marriage, just two people who love each other. Homosexual or heterosexual; it doesn't affect the love and the connection they share. Your personal/religious beliefs shouldn't infringe on the rights of others.

[StepmaniaGod6969]

gay marraige should not be allowed...gayness is gay...all gay people should die...and when they die...they shall go to HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hollus]

Originally Posted by StepmaniaGod6969

gay marraige should not be allowed...gayness is gay...all gay people should die...and when they die...they shall go to HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't think that terrorists, global warming or nuclear weapons are the biggest problems in the world; its this kind of generally accepted, unnoticed crap that's the problem. There's nothing wrong with two people loving each other, regardless of sex. Either support your opinion or get out of the critical thinking forum.

(P.S. Homosexuals don't even affect you at all. Why do you even care?)

[GuidoHunter]

Originally Posted by StepmaniaGod6969

gay marraige should not be allowed...gayness is gay...all gay people should die...and when they die...they shall go to HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bye.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[sumkewlgurl]

^ ditto.

[Shihen22]

ROFL'D.....this made my night.

Anyhow, I personally think that gay marriage would be ok because people should have full freedom in the world, despite if God does not want to give them that freedom.

[Wyde]

Originally Posted by SugarDemon1035

I do not descriminate against homosexuals and lesbians. I think that they should be allowed to have a legal union with the same benifits as marriage, just don't call it marriage, because it's not!

Personally, I do think this is a fairly respectable opinion. But I just want to put thoughts on the table here. I believe society has managed to transform how marriage comes about and between whom. Personally, I doubt the church would have allowed atheists to marry a long time ago, yet now they do. Though this may still be the case in some places, religious beliefs often do not matter for many marriages today. Another thing that rarely happened but happens often now is divorce. It was likely considered unthinkable back then, but nowadays it's incredibly common.

The point I'm trying to make is that those instituting marriage have let a number of things slide since marriage came about, but homosexual marriage? Never, most seem to be saying. Hasn't the original form of marriage been bended and shaped enough for it to not matter anymore? This form of seemingly random "let that slide but not that" I find confuzzling. It seems to me like marriage is merely a civil union that just doesn't allow certain people.

Originally Posted by StepmaniaGod6969

gayness is gay...

True.

Originally Posted by Shihen22

I personally think that gay marriage would be ok because people should have full freedom in the world, despite if God does not want to give them that freedom.

Well as far as I know, he gave it to us anyway. I wouldn't have thought God has had anything to do with taking away freedoms. Blame those in power at the moment. They're making the laws.

[psychopete]

Originally Posted by SugarDemon1035

This issue is especially tricky for me since I live in Massachusetts, one of the (I beleive) 2 states that allows gay marriage. I, personally, out of my religious beliefs, don't think that it should be allowed. However, my senator recently voted to not let the people vote on gay marriage, and this pisses me off very much. We should be allowed to vote on this very sensitive matter and what I consider to be a very personal issue and different opinion for each one of us. I do not descriminate against homosexuals and lesbians. I think that they should be allowed to have a legal union with the same benifits as marriage, just don't call it marriage, because it's not!

It most certainly is. Just because you don't believe it to be doesn't mean it isn't. You say you would want us to have a legal union with the same benefits as marriage but not call it marriage? Isn't that discrimination, as well?

Besides, letting people vote on it would just allow religion to enter politics even more.

[Master_of_the_Faster]

Originally Posted by Shihen22

ROFL'D.....this made my night.

Anyhow, I personally think that gay marriage would be ok because people should have full freedom in the world, despite if God does not want to give them that freedom.

Exactly! Forget God! If God is against life, liberty, or property (unless justified[like if all gay people are evil which I very highly doubt]), then I would only assume that God is really evil.

Edit:

Originally Posted by StepmaniaGod6969

gay marraige should not be allowed...gayness is gay...all gay people should die...and when they die...they shall go to HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What you define as Hell is probably what I would define as a heaven. My heaven is a place where people honor other's life, liberty, and property without using their liberty to reduce other's life, liberty, or property unless there is a justified cause. This heaven could be a physical place, but as it remains right now, it only defines the way I feel and just hypothetical in regards to the reality that everyone shares.

[ToshX]

Originally Posted by Hollus

Why not? Its the same as heterosexual marriage, just two people who love each other. Homosexual or heterosexual; it doesn't affect the love and the connection they share. Your personal/religious beliefs shouldn't infringe on the rights of others.

I'm pretty sure it is, by definition, between a man and a woman, but if that cannot be change, something of similar importance should be given to gay people who want to be able to do something similar.

[devonin]

I'm pretty sure it is, by definition, between a man and a woman

Well, given that the definition was invented by humans, it isn't like it appeals to some objective universal definition that exists outside humanity.

Up until the 1980s, many medical journals defined homosexuality as a mental disorder...definitions change all the time.

[TwilightPrincess]

I want to have my say in on this.

Homosexual marriage is misunderstood. People have the right to choose their sexuality. Whether it be gay, lesbian, hetro, etc... They have the right to be any one.

I do not understand why it is so wrong. In my country (canada), it has been the talk of the government for years.

People should be more understanding to this.

Cheers,
Daniel

[animeparadise]

I don't see anything wrong with gay, bi, lesbo or anything??

The only thing I'm against is getting a sex change.. You were born to be either a boy or a girl and shouldn't be changed. If you were suppose to be a boy you would be a boy, if you were suppose to be a girl then you would be a girl ^_^

To tell the truth I'm bi and I don't care haha.
But I don't see myself marrying a guy 0_0

[devonin]

People have the right to choose their sexuality.

Um...isn't half the point that people don't actually -choose- that they are instead -born- that way?

[Kilroy_x]

Originally Posted by animeparadise

The only thing I'm against is getting a sex change.. You were born to be eiather a boy or a girl and shouldn't be changed. ^_^

Why?