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Old 12-7-2006, 08:45 PM   #101
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Old 12-7-2006, 08:46 PM   #102
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I never said she should keep the kid. She definitely definitely definitely should give it up for adoption.

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I'm Libertarian, actually. Libertarians are divided on the abortion issue.

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and pressing his anti-adoption stance
What? I definitely support adoption. Did you even read what I wrote?

[quote]with some facts that really don't stand up and aren't even that relevant.

Are you going to explain how or why my facts don't stand up or are irrelevant? Or is it easier to simply dismiss them?

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She's going to be sad, you say? No ****. No matter what she does she is going to be sad.
We already agreed on this. And post-traumatic stress syndrome isn't really "sadness." It's more like "living hell." You should read up on it sometime before you argue that it's irrelevant.

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Her own damn fault for getting pregnant.
Funny how left-wingers are supposed to be "compassionate."

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And so much for a "right to choose," too.
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Old 12-7-2006, 08:46 PM   #103
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she probably needs to get an abortion because since she is in middle school and is 13-14 there is a chance that she might not live and the depression and stuff isn't helping her at all. if she does decide to have the baby then tell her to take the baby to a hospital, police station, etc. they did pass a law in 47 states that allows girls to send the baby to those places and still keep in contact with her kid.
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Old 12-7-2006, 08:48 PM   #104
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Abortion is murder in my point of veiw. If she does want to give the baby up she should give it to Adoption. But it's her choice.
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Old 12-7-2006, 08:54 PM   #105
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Are you going to explain how or why my facts don't stand up or are irrelevant? Or is it easier to simply dismiss them?
Your facts thus far are two paragraphs of "if you abort you could get depressed".

You say you agree with me that she could be depressed to various degrees no matter what she does.

I don't know about you, but I'd prefer to risk the PTSD than the negative results of putting the kid up for adoption. When she actually has the kid, she will become attached to it, and then she will give it away and oh hey she's going to have a GREAT chance of getting depressed. Not to mention the kid is likely going to be depressed at one point or another. I know; my aunt, who is a great person and has a great husband, has adopted six children, and every one of them has been eager as hell to get away from them and seek out their real parents.

Real great. Excelllent alternative.

Also, she's only going to get PTSD if she actually considers it killing, which I don't know why anyone would.
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Old 12-7-2006, 08:57 PM   #106
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if she actually considers it killing, which I don't know why anyone would.
Ooh.

I wouldn't go down that road if I were you.
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Old 12-7-2006, 08:59 PM   #107
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Old 12-7-2006, 09:03 PM   #108
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Well, that completely sucks.

I personally know people who have gotten pregnant at a young age (Not 13-14, more 15-16 year olds), and all of them had their babies, some gave them up for adoption, and some didn't.

Basically, it's her choice. I personally think abortion in-and-of itself is wrong, to an extent. It really depends on the fetus' age, imo.

Anyway, people who argue one way or the other, have to just see it this way:

Abortions:
- Can cause emotional trauma.
- Can cause physical problems (even death, to the woman)
+ Gets rid of your problem (the baby)

Birth (with or without adoption):
- Can cause emotional trauma (giving birth at such a young age)
- Can cause physical problems (even death, to the woman)

+/- You can keep the baby and raise it, which may or may not be good for the baby and for you. Depends how supportive (and rich) you and your parents are of the child.


So really, if she's old enough to decide to sneak out, have sex, and get knocked up, she's old enough to raise a child, or live with the consequences of aborting one.

And, if any of you generalize me as a conservative, or liberal, or anything like that, I will castrate you with my teeth.

These are my personal views, not that of my political party (and I have no political party.)


And for those of you saying killing the fetus is ok, since the kid will have a bad life..

Who are you to say the child would rather have never lived instead of having a some-what horrible life?

Hell, lots of my friends were adopted. We've had conversations about 'what if your parent decided to abort you', and they made it clear they are happy their parents didn't. Sure, they had a rough life what-with group homes, and the such, but 'mercy killing' a fetus just so he doesn't feel bad? Nah.
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Old 12-7-2006, 09:03 PM   #109
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I wouldn't go down that road if I were you.
Yeah, that's where the opinion divide occurs, the abortion argument begins, and things go in a totally different direction.

Regardless, even if she does consider it killing, Chardish's studies say 14% get the full blast of PTSD and half get part of it. Sounds like a better risk to take in exchange for the baby being nothing but a memory.

Oh. And the anti-adoption thing, as you probably figured, was a typo. Sorry about that.

REGARDLESS, she should not keep the kid. Whether she aborts or puts it to adoption is her choice. Talk her out of it.
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Old 12-7-2006, 09:08 PM   #110
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Nobody ever talked about having the girl get a C-section.

Personally, I'm pro-choice. I'm apathetic to what other people do because it's their decision. However, I do believe it is better for the girl to have the baby and put it for adoption. She is at no risk of losing her life while giving birth, and if she puts it up for adoption her life wouldn't be scarred (much) as it would be if she raised it herself. It's a win-win situation. Killing the child wouldn't do anything either. Just give it a chance to live; it wasn't its fault that the girl had sex and the condom broke. Whether it is life or not at this point is irrelevant, in my opinion, for if it isn't 'alive' at that point in time, it will be eventually.
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Old 12-7-2006, 09:14 PM   #111
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Really, it's up to her whether or not she wants to keep the kid or not. I'm 100% pro-choice, and if she ends up having the baby then that's her decision. None of you really have a right to make up someone's mind for them.

Personally, I would have an abortion. No sense in ruining my life by having to take care of a child. Not only do I not have faith in myself being a mother, but I'd kick myself in the ass every day for burdening myself with a child. You can always have another child when you're older.


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Old 12-7-2006, 09:23 PM   #112
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And so much for a "right to choose," too.
In Soviet Russia, abortion chooses you!

ps. @Jurs: If you are thirteen years old and pregnant you automatically have proven that you are incapable of making good decisions and thus forfeit your right to choose.

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Old 12-7-2006, 09:23 PM   #113
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Is abortion really murder since the baby hasn't even been brought to life? It truely is their decision what to do here, but giving birth at this point doesn't seem like it is going to help anybody out. There is a good chance she will get depression or some other condition either way she goes, but giving birth, adoption or not, seems less beneficial than abortion. She has to live with what has happened, but in the end, those who care for her will probably be there for her.
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Old 12-7-2006, 09:32 PM   #114
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Is abortion really murder since the baby hasn't even been brought to life?
It all depends on when it is you believe that life begins. Some people believe that life begins at the moment of conception. There is also the theological debate as to when it is that a fetus acquires its soul.
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Old 12-7-2006, 09:33 PM   #115
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Hell, lots of my friends were adopted. We've had conversations about 'what if your parent decided to abort you', and they made it clear they are happy their parents didn't. Sure, they had a rough life what-with group homes, and the such, but 'mercy killing' a fetus just so he doesn't feel bad? Nah.
So are you saying they wouldn't be happy if their parents did abort them? I know it sounds stupid, but that's the point I'm trying to make here. You have absolutely no idea how many more friends that you may have had that were abortions, and neither do I (hellooooo, Chaos Theory). I know I wouldn't want to live wondering all my life why I wasn't wanted by my original parents. There's a big difference between an unhappy child and a nonexistent child. The kid won't have to live with that pain.

You're considering one life right now, the life of the unborn child. With that one life, two or more are going to be potentially ruined. The individuals that immediately come to mind are the child and the mother. The mother and child both suffer emotional trauma if put up for adoption, and both suffer a dead-end cycle of poverty and government dependence if kept. Other groups can be affected, the most obvious being immediate family.

Imagine the child is aborted. The mother can go on to lead a life with better chance for success, and can have more children that can live in better standing. Immediate family and other groups are not affected.

So, you think the saving of one life is cause for ruining others? Wouldn't you give up your life to save 100 people, or even 10 people? Think about the two options carefully.

Save one life, potentially ruin two or more.

Prevent the start of one life, preserve the opportunity of better lives for one or more. Worst case scenario: one ruined life.

Now, I'm not going to try to start the "is it alive or not" argument. Just remember that there is a chance that the fetus is not technically "alive" yet. So, you may not be killing anything. You can't kill something that isn't alive, and then it won't ever know the difference anyway.
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I had an abortion when I was 18. I was working in Tennesee as a waitress in a truck stop and I fell in love with a guy - bright blue eyes, maybe powder blue, curly blonde hair.

I ended up getting pregnant with his best friend. It was the first time I had sex. I had an abortion, too, because if I had kept the baby, it would have ruined my life.
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It all depends on when it is you believe that life begins. Some people believe that life begins at the moment of conception. There is also the theological debate as to when it is that a fetus acquires its soul.
if it's not alive and you abort it you're destroying something that would have had life. It's basically the same thing. It would have had a life regardless of the fact it already had it or not during the time of development.
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Chardish is a Libertarian?

That means Chardish and I agree about something.






















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if it's not alive and you abort it you're destroying something that would have had life. It's basically the same thing. It would have had a life regardless of the fact it already had it or not during the time of development.
No, it could have had life. Miscarriages, stillbirths, complications during labor etc could call lead to the death of the fetus and the mother.
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I had an abortion when I was 18. I was working in Tennesee as a waitress in a truck stop and I fell in love with a guy - bright blue eyes, maybe powder blue, curly blonde hair.

I ended up getting pregnant with his best friend. It was the first time I had sex. I had an abortion, too, because if I had kept the baby, it would have ruined my life.
haha I just watched that a few hours ago, I thought it was weird they had an episode on abortion today of all days.
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