Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

[Rebirth0]

So Unknown Girl STILL got rejected even when I fixed EXACTLY what you all wanted me to? That's cute. Want to tell me what's wrong THIS TIME?


Here's my final statement in our little arguement.

I'm not having fun creating simfiles for FFR anymore because of these stupid ass rules you've shat out. No, I can't be creative anymore. I'm afraid to step something as epic as TGWP again for the possibility of you idiots rejecting it because there's one little thing wrong with it. I'd love to spend a month or two on a simfile and have it rejected. Why don't you tell me....if TGWP wasn't in the game, and I had just recently sent it in, would you accept it?

Whether your answer is yes or no, I say this. As one of the oldest (as in how long I've been making sims) most experienced simfile artists EVER, I say that YOU TWO have torn this game up. You obviously have NO IDEA how to judge a simfile. You think you do, but just look at the results from the community AND FROM MYSELF

[dore]

bs=creative mirite

[talisman]

As long as "what the majority wants" doesn't equate to everything turning into eggman's quasar, I'm fine with the system.

[Shashakiro]

Originally Posted by Rebirth0

So Unknown Girl STILL got rejected even when I fixed EXACTLY what you all wanted me to? That's cute. Want to tell me what's wrong THIS TIME?

Tass must not have played it, 'cause I gave it a +, and it's not even mentioned in Tass's last post...odd. As far as I'm concerned, it's a great file now and definitely queue-worthy--the alternating jump part works really nicely as a climax, much better than the part you tried to make a climax last time IMO.

Why don't you tell me....if TGWP wasn't in the game, and I had just recently sent it in, would you accept it?

Yes, without question. There's nothing wrong with it at all, and it's still probably the best file in the game, and we'd recognize that. What are you, paranoid? I'd think you of all people would know our guidelines pretty well by now. We even accepted BB Revenge, which you thought we'd reject for being trilly.

Also, there's a difference between "reject" and "needs a minor tweak". A HUGE difference, actually. You seem to be lumping the two together, while they're just as different as "needs a lot of work" and "accepted". "Needs minor tweak" means that the file author can spend about a minute in the editor to fix something in order to get the file accepted.

Lastly...only the file artists seem to have a problem with what we do, not the players (unless there's been a mass hidden disapproval of all the new files that I'm unaware of). Which we don't really see as a problem at all. Again, the system is meant to satisfy the players, not the file artists. As long as the players are satisfied and happy with the new files, we're doing our job.

[Vishnal]

Originally Posted by Shashakiro

Tass must not have played it, 'cause I gave it a +, and it's not even mentioned in Tass's last post...odd. As far as I'm concerned, it's a great file now and definitely queue-worthy--the alternating jump part works really nicely as a climax, much better than the part you tried to make a climax last time IMO.



Yes, without question. There's nothing wrong with it at all, and it's still probably the best file in the game, and we'd recognize that. What are you, paranoid? I'd think you of all people would know our guidelines pretty well by now. We even accepted BB Revenge, which you thought we'd reject for being trilly.

Also, there's a difference between "reject" and "needs a minor tweak". A HUGE difference, actually. You seem to be lumping the two together, while they're just as different as "needs a lot of work" and "accepted". "Needs minor tweak" means that the file author can spend about a minute in the editor to fix something in order to get the file accepted.

Lastly...only the file artists seem to have a problem with what we do, not the players (unless there's been a mass hidden disapproval of all the new files that I'm unaware of). Which we don't really see as a problem at all. Again, the system is meant to satisfy the players, not the file artists. As long as the players are satisfied and happy with the new files, we're doing our job.

Wonderful. But I've received no notice about ANY of my submissions. Have they been played, or were they under-the-table rejections?

~Vishie~

[Rebirth0]

I thought BB Revenge would be rejected because it's so fast and it has quite a few 24th streams. I didn't think it would be because of you guys.

Of course the simfile artists are going to be the ones to complain, because we make the files exactly how we want, what we think is funnest for the file, and yet you say it's not. I don't know about the other simfile artists, but I know if one of my simfiles is rejected, it's got a retarded reason (excluding Unknown Girl)

And just so you know, I've got probably over one hundred people that have told me what they think about all of this stuff, in MP over the weeks. I've been arguing for myself and all of these people. We all have the same opinions.

[Shashakiro]

Originally Posted by Vishnal

Wonderful. But I've received no notice about ANY of my submissions. Have they been played, or were they under-the-table rejections?

~Vishie~

One of yours was in the latest batch, which I STILL haven't finished playing...I'll get to it tonight >_>

Originally Posted by Rebirth

I don't know about the other simfile artists, but I know if one of my simfiles is rejected, it's got a retarded reason (excluding Unknown Girl)

I don't think we've ever rejected one of your files. The worst you've ever gotten is a "needs minor tweak", and always for one of two things: overstepping (everyone loves 16th jumpspam, right) or some kind of sync problem.

And just so you know, I've got probably over one hundred people that have told me what they think about all of this stuff, in MP over the weeks. I've been arguing for myself and all of these people. We all have the same opinions.

Are they complaining about the quality of the files, or are they merely sympathizing with the file artists (in which case it's essentially irrelevant)? And if it's the former, why haven't any of these 100 people said anything to Tass or I?

[Valtrix]

Well, you know, I don't think that the file judging really is taking the fun out of stepping the songs. I mean, most of the time a lot of songs get put into the "needs minor" fixing because of a legitimate reason, such as offsync notes. Sure there is the suggestion that something is over or under stepped, but almost all the time has some other issue to go with it as well. About the only "true" limiting I see is in jacks, but that's merely because they're frustrating to play on FFR.

So, why does everybody have to complain about not getting files in? You think the stepfile authors always have it "right"? No, they don't. You think Tass and Shash always have it "right" either? No, they don't, but constantly berating the judging system is nothing more than childish. They do the best that they can to make sure that the community of FFR enjoys the songs, and something like this isn't an exact science.

Considering the number of submissions that FFR gets now, the queue screening is to make sure the songs are as good as they can be. Most songs are only around two minutes; it honestly does not take much time to fix a small error. Sure, you have to wait until the next queue update, but because it's so long anyways that really doesn't make a difference in the long run.

Originally Posted by Rebirth0

No, I can't be creative anymore.

Or maybe you should just say, "Boo hoo, I can't have every single file of mine no the queue with little extra effort." What more is it than that? Maybe you just feel like you can't be creative anymore because you've made too many files, and that's why it's not interesting anymore. It's not the system.

Originally Posted by Rebirth0

You obviously have NO IDEA how to judge a simfile. You think you do, but just look at the results from the community AND FROM MYSELF.

What, and you have EVERY idea on how to judge a file? How many non-stepfile artists do you see complaining about the system? To me, it seems like most artists are just whining because they can't get a file into the queue immediately.

If a song doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel right.

[Rebirth0]

I haven't heard a lot of the complaining on the files themselves, but I get complaints from them about the way you guys do things around here. They all miss the old days too, where simfiles could be random (that doesn't mean crap, (I'm sure you do get absolute crap now with all of the submissions) but something possibly not quite as organized as you all want).

Why haven't they told you themselves? Probably because early on, I told them that I would fight you guys to restore everything that has gone wrong, and that's what I have been doing.

Originally Posted by Valtrix

What, and you have EVERY idea on how to judge a file? How many non-stepfile artists do you see complaining about the system? To me, it seems like most artists are just whining because they can't get a file into the queue immediately.

You know...Yes. I honestly think that I know how to judge a simfile better than Shash and Tass can. I have years of experience in the game, both playing and creating simfiles. They only have playing, and shash has a little bit of creation experience. Am I the absolute best? No, but I would do things a lot differently than the way it's being done now.

[Shashakiro]

Originally Posted by Rebirth0

I haven't heard a lot of the complaining on the files themselves

In other words, we're doing all that we're supposed to be doing. Thanks.

They all miss the old days too, where simfiles could be random

They miss the days when stuff like EHHS and Pants could get in the game? Please. For every hundred people that miss that sort of thing, there are about three thousand who don't at all, and you know it.

[MooMoo_Cowfreak]

Originally Posted by Rebirth0

I haven't heard a lot of the complaining on the files themselves, but I get complaints from them about the way you guys do things around here. They all miss the old days too, where simfiles could be random (that doesn't mean crap, (I'm sure you do get absolute crap now with all of the submissions) but something possibly not quite as organized as you all want).

Ok, so you guys know, I like Crowdpleaser and RunnyMorning. Why? Because they are fun. Even if they aren't on sync, they are still fun, and Crowdpleaser matches it's style of song perfectly. As Shash said, he would accept Zaghs X-Rated videos. Would you reject Crowdpleaser because it's, "BS man, and that's un-AAAable. Even FCable (That means you Nul)." Honestly, I don't care if it's humanly impossible to FC Crowdpleaser. Maybe the 64th trill could go, but the 32'nds should stay. And as for, RunnyMorning, the jacks fit with the song perfectly, and most everything does. It should just be on sync.

EDIT: For you Shash, here's an example of somebody who likes Pants. Ha ha. (EHHS is a piece of crud, and doesn't fit the music Mr. Shashakiro.)

[Rebirth0]

Then let me ask you this. Are you guys going to listen to me or are you going to continue creating a bad reputation for yourselves?

I really want to make every part of FFR fun for myself and others once again, and if you all won't listen to what I have to say about the changes that need to be made then what else can I do than complain and fight you? I want to make all of this peaceful again, for everyone. I'm in between everything, and I see everything. I have only been forceful with my comments, and not as nice as I need to be. That's because with the way things are happening, it doesn't seem like anything can get through to you guys without being forceful and demanding.

So now I ask you. Can't you just do this my way for a while? I guarantee that you all would feel better about everything. I'm willing to put everything on the line. I would risk what powers I have, and even being permanently banned for this because I KNOW that it would be a nice change. I can tell you now: if you actually do listen to me, and do things the way I want them to be done, and if anything goes wrong...I want you to ban me and ****ing completely humiliate me in the worst possible way.

[Sprite-]

what exactly is your way?

[Rebirth0]

I would have to be able to judge these simfiles that we get. I just can't believe that something is going to be rejected for such small reasons. It just has to be horrible for them to want to do that, and I want to see this for myself.

I would need to judge the simfiles, and have a huge say in what goes in for the time being. If Tass and Shash are going to reject a file, and I were to approve it, they have to really listen and consider my thoughts. They can't just blow me off with whatever they may say.

[Cyanite]

Originally Posted by MooMoo_Cowfreak

EDIT: For you Shash, here's an example of somebody who likes Pants. Ha ha. (EHHS is a piece of crud, and doesn't fit the music Mr. Shashakiro.)

Pants is a piece of crud and doesn't fit the music. No part of that song warrents a jumpstream.

EHHS fits the music very nicely though.

Edit: Okay, here's my take on this. Rebirth, it appears that you're willing to make the judging process much, MUCH slower just so you can get in a few files that may have a couple of things wrong with them.

Like Shash said, you're confusing "Needs Minor Tweaking/Editing" with "Rejected". Why are you willing to go to such extreme lengths just to ensure a file get in, when it can easily be fixed within a few minutes of the stepper's time?

If you're not referring to these little mistakes that cause a file to be rejected then I have no clue what you're referring to. However if you're saying files like Crowdpleaser and Runnymorning which are impossible to FC/AAA, yet are fun and well stepped, should get into the game, that's ridiculous. FFR has guidelines and expectations that are enforced when the file is actually impossible to play well in the game. For me, I avoid almost every file with jacks in them, due to them making the file worse. Even if they go with the song perfectly, it's still something that ruins my combo/PA even if I hit them exactly when they're supposed to be hit. I don't want stuff like that in the game and I have no clue why you would either.

[Tasselfoot]

Unknown Girl is in the queue. Apart from that, I'm REALLY considering locking this... then making a new locked queue thread that I post updates into and nobody else can post into.

[Cyanite]

I was considering suggesting you locked this thread but I'd really like hearing ongoing progress by you guys in an unlocked thread.

If you locked it I'd never check it. I mean, with this you can post "Yeah we're almost done" when someone asks, or whatever. With a locked thread I doubt you'd post stuff like that regularly.

I suggest just deleting the last however many pages that were about how corrupt the judging system is or whatever, and just continuing on from there with a strict warning against posting things like that in the future.

I really don't want to see this locked though.

[Xception704]

At least give him a response?...

[-Blazze~]

Alright here is my input on this.

I ENJOY a bunch of the older ffr files. ie: pants, ehhs, runny, etc. And I really think that Rebirth has a lot of experience with deciding on if a file is FUN or NOT FUN. I think that you should at least accept a hard file every once in a while. I don't like all of this bs ololol quasar stream. I know you guys are trying to do your job, but I feel as though you are taking away from the hard and fun stuff. Maybe accept a hard file every once in a while.

I think that you should give Rebirth a chance to prove himself as a simfile judge. I think he could really turn around all of the criticism that this thread thread has been getting. Just give him a chance.

[GamerShadow]

We could just as easily take this into another thread, and have you guys delete the last few pages.

Don't lock it, I wouldn't check on the locked thread. Besides, if you locked it, it would have to be ANOTHER sticky. You don't want a whole page of stickies, do you?

Blazze: It slows the judging process, by A LOT. Do you want to wait 1 week, or 3 to get a stepfile into the game?