MapleStory

[ToshX]

Originally Posted by Fimbulvetr

And with what kind of mage do u plan to do over 4.2 k with?

And if youre talking funded hunters. My lv 46 hunter can hit up to 3.1k max

I doubt a fire mage lv 61 will outdamage a 61 hunter, period.

I'm level 55 gaining over 100 damage per level and I can hit over 3,600-3,800 max :/ I think it's very fair to say that I will have 4,200 by then.

Also, I haven't scrolled by cape or overall yet. Cape will give me a bonus of 6-8~ int and overall will give me a bonus of a lot, and we haven't even gotten to scrolling earrings with 60%'s yet.

Originally Posted by Afrobean

Maple Stars are not infinite. Check your sources before accusing me of such a thing.

They were in SEA. They were modified in GMS to only have 800, though(HS.net JUST updated this today). So they're pretty much Kumbis but they come in bunches of 800 instead of 500.

[Afrobean]

Hi.

A lukless fizard will have nearly as high max damage as you (or even higher if they have really good gear), but they'll also have MUCH higher min damage.

In short, they'll get out more damage per second than you. On top of that, they can teleport and shoot in close range-- two things that hold archers down being their lack of mobility and their inability to deal damage in close range.

[ckj846]

Archers SUCK in 2nd job. Only thing that keeps them from being impossible to train is mob skills, which aren't that great if you can't control mobs. 3rd job archers are much better. We never have completely stable damage, compared to other classes, but we are the best at manipulating monsters to our will and sniping. Archers are nowhere near the strongest, fastest, or the most stable. We are in the middle and have skills to back it all up.

4th job is a different story =]

O_o

[Afrobean]

Speaking of 4th job, you guys think they'll change around those full screen mage skills? They don't seem to work entirely the way they were probably designed to.

[ToshX]

Full screen mage skills?

I really ought to go read up on 4th job sometime. But I'm so far away right now that it doesn't matter. Right now I just need to focus on the excitement of 3rd job.

[Xception704]

Yay ... I got a Scorpio and a Soul Searcher from training for a few hours today ... I really want a lvl 70 Maple hat though ... anyone lucky enough to get one of those?

I've seen so many videos of people kicking *ss with Genesis that I'm going to be majorly disappointed if they mess with it.

[Hwscottsmcgram]

I need a white rose...anyone gonna give it too me for 60K

[B0NK]

[Fimbulvetr]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

Hi.

A lukless fizard will have nearly as high max damage as you (or even higher if they have really good gear), but they'll also have MUCH higher min damage.

In short, they'll get out more damage per second than you. On top of that, they can teleport and shoot in close range-- two things that hold archers down being their lack of mobility and their inability to deal damage in close range.

You can't compare a lukless fire wizard to a normal hunter, due to the fact that a strless hunter (especially after lv 65) at would destroy a lukless fire mage in damage. Also, Fire wizards HAVE to train in El Fire whereas archers are more versatile in training spots. Fire Arrow is a slower skill than double shot with booster by far, with far less range. A hunter who mastered jump arrow bombing can take out mobs far faster than a fire mage.

Jump shooting and Arrow Bomb's stun also allows a hunter to avoid swinging their bow most of the time.

[All_That_Chaz]

Yay, I finally got the silly game to work. Forgive me for not reading 660 or so pages to see what server you guys are on, are you still on bera like it said in the beginning?

My character:
Chazzador
Bowman level 11
str: 20 (i'm saving my money (and arrows) on buying a bow until at least level 15)
dex: 46
int: 4
luk: 5

[ToshX]

Originally Posted by Fimbulvetr

You can't compare a lukless fire wizard to a normal hunter, due to the fact that a strless hunter (especially after lv 65) at would destroy a lukless fire mage in damage. Also, Fire wizards HAVE to train in El Fire whereas archers are more versatile in training spots. Fire Arrow is a slower skill than double shot with booster by far, with far less range. A hunter who mastered jump arrow bombing can take out mobs far faster than a fire mage.

Jump shooting and Arrow Bomb's stun also allows a hunter to avoid swinging their bow most of the time.

If you're so confident, try to outlevel me when we're about the same level. We'll have a contest to see who levels first. I mean I'm not saying this in an insulting way, but rather a friendly challenge. It will be fun.

Originally Posted by All_That_Chaz

are you still on bera like it said in the beginning?

Yeah.
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Everyone, if you can get a present buyer buying for 3mil, always sell your presents. Most people will only buy for 1mil, but there are a lot who will buy for 3 if you look hard enough.

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by Fimbulvetr

You can't compare a lukless fire wizard to a normal hunter, due to the fact that a strless hunter (especially after lv 65) at would destroy a lukless fire mage in damage.

Do you have any idea how mastery and crits affect average damage output? I'll try to make it simple for you right here:

Archers will have a high maximum damage, but their min will be insanely low. Recall a bit back where I called the archer on his min damage? He posted a hit of 4200. His minimum is 1300. And not only that, but he only gets a crit 40% of the time (double shot levels out damage a bit, but that's a whole other thing) and of those 60% normal hits, he could end up hitting as low as 60% of his normal attack.

A magician will NEVER EVER EVER attack for less than 60% of their maximum (unless it's some other ****ty skill I'm unaware of with super crappy mastery or if the skill is not maxed yet).

Now, if you take one character with a max of 3000 and a min of 2400 and compare it to another character with max 4000 and a min of 1200, who do you think does the most damage? Could be close, yes... but that's not a fair comparison. But then again... pull the averages: 2400 and 2600. Hmm... so if the archer gets lucky he'll put out more damage and if he's unlucky he'll do less. The magician doesn't count on luck at all and does decent damage 100% of the time. On top of this, the magician should be moving WAY faster than the archer... archers just ****ing stand there while magicians teleport around faster than anyone can move even with haste. And one more thing, any magician worth their weight should be able to hit nearly as hard (or harder) as (than) an archer of the same level's maximum hit I would think.

Also, Fire wizards HAVE to train in El Fire whereas archers are more versatile in training spots.

OH MY ****ING GOD MAGES FIGHT WHERE THEY HAVE ELEMENTAL ADVANTAGE THIS TOTALLY ****ING SUCKS OH WAIT NEVER MIND IT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL ESPECIALLY SINCE THINGS THAT MAGES FIGHT IN NATH DROP REALLY GOOD SCROLLS OR STARS LOL

Fire Arrow is a slower skill than double shot with booster by far, with far less range.

I'd say that teleport more than makes up for the fact that magician doesn't get booster until 3rd job. As for the range thing: is it TRULY less range, or is it just that archers get a passive skill in 1st job that increases the default range.

A hunter who mastered jump arrow bombing can take out mobs far faster than a fire mage.

Arrow bomb sucks. Splash damage is ****ing ridiculous. Listen... I'm used to heal with it's 30% mastery and splash style of damaging and even I would say that Arrow Bomb sucks. The only good thing about Arrow Bomb is that it stuns, since damage is crap.

Jump shooting and Arrow Bomb's stun also allows a hunter to avoid swinging their bow most of the time.

Um... no. No matter how good you are jump shooting with an archer, you can't fire them off like jump casts for lucky7. The way L7 works is you throw while you're in your jump and thus you can literally throw stars while staring a monster right in the face (assuming you can time it correctly). An archer has to shoot at the base of their jump, which means that if the monster is in front of them already, they'll be wacking the monster with their bow. Arrow Bomb obviously does increase your mob control, so I'll give you that, but jump shooting wouldn't do **** besides increase your speed SLIGHTLY.

[gonzo4life44]

So ive emailed nexon about my problem about 5 times now.

still nothing...

im about to give up hope

[Xception704]

I don't know what's the problem gonzo, but I know that I hate your avatar ... rofl.

[MagicCarpetRide]

Originally Posted by ToshX

What do you like about archers? I mean they'll get really awesome in about 9 levels, but still.

Why did you answer your question?

[ToshX]

I didn't.

They're terribly boring in 2nd job(to me, at least). I don't see why he likes them so much there. I mean if he were in 3rd job, I'd understand. But until then, he's just assuming he'll like it...

Levelled to 56.



Just kidding, I had 8 in the picture :/ Picture's shopped.

[All_That_Chaz]

is there an ffr guild? i'd love to join.

[ToshX]

Yeah, it's called XQsite.

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by ToshX

Yeah, it's called XQsite.

Actually, only the X is capitalized.

And if you hack, used to hack, or plan on hacking, don't bother. We will find out and we will kick you out. If not, you can contact myself (AfrobeanMage), Jason (banditcom), bonk (hevioso)... there are some others but you either won't know who they are at all or they aren't on so much these days.

[lightning_blade]

I think that thiefs are too muchmoney to mangae,,honestly a black Pao it like 30 K ...ZOMg