Homosexual Marriage

[MRTL_mrclean17]

The bible seems to condemn everything I love: masturbation, overeating, and women at certain points in their menstrual cycle...

[soulofcerberus]

Originally Posted by MRTL_mrclean17

The bible seems to condemn everything I love: masturbation, overeating, and women at certain points in their menstrual cycle...

ROFL yea it does. what book do I hate the most? Probably Leviticus, and after that Great Expectations.

And I still think that homosexual marriage is not the best (to get back on the subject)

However if it makes someone happy than sure go ahead.

[MRTL_mrclean17]

Originally Posted by soulofcerberus

And I still think that homosexual marriage is not the best (to get back on the subject)

Meh, this thread wasn't going anywhere anyway, just a repetition of the very same arguments over and over with no headway made...

[Wootsicle]

I still think it's strange... did God write the bible?
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[Chrissi]

Originally Posted by Wootsicle

I still think it's strange... did God write the bible?
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Ugh. You obviously know nothing. If you want to debate, go look up some factual information first. We aren't a source of facts but ideas.

[MRTL_mrclean17]

Originally Posted by Wootsicle

I still think it's strange... did God write the bible?
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Of course he wrote the Bible! He also invented the tricycle and started the yoga trend!

[Kamunt]

"INJECTION OF TEXT" - MvM a.k.a. Kamunt Kurush feat. Bad Religion & Butthole Surfers

Originally Posted by soulofcerberus

Yes Love is in the air. What a perfect thread for it too. Let's get married :P.

Aw, totally. I'll pick out the DJ if you pick out the wedding theme.

Originally Posted by Lamoc

In most countrys homosexuals are arrested and even put to death for loving the same sex.

lolproovit. I'm pretty sure that there are more people put to death in countries where a few people decide they have the right to speak out against/criticize/make fun of their government. Not that I don't think this doesn't happen in more than a handful of countries, I know for a fact that it does.

Originally Posted by u84

Yes, hating them is not right, but they are defying God.

Which God? The Christian God, or the Jewish/Christian/Muslim God? Also, I think you have to be consciously rebelling against something for it to count as "defiance". Like in The Sound and the Fury, when Caddy agrees to the double-suicide pact with Quentin. Quentin wanted to commit suicide for other reasons, but for Caddy it was in order to defy their father in the ultimate way possible. If she didn't have this seething, festering hatred within her, then she would never have wanted to kill herself in the first place. Same goes with all other teenagers who "do something different because they can", they are all rebelling against society, their parents, conformity, etc. on purpose. If they do something that they do without this rebellious intent, then it's not defiance because that's not their purpose. Did that make sense, or was I once again just rambling nonsensically?

Originally Posted by psychopete

Quoted for truth.

QFT*2.

And awhile ago, someone posted that a straight person can become gay, but not vice-versa. Not true. You're born gay, it just takes people certain amounts of time before they realize it.

That was probably me. Now without the extreme sarcasm, yes I do believe it true that a straight person can "become" "crooked", so to speak. But in doing so, they will not and never will be actually homo-/bisexual. One can trick themselves into thinking that one is attracted to those of the same sex, but the end result is always the same: they WILL eventually realize that they cannot keep fooling themselves into thinking that they like fantasizing about taking it up the tailhole as much as they like fantasizing about giving it up the tailhole of Jessica Simpson. Or [insert attractive male superstar here], if they're a girl. You just can't force yourself to truly be attracted to the same sex, and also to the opposite sex. Some things just naturally "feel right" to people: if it happens to be liking the same sex, then that's how it goes. You were born that way. Those are the true homo- and bisexuals, when that's what comes naturally to them.

Originally Posted by Chrissi

I am pretty sure almost nobody CHOOSES to be gay. Also, I don't think there is any "gay" gene.

I'd like to say that there is a lot of evidence for social situations being the cause of people being gay. It doesn't mean it's their fault, or that it was a choice. It just means that being gay is something that presents itself as a manifestation of one's general preference and social situation.

Think of it like this: Did a person who likes video games choose to like video games? No. Were they BORN liking video games? Probably not. So they didn't choose it and they weren't born with it. They just do. It's just them. And that's the way I view gays. It's a cultural, social, personal phenomenon, not a choice nor an inborn trait.

That was an excellent post, Chrissi. You bring up a very good point(s) there. I can directly relate to your analogy, because I've always loved video games and computers. I was already using a computer when I was 3 years old in my 1st-year Preschool class, helping the other kids figure things out on the simple games we had. Me and my mother both got an original Game Boy for Christmas when I was 5 or 6-ish, and when I was 6, Dad bought me an NES or a Genesis from our neighborhood garage sale. (Whichever one he didn't by came shortly thereafter, also from our neighborhood garage sale.) I just always had a natural attraction (tee-hee) to video games. Was it forced upon me? No. Did I choose to like them? No. Doubt I was born that way, either. I understand what you mean, and I think that that makes complete and perfect sense. We should add your post to Wikipedia, then have it become accepted as true once either The View or The Daily Show/The Colbert Report does a little stint about it.

Originally Posted by hayatewillown

You couldn't get a girl because your lazy. Your not born gay, you choose. You were so lazy, you stopped trying to get a girl. The only choice was to be gay.

This is not cool. And yes, I know I shouldn't determin this, but did you think that you were really going to make it in the real word when you grew up? You need to work for what you want. Not be lazy.
"Ohh but I tried soo hard", BS!!!! Your a lazy freak!

...What the hell is the matter with you? "You were so lazy, you stopped trying to get a girl"? "The only choice was to by gay"?! Are you out of your mind? I'm sorry, but when an at least semi-intellectual debate is interrupted by someone trying to make it a flaming pit of hellish destruction, I just can't stand for that. What you said is completely unacceptable speech anywhere. Your very last "sentence" sums up your entire intelligence level, clearly. It was grammatically incorrect, unsupported and unintelligible. The English language smacks you for 3128 damage. Please keep the idiocity out of our Critical Thinking forum. In fact, keep it out of FFR entirely. We'd all appreciate it. Lastly, what was that about "making it in the real word" you typed there? With spelling and grammar like that, I don't think you'd make it in the "real word", either, my friend.

Originally Posted by Chrissi

Actually the reason they say that is because in the bible it says not to "lie with another man" as you do with a woman.

The bible does condemn homosexuality.

However, that's not saying much, as it also condemns just about everything else...

Not true. It doesn't condemn selling your daughter/wife as a sex slave in order to pay off debts, or stoning a woman to death. Or forcing a woman to be a homemaker. Or....does it allow a husband to beat his wife? I forget now and then.

[MRTL_mrclean17]

I'm sorry to get off topic again, but if you look below at the "similar threads" area, what the hell does the picture of Dorian Grey have to do with Homosexual marriage? Or airsoft guns for that matter?

[evilcowgod]

Originally Posted by u84

Ok, you are acting in sever ignorance. One, I believe what The Bible says because it was not man who wrote it, but God who wrote it through men. And it really doesn't matter if you went and read every book on every religion.
If you read The Bible and actually understood it, then you would have read that gayness is a sin in the eyes of God.

Originally Posted by evilcowgod View Post
If you are born gay, being gay wouldn't defy God. =|

Wrong. You are not born gay. God made everyone without sin, and then we became sinful afterwards. Gayness is a sin to the Lord and he would not make anything in sin. The Bible says that God made man in his own image, so if God looks down on gayness and isn't gay, then he did not make anyone to be gay. People who are gay turn gay later in life.

If god created men in his own image, and if it's been proven that you are born gay, then I think god must be gay. Call me blasphemous, but i'm just using common sense here.

[Draigun]

Originally Posted by hayatewillown

You couldn't get a girl because your lazy.

I never WANTED a girl. In fact, I actually came OUT because a girl asked me out and I just couldn't lie to her anymore.

Originally Posted by hayatewillown

Your not born gay, you choose.

You obviously didn't read any of my posts. Please read them again until you fully understand them. (That is, if you don't get [at least] a two week ban, first.)

Originally Posted by hayatewillown

You were so lazy, you stopped trying to get a girl. The only choice was to be gay.

See Quote #1.

Originally Posted by hayatewillown

This is also proven in your statement " living with my mother ".
This is not cool. And yes, I know I shouldn't determin this, but did you think that you were really going to make it in the real word when you grew up?

A) Considering I didn't have a choice of who I lived/live with, this comment is already null and void. But also..

B) I'm already making it in the real world, dumbass. I'm top five percent in my senior class, a total of 1290 on the SAT's (provided by my ability to distinguish between "your" and "you're"), and I've been accepted into a fairly competitive college. I hold a part-time job in between school work, and I'm currently in a relationship. Good job.

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I'm sorry for derailing this topic so heavily, but that was a personal bash that was NOT called for in any way. I'm done.

[soulofcerberus]

Originally Posted by Draigun

and I'm currently in a relationship

is he hawt? :P

and also Kamunt. Very nice rant. Funny too.


Kamunt---- you can pick the DJ but the song is Toxic by our favorite bald chick


:P

[Reach]

Your not born gay, you choose

Bend over and suck my dick right now then, since apparently you can just choose what sexuality you want to be. I'm going to assume you're a guy, but if you're not then you know what you have to do 8)

Until you can do that, shut up.

[psychopete]

Originally Posted by Draigun

I'm sorry for derailing this topic so heavily, but that was a personal bash that was NOT called for in any way. I'm done.

No need to apologize, this is Critical Thinking, not The Garbage Bin. They had no right.

And let's get back on topic, shall we?

Oh, right, get the religion out of my politics so we can properly discuss this instead of filling this thread with Bible hoo-ha.

[tha Guardians]

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

Prove it. I've taken a strong "we just plain don't know" stance with the cause of homosexuality, mainly because we can't be certain at all.



No, not at all. This country was meant to abstain from establishment.



Wrong again.



Third time's a charm. Oh, wait, no. Come back when you have a reason to say that.



Do you know anything about Christianity? Does the Bible say "Thou can't be attracted to another dude?" NO! It says, to paraphrase, "Don't have sex with other dudes." The latter is VERY MUCH something that they can help.



Oh, but my country's stances and policies do indeed affect me, so I have every right to take issue with it.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

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Originally Posted by devonin

I love how you defend homosexuality but define what it is in loaded terms with a distinct "It's bad, wrong, or otherwise a screw-up" language.

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Originally Posted by Silvuh

That's why Christianity is not the official religion of the USA. Some people base their views on their religious beliefs. Say a Christian majority voted for a proposition to not recognize any kind of homosexual marriage or civil union... That doesn't mean the church isn't separate from the state; it means that the majority vote counted.

I've edited my post to include my response and to further detail my personal beliefs.


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Originally Posted by tha Guardians

1.) Many of you think otherwise, but homosexuality is NOT a choice. It a hormonal imbalance or a chromosone malfunction at birth. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but you can't simply decide one day, 'Oh, I think I'm gonna start liking guys now'.

2.) Gays are people, same as we. The only reason they don't have the right to marriage is that everyone gets to vote for them, and control their lives, as if a slave.

3.) Some people say "gay marriage is unconstitutional", or, "gay marriage is against the Bible". Well, gay marriage IS against the Bible, but A.) not everyone believes in the Bible, and most don't believe every single detail in it, and B.) this country was intended in the Constitution to seperate state and religion, and personally, I STRONGLY feel it is much better that way. Otherwise, there would be a great chance for a civil war, and the US dividing. Religion is the main cause of war, and in my opinion, it's just plain stupid to believe everything about a religion and base your life on it. (If I told you that God was a salamander and you believed me, and I also said that he wanted all the women to die, would you oppose women?) Gays that do believe in the Bible are in a pickle, because they can't help the way they are, and it's not something that's easily fixed if at all. I know personally someone who is ashamed of being gay, and although they can't help it, they're looked down upon, and will be ridiculed the rest of their life because of it. Often they've had thoughts of suicide, and being a God loving person, they believe they must hide the way they are, and never go for anyone, regardless of love.

4.) This is called a 'democracy', which means 'free government'. If we take away the right of marriage from gays, what's the difference from taking black peoples' rights to vote, or womens' right to learn?

5.) It's not you or your life, so get over it. You may oppose Gay marriage, but the Constitution supports it, and the Bible doesn't say anywhere that gays don't have a right to marriage. Some of you may still disagree, but my main point is that everyone should have equal rights, and if a single person doesn't have a right to marriage, then what's keeping people from sticking them on a farm and whipping them? I believe the constitution should state that whomever has an oppurtunity to pertain to the Constitution should take full advantage and have equal rights as any other citizen. Only criminals should have limited Constitutional rights.

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Religion has been around since the dawn of man. Until just over 2000 years ago, Christianity hadn't been heard of by a single person, but there was still religion much further back. Why are you a Christian? If your parents raised you as Islamic and you lived in an Islam-based society, but you had still heard of Christianity, would you still be a Christian instead?

Many people are Christian, and I don't mean to offend anyone, because they were raised to live a Christian life, and were taught to believe everything in the Bible and follow it without questions. The United States today accepts Christianity and depends on it as their main religion, but often ignores or disapproves of other religions, or non-religious groups. If it was the other way around, the percentages would change.

Another main reason people believe in religion is that it offers them hope. I'm all for religion when it doesn't affects one's judgement or ability to see things from a different perspective.
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*What man in here is against two homosexual men getting married, but fully accepts two hot lesbians getting married?

I can almost bet half of the guys in here 'against homosexual marriage' are full-on hypocrites.

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Originally Posted by hayatewillown

It should not be allowed, and this is for a fact.

Christianity was the first religeon, and now that we have biased people in our country, we now have mixed religions.

It's the law of god that there is no homosexuality.

1.) You misspelled religion and you didn't capitalize God. You're going to hell =)

2.) There has been religion since the dawn of man. It may have not been as organized, but there has always been religion.

3.) People have always biased every religion, but you're complaining about a very small problem.

4.) The Bible was written by humans, and not every single little detail is to be taken so strongly and literally. God may not like homosexuality, but he also doesn't like stealing. Tell me that you've never stolen a single thing in your life, honestly.

Everyone is full of sin and commits sin, regardless of the Bible. Not everything in the Bible is some huge testament.

P.S., http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fact



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Originally Posted by hayatewillown

Your right. God does

1.) Not everyone believes in God or every detail in the Bible, or stresses it so significantly (if you can understand that).

2.) There's always going to be sin, and regardless of whether God will smite you for it, people will always get married.

What if the Bible said 'Thou shall not breathe'? You wouldn't know of this as a baby, and therefore, you would already have sinned and be cast into the fiery depths of hell, right?
Every minute you lived after that would be another minute of sin, but God, as an understanding superior, wouldn't throw you in hell for something beyond the boundary of your natural control, would He?

Homosexuality is not a choice. For example, if your straight, go turn gay. No, seriously, be gay right now. Why won't you do it?... because you're not attracted to the same sex. Now tell a gay person to turn straight. They can't... it's beyond their control. They can hide it and resist urge, but they can never turn themselves straight or have someone turn them straight.

*Many people are born homosexual. Some people say it's not natural, but God made them that way, right?*


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Originally Posted by DARKSAMUS

So you must be gay? This site wasn't meant for fags.

I'm defending homosexuals, and I'm straight. Lamoc gave no indication of being homosexual, and what you said was very homophobic. Jesus said "Love thy neighbor and love thy enemy". What you said was on behalf of your own intolerance and ignorance, and you have no part in any intellecually stimulating conversation due to your lack of ability to comprehend important matters and see from a different perspective. You are a horrible person, and you don't deserve the freedom to the words you speak without knowledge of what consequences they bring.


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Originally Posted by u84

You are not born gay... People who are gay turn gay later in life.

1.) I first started having sexual thoughts about girls when I was almost 2. Dreams were included, and sexual curiosity came often. I believe I was born heterosexual and remained that way, but what's to say that some people aren't born gay? You say God creates everyone without sin, which may be stated in the Bible, but do you follow kosher of the Old Testament? I highly doubt you do, probably because you either don't want to follow that part of the Bible, but most likely because you don't believe it. Am I correct?

Not every single detail in the Bible is true--some are fables to teach a moral and some are hyperboles. What makes you think that everything in the Bible is true, when not even the Pope follows it strictly to the very detail?

Back on subject, God never said he looked down on being homosexual, no questions asked; the Bible states that he disapproves of homosexual action and lack of self-discipline towards one's homosexuality.

To make another point, the Bible was written about 2000 years ago. What's to say that the population got out of hand, and that it was God's intention to have homosexuality, or that he wanted a different lifestyle for some, to test their beliefs and discipline?

2.) Unless you're gay, how do you expect to know?


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Originally Posted by Chrissi

I'd like to comment on the "born gay" thing.

People seem to present a false dichotomy on being gay: either you were born gay and thus it wasn't a choice, or you develop gayness later on in life and it was by choice. I am pretty sure almost nobody CHOOSES to be gay. Also, I don't think there is any "gay" gene.

I'd like to say that there is a lot of evidence for social situations being the cause of people being gay. It doesn't mean it's their fault, or that it was a choice. It just means that being gay is something that presents itself as a manifestation of one's general preference and social situation.

Think of it like this: Did a person who likes video games choose to like video games? No. Were they BORN liking video games? Probably not. So they didn't choose it and they weren't born with it. They just do. It's just them. And that's the way I view gays. It's a cultural, social, personal phenomenon, not a choice nor an inborn trait.

I disagree. I don't believe that one's social environment affects one's sexual preference, and I don't believe that video games are a good analogy for sexual preference.

From when I was born through 5th grade, everyone I knew was all "You're gay! You ***! Com'on guys, let's throw rocks at him," but, from 6th to 8th everyone was experimenting with the same sex, calling themselves gay and bisexual, but into high school, some people discovered they were gay or bi, and the majority realized they were straight. Gay people and bisexuals are now often catagorized, but they still remain friends with the same people. I don't believe social status has anything to do with it, because I know people who call themselves 'emo', 'prep' and all that bull, but are interested in the same sex, regardless of how people feel about it or discrimination, not because they don't care--if they could change, they would--but it's the way they are.

I personally believe that you can be born gay, discover you're gay, or become gay later in life, not by choice or influence, but by 'defect'.
Although most Christians don't believe this, it has been proven that homosexuality is a chromosome malfunction at birth, or a hormonal imbalance.

Note: http://webpages.marshall.edu/~woods18/homosexuality.htm contains a detailed site of the cause of homosexuality. (Thank you, MRTL_mrclean for this find.)

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Originally Posted by Justin S. Woods

Biology not Bigotry
by Justin S. Woods

America was founded on the belief that all men are created equal. Not all Americans, however, believe in this ideal. America has seen the battle for equal rights rage on many fronts. It has watched women claim the right to vote. It has watched African-Americans claim their place as equals. Now America is about to witness another of these battles as homosexual men and women seek equal treatment from the society in which they live. The media makes us able to hear the opinions of many
different people on the subject of homosexuality. This debate is beginning to draw much more attention. Some people that feel that homosexual men and women suffer from a mental illness or that being a homosexual is the person's choice. Along with this sentiment is the growing tolerance of the open discrimination of homosexuals. This discrimination can be as passive as not renting apartments to homosexuals or as violent as the recent murder of Matthew Shepard. Shepard was kidnaped, beaten, lashed to a fence and left to die because of his sexual orientation. Homosexuality is no more a person's choice than it is a person's choice to be born to his or her parents. Homosexuality is not an illness, it is not a mental defect, it does not define a person, it is simply one aspect of a person's life. Homosexuality is simply a genetic trait like having blond hair and blue eyes. Society must understand that homosexuality is a genetic trait rather than a person's choice and learn to accept it as a part of the person and not a defect.
Most of the hate and disgust people feel for homosexuals is rooted in that person's religious beliefs. Many Christians believe that the Bible claims homosexuality is a sin, and thus, see it as inherently wrong. The practice translated as homosexuality from the Bible was actually referring to the patron system or the practice of wealthy men taking small children, girls and boys, for their sexual pleasure. Sexual relations with children, whether they be male or female, is a sexual disorder called pedophilia, not homosexuality. Homosexuality, the sexual acts of two consenting adults of the same sex, is not mentioned in the Bible; in fact the word homosexuality did not even come about until the 1800's. Today the disapproval has manifested itself in many ways. Major religions disapprove of the practice of homosexuality and do not allow openly homosexual men and women to become ministers and priests. Insurance companies deny coverage to homosexuals. Homosexuals are often alienated because of the belief that homosexuality is contagious. Some people believe that if you are around homosexuals that you will eventually become homosexual. This is much like saying that a person who is in constant contact with African-Americans will eventually become African-American.
Today, due to scientific advances, we have a better understanding of homosexuality. Because of new insight into the genes that determine sexual orientation some believe that homosexuality is a genetic trait. A National Cancer Institute researcher reported that many homosexual men appear to inherit a gene from their mothers that influences their sexual orientation (Hamer 1). In men, the X chromosome pairs with the Y chromosome to form the so-called sex chromosomes, the final set of twenty- three pairs of chromosomes found in all the cells of the human body (Angier 2). A man's X chromosome is inherited from the mother, who bestows on her son a reshuffled version of one of her two copies of the X chromosome (2). It is this X chromosome, passed from the mother, that is believed to influence sexual orientation (2). An experiment conducted with fruit flies to determine if the manipulation of genes can affect sexual orientation found that the introduction of a certain gene caused flies to exhibit homosexual behaviors (Vocca 1). The experiment, conducted by biologists Ward Odenwald and Shang-Ding Zhang, demonstrated how the presence of specific genes could affect sexual orientation (1).
Research also shows that the genes are present within families and that relatives of homosexuals are more likely to be homosexual. Being gay is not simply a choice or purely a decision. "People have no control over the genes they inherit, and there is no way to change them," said the study's lead author, Dr. Dean Hamer, chief of the Cancer Institute's Section on Gene Structure and Regulation (Hamer 1). Hamer and his colleagues began by studying the family histories of 114 gay men and found more homosexual brothers, uncles and male cousins than would be expected in the general population (1). Some families had three generations of homosexual relatives (1). Studies have also found that lesbian women are three times as likely to have a sister that is lesbian (Baily 1). In recent work scientists studied genetic material from forty pairs of gay brothers and found that 33 of the brothers had identical pieces of the X chromosome in their cells (Hamer 1). Gregory King, a spokesperson for the Human Rights Campaign Fund, a gay and lesbian activist group, said he "hoped Hamer's study would help Americans understand that most lesbian and gay people do not choose their sexual orientation" (Hamer 1).
There is a part of the gay community that fears that the discovery of a gay gene will be misconstrued as something that should be cured (Hamer 1). Their concerns are not unfounded. Rev. Lou Sheldon, an anti-gay activist with the Traditional Values Coalition, insinuated that if homosexuality is proven to be a biological trait, then medicine and science should seek to genetically alter homosexuals (NGLTF).
Dr. Simon LeVay, a prominent neurologist, believes that a difference in the structure of the brain may have something to do with sexual orientation. The anterior hypothalmus of the brain participates in the regulation of the male-typical sexual behavior (LeVay 1). The volumes of four cell groups in this region were measured in postmortem tissue from three subject groups: women, heterosexual men, and homosexual men (1). The study was to determine the levels of Interstitial Nuclei of the Anterior Hypothalmus (INAH) 1, 2, 3, and 4(1). The study found no differences between the groups in the volumes of INAH 1, 2, or 4 (1). The levels of INAH 3 however, were more than twice as high in the heterosexual men as in the homosexual men (1). The brain tissue used in the study was obtained from forty- one subjects during routine autopsies of persons who died at seven metropolitan hospitals in New York and California (1). Nineteen subjects were homosexual men. Sixteen subjects were heterosexual men (1). Six of the subjects were heterosexual women, and zero were homosexual women. The research reported that there were definite biological differences in the structure of the brain between homosexual men and heterosexual men. There still is a large portion of our society that harbors hostile feelings for homosexuals. In an age of racial tolerance, society must learn to accept homosexuals in much the same way we have learned to accept those who are of different races. A homosexual is no less a human being than any other man or woman on this planet. Homosexuals do not suffer from a genetic disease; they simply have inherited certain genes and physiological differences that influence their sexual preference. The fact
that a person is homosexual doesn't mean or imply that they have problems functioning in their lives or that they are deviant and immoral. These are myths and stereotypes. Society must understand this and learn to deal with its homophobia in order for homosexuals to acquire the equal treatment that they are entitled as human beings.

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(I apologize if this offends anyone, or if you disagree. You have full right to believe it, as you do to disagree.)


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Originally Posted by seththelezzy

Marriage/Sex is a sacred thing that should be shared between a man and a woman. If the homosexuals don't mind going to hell, and no drunken gay men eye me from across the bar, then I would say that they should be able to marry. But they have to realize that what they are doing is a sin and they would sacrifice their worldly love for their life of eternity in Heaven.

Finally we have someone who sees it both ways. I applaud you, because you respect that homosexuals should have a right to marriage and other things, even though you personally believe it is wrong.

Originally Posted by seththelezzy

I think that when males lack a masculine role model (stepfather, father, brother, etc.) they start turning feminine. This continues and just build up until they just like the same sex. It is the same for females, but with mothers, etc.

Please read further back in the post to see my opinion on the cause of sexual preference.

Originally Posted by seththelezzy

I also think that the Christian academies that try to have the gay taken out of people are wrong. This just denies them their right of what they want, even if it means going against their religion.

1.) Homosexuality is NOT curable by any form of religion, and it is very difficult to control through medication. *I don't believe homosexuality is bad, and I don't support the abolishment of it.*

2.) The Constitution was written for everyone


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Originally Posted by u84

No, you are not born gay.

1.) Read further back, please.

Originally Posted by u84

...God is a man, otherwise it wouldn't come straight from The Bible that he made man in HIS OWN IMAGE.

2.) Man meaning 'mankind', not the gender, idiot. I, someone who's never been religious and who's only read the Bible once, knows that he created men AND women in his image. If it was only men, he created, this bible clearly would've said MEN, not man.

Originally Posted by u84

...saying to someone "Go be gay!" is asinine, so I'm not even going to respond to that.

3.) It's an example of your ignorance that they are clearly pointing out. Anyone that can be gay because of a simple command was gay to begin with.



homosexual

adjective 1. sexually attracted to members of your own sex

noun 1. someone who practices homosexuality; having a sexual attraction to persons of the same sex



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A homosexual, or gay, man or woman is someone who is attracted to the same sex; not someone who pertains in same-sex activities.


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Originally Posted by Lamoc

Theres nothing wrong with being homosexual. Me and most of my friends are and theres nothing wrong with that. Everyones so closed minded. It's just how you are. You can't realy control it. People say if your gay you have to turn straight again. You can't. If you love a certain sex or a certain person, you can't force yourself to like someting else. I guess you can FORCE yourself to but it wouldn't seem right to you. It's wrong.

You can try to fool yourself into thinking so, or withdraw it from public knowledge, but you can never PURPOSELY change yourself or be changed. You can stop loving over time, and you can turn straight over time. It's possible to turn straight or gay at any time, but it's not withing the reach of control--emotions come naturally.

For example, you were at the store when your brother set your house on fire, while there was a family reuninion going on. Everyone you loved is dead now. You loved these people more than anything in the world, and they were your soul...

Walk to the funeral happy, knowing they're dead and never coming back. To make this easier for you to understand, they're all going to hell.

You can wear a smile, and be accepting of their deaths, but you're not going to be happy. You can't control your emotions; love being one of them.


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Originally Posted by hayatewillown

You couldn't get a girl because your lazy. Your not born gay, you choose. You were so lazy, you stopped trying to get a girl. The only choice was to be gay.

This is also proven in your statement " living with my mother ".
This is not cool. And yes, I know I shouldn't determin this, but did you think that you were really going to make it in the real word when you grew up? You need to work for what you want. Not be lazy.
"Ohh but I tried soo hard", BS!!!! Your a lazy freak!

You're a dumbass. Nope, everyone, you can skip to the next part of the post... that's all I have to say.


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Originally Posted by soulofcerberus

Look buddy, just because I was born sideways does not mean that my genetic code is whack.

I'm not suggesting anything other than 'you were born different from the majority of people'. I'm not saying anything is wrong with you, and I don't believe just because it's a defect or malfunction, that that makes anything wrong with you as an individual. Think of it like Eagleboy--he's autistic, but a very intelligent and sweet guy.


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The Bible condemns many things that people do nonetheless and love. The Old Testament even condemns us to eat anything with tentacles, hooves, or scales. The Bible doesn't even say that just 'being gay' is a sin, it says that lack of self-discipline in honor of the Bible to let a man lie with another man is a sin. The point is that homosexuality isn't a gigantic controversy, and God loves his children all the same.

This topic should be wrapping up pretty soon, because this debate has pretty much all the points it needs.

Homosexual marriage - against the Bible, but protects the rights of the Constitution.
The only reason homosexual marriage isn't legal now is our bullcrap voting system--everyone in the country voting for a small percentage of the population, clearly based on discrimination or tolerance.

Now we need to move onto Homosexual Parents' Rights to Adoption.


(Personally, I'm athiest/agnostic; I don't believe in God, and I'm heterosexual/straight. I hope I helped people see from different perspectives to tolerate homosexuality. Everyone with an oppurtunity deserves equals rights under the Constitution. Thank you for reading, and feel free to comment on any previous statements or questions.)

[psychopete]

Originally Posted by tha Guardians

I personally believe that you can be born gay, discover you're gay, or become gay later in life, not by choice or influence, but by 'defect'.
Although most Christians don't believe this, it has been proven that homosexuality is a chromosome malfunction at birth, or a hormonal imbalance.

Show us your proof, then.

[soulofcerberus]

Originally Posted by tha Guardians

chromosome malfunction

Look buddy, just because I was born sideways does not mean that my genetic code is whack.

[MRTL_mrclean17]

Originally Posted by psychopete

Show us your proof, then.

Ask and ye shall receive:
http://webpages.marshall.edu/~woods18/homosexuality.htm
Please do read, I read it all and found it quite fascinating.
However my opinion of homosexuality as the fault of a chromosome doesn't mean I detest homosexuals myself.

[soulofcerberus]

I officially declare this thread (in relation to the original topic) dead.


DEAD! *poke*

[MRTL_mrclean17]

Originally Posted by soulofcerberus

I officially declare this thread (in relation to the original topic) dead.


DEAD! *poke*

What I've been saying all along... Glad somebody else finally noticed.
But don't poke dead threads, you could get a disease!

[psychopete]

Originally Posted by MRTL_mrclean17

Ask and ye shall receive:
http://webpages.marshall.edu/~woods18/homosexuality.htm
Please do read, I read it all and found it quite fascinating.
However my opinion of homosexuality as the fault of a chromosome doesn't mean I detest homosexuals myself.

People are who they are, it's not a gene defect. Trying to explain it causes people to think less of a certain theory than they already did.