TWG Turbo 39: Timing Error [GAME THREAD]

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG Turbo 39: Timing Error [GAME THREAD]

Im not doing it on my phone (I hate phone posting) but my self-assigned homework for this phase is to determine how sure I am of my village reads, because there just like
Is a wolf in Naka arp, but there's probably not two
Would be funny if arp were trying to solo carry

Anyways

Thats entirely where the game lies at the moment for me

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Let's, for a moment, assume the vigi didnt poison (they should have and id be definitely annoyed at the person if they did not)

Let us assume Naka is a villager and makes postcount min today

We are fucked tomorrow

Id rather rip the band aid off now

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Dont take this as me saying that we have little work to do
Im gonna read a lot and still try to figure out Townsend

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A thought that just occurred to me is that a leetic/round team probably just kills me instead of fruits me
Like they probably just take over the game after that and cruise fairly easily

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG Turbo 39: Timing Error [GAME THREAD]

If we can flip one wolf I'll allow people to consider Nakah. Going into F5 with two active wolves will in most scenarios end disastrously, we need to hit the wolves where it hurts. 'Til then I'm vetoing any attempt to lynch Nakah.

Truly a shame that a veto can be overriden by a majority vote, or even one of them wacky plurality ones

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG Turbo 39: Timing Error [GAME THREAD]

As for Zenith, what can I say? Them flipping town at least clears things up a lot more than Nakah flipping town would've. I myself was pretty surprised how quickly people were willing to jump ship off of Arp, I believe we had five people on that wagon (though not all concurrently). I could say that roundbox's movements both on and off that wagon were very unimpressive but I don't want to get too confbiased here. If Arp truly is wolf then the people who acquiesced to the Arp wagon but quickly jumped to the Zenith wagon (aka roundbox, MML) would be the most suspect (Subaru switched as well but they flipped town)

Looking back, I still feel pretty good that Arp's last post were them giving up as villager and just not trying. I think if they where wolf they would have panicked a lot more.

I was only on Arp because there was just no way enough people would have gone for Nakah and the actual votes were split 5 ways. When Arp made their post I simply went to the then current competitive counterwagon because of the two, I felt better about Arp in the moment

I suppose you could claim I was wishy washy and should have stuck to my guns, AKA a Nakah vote. Don't worry, it won't happen again.

If we can flip one wolf I'll allow people to consider Nakah. Going into F5 with two active wolves will in most scenarios end disastrously, we need to hit the wolves where it hurts. 'Til then I'm vetoing any attempt to lynch Nakah.

I am like 99.99999999999% always voting Nakah here this phase and if we got to fight like two year olds about it the whole time then that's probably more indicative that you're his partner then anything.

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG Turbo 39: Timing Error [GAME THREAD]

Ok so lets start this

Lets go over every single 29 posts Subaru made

I'm almost positive it's after EoD but I'm panic-readin rn. Been a fuckin rough week so I took a rest day today and haven't been at the computer let alone conscious whatsoever. Super tired but I'm very fuckin frustrated I missed day 1 I didn't think it'd start this soon for some reason. Very sorry

Been getting heavy into DDR for the past few years, started travelling a lot more cuz of it it's been fantastic. Otherwise been navigating a relatively shit work environment that's gettin smaller and more hostile; learning a lot but it's takin a lot out of me.

I don't think I've ever seen leetic before so hello! You're a very aggressive player and using combinatorics in a TWG game is nuts I've never seen that before I don't think, I'm very lookin forward to this game

Saw that the day was extended as well goin through, my heart rate can lower now I felt like I was breakin rules

NAI Posts to start us off. Considers Leetic to be an aggressive player which is a cold take straight from the fridge

The positive reads I can discern from my first go-through:

From what I'm seeing so far I'm kinda riding on sunfan's general gauge of leetic since he's much more familiar with them than I am. Very gung-ho out the gate which is cool but I'm havin a hard time piecing together everything they've said. Ultra wild-card but not much to base on alignment-wise just D0; I don't wanna tunnel the wrong way off of a chaotic opening. Leanin positive if not for any reason other than fatigue and their exchange with Sunfan, will expound below.
Will have to catch up on them.

Feeling really good bout Sunfan similarly cuz of those two's exchanges, both seem to earnestly want to figure out what the other's goin on about. Will have to dissect finer later on but I'm feelin more concrete on my read on sunfan.

Roundbox's vote on me is pretty par for the course; was bang-on with me bein in later on. Not much to gauge fmpov he's doin how he do

Lar's been active but the fatigue's setting in, I'm likin his entrance for sure.

Like was discussed earlier that's prolly all of the active players but whatcha gonna do it's who stuck out to me as I was readin; now that Arp's here as well hopefully when I send this more posts have been made

Going to attempt to read through a second time to dissect everyone else on top of somehow keepin up with current stuff

Positive thoughts on SunFan, neutral thoughts on Roundbox, slants my entrance as positive but clarified later the fatigued meant he thought I already seemed tired of the game, and was hopeful for Arp since they arrived around this time

I was pickin up on leetic being kinda all over the place but was hoping there was Something to follow maybe that I didn't pick up on. Might be too optimistic about it for my own reads but will definitely keep this in mind. I didn't find their exchange too gross per se, little strange but sunfan felt pretty on-model to me anyway - coy how?

Subaru being wishy washy with the leetic read but considering it's early activity and that I know for 100% he's clean that's probably about right

I would be flattered, I'm tryna also go gung-ho since I pretty much missed the entirety of the initial EoD since I hadn't been active for ~23 hours prior

I'll admit I'm pretty tired so I'm not really proofreading my posts as much, I've said it before but I'll try'n approach each game I play in a different way using what I learned to improve and I'm attempting to apply just sayin fuck it and send instead of spendin 50 minutes on each one and missing shit that'd answer any questions I was actively workin on

Could see how I appear different from there but I'm a little confused how this results in a vote I'm operating how I always do fmpov just without as much refinement

Case in point imo; I'm changin how I'm approachin this game by not worrying about how I'm comin across as hard as I usually do. Clearly not the approach as evidenced by this but idk man that's my answer.

What I mean is I feel like I'm interacting how I usually do as a person but tryna improve on how I show it in what I type. I wanna be a lil more present instead of constantly lost reading back the whole game as stuff keeps happening so I typed a running commentary that I didn't really edit/iterate much as opposed to, like I said, spendin an hour making sure I'm actually reading into the right thing or getting the right info and not just blindly tonereading stuff and tunnelling like I tend to fall into doing.

I'm tryna improve my meta I guess is a better way to put it?? Idrk how else to explain it but it's genuine

With D0 being what it is, with exception for these past like 3 hours maybe all I got is tonereading so it's hard to really do anything I'd deem sufficient in terms of reads, you and leetic's convo was the only thing I really had anything to immediately analyze til Roundbox and Lar came in to my recollection

This is Subaru's responses to SunFan accusing them of being too confident and then voting them. I...don't know if I agree with SunFan here actually. I suppose in the past they had played very reserved day 1 (read inactive) so SunFan's probably just doing a meta read here if it's even that serious at all.

Subaru does engage with them seriously and gives a good defense of themselves, but since we already know his alignment that doesn't really tell us anything new

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG Turbo 39: Timing Error [GAME THREAD]

I'll admit I was really just skimmin the first three pages just to see if there was an EoD extension, was really antsy cuz it felt like I was breakin rules. I apologize if most of what you were contributing were on those first two pages I definitely missed it.




This first set of reads right here is what I liked when you came in.



Saw some similarities in stuff I was noticing going through a lil more thorough prolly page 3 1/2 onwards (will find postcount eventually I'm drowning in tabs) which made me feel even better; I couldn't find anything else with an overall readslist structure I'm gonna be honest I thought there was more but I did also like this after following the tree of quotes



I'd entirely missed the fact all that was based on Nakah as well, saw the combinatorics at first from leetic and went "that's interesting, never seen someone play like this but it's math I'd do I guess".

The sunfan quote also reinforcing why I feel good about him. I'm still kinda curious how their convo was weird fypov

Subaru defends on why they didn't comment on Raeko and uses the excuse they thought they where doing something that's literally modkill worthy instead. He did go on to basically give Raeko no pushback and sheeps her a little. HE then goes on to say that he didn't know all the math talk was about Nakah which proves he just let the numbers graze over his eyeballs.

I mean I did too fuck math but I at least knew what you guys were trying to do

I do find it pretty towny sunfan later agreeing that The Posts:tm: were also NGR too. I feel the "definitely should've said that earlier" but hoping it ain't no backpedaling

Reaffirms that SunFan feels good

I'm ngl I thought I had the acronyms down this time I think I was wrong bout both of these

I was runnin with "Not Good Reads" and "Not An Issue"; NAI I think is at least almost equivalent but I may have to reread The Posts:tm: I mentioned in the last half of my wall with this in mind

y'all wtf happened I'm almost done with my reply to raeko but goddamn

None of these really add anything

By the time I'd caught up to make what I made last night I was diggin through sunfan and leetic's part of the convo, was only this morning I've been more thoroughly going through the first couple pages. Your summoning vote on leetic was something I entirely missed, didn't realize they weren't even here til around 2 hours before I came in neither. Broken charger's rough though I feel that.



Can also see whatchu mean by this now; I like the initiative of tryna get people get thoughts out on y'all here cuz most of the reason I didn't pay much mind was cuz nobody really did outside of "raeko was active now she's not", which is consistent in your criticisms of me.

Leetic expressing their disdain for voting inactives


and then subsequently threw out the list I put in earlier is kinda interesting.

It's why I can kinda get the response they gave to your "vote" on Zenith but I feel the Summoning Vote as unserious or serious as it may have been was sufficient context to not read too much into it, even with you saying pretty much exactly this. Through all that voting roundbox is definitely interesting but from their point of view makes sense I guess.




This is really the only bit of insight I got from em. I personally hate using meta but have been opening up to taking it into account more. But even then a clear off an offer for a haircut (which by the way I'm very down for if I could get a tiny trim) no matter how well you know em is insufficient for me. This whole exchange is when I really started divin down the leetic/sunfan hole.

Sunfan being the only person on that list who's really interacted with him is of note to me, but with my newfound knowledge NAI yet.

Knowing now that they made the combinatorics PoE literally just before EoD got extended is definitely important context but iterating on it with each bit of sunfan's questioning was confusing to me cuz there's no longer really a timecrunch, there's definitely gonna be some info to come. In my eyes I'm waitin for the info instead of tryna push what looks to be a pretty arbitrary game of probability for no reason. "I've done sufficient reading into the slot" to you yeah but I got no clue what's going on in your brain unfortunately I can barely organize mine

Was post 81 goddammit I never typed it

Subaru defends not getting the math, throws out general thoughts on Leetic and does not reach a real satisfactory conclusion. Raeko and SunFan will go on to say he is winning them over with all his effort which is certified INTERESTING because it's at this junction that I feel like I'm wasting my fucking time

Leetic might be on to something that this was a safe NK to keep the status quo and not shake the boat, which means at least one wolf is so hidden they are not concerned with doing any real work

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG Turbo 39: Timing Error [GAME THREAD]

ayyyy what's good yea there's a fair bit

I'mma have to get ready for work myself, effort's gonna drop dramatically my first bout of phoneposting this game but will attempt to read as I think I should just be puttin stuff up on shelves tonight.

Should be on break bout 4 hours from writing this but it'll only be a 15 so rip. If I'm in the office should be more available from 8:00-9:30 PM 5-6hrs from now.

Dropping that slank which I'm about to have to do at the end of this posts

I need to find where he was sayin I was puttin in too much effort when I'm done walking but from then up until a few posts ago this lets me know his world was WW Zenith WL Subaru; shitpost or not it's still notable to just kinda put out there

I'm very excited for the reads tbh, I'm on the fence cuz outside of doin strange stuff like this you've come off predominantly townfan. Now that Zenith's here the vote'll mean more ofc but it's definitely somethin new I hadn't considered

He seems to be talking to and about Zenith here??? glancing at the posts around this it's hard to say.

It's ultimately more lukewarm takes that ultimately he could have taken back on a long enough timeframe. There's no hard stances here

Anyway something game up and I have to step away, not an emegency but it is time sensitive

So far the only thing I got from this is I think SunFan and Raeko clear him way too easy.

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG Turbo 39: Timing Error [GAME THREAD]

So for both Raeko and SunFan: What was your thought process on them at this time?

[mellon_collie]

Re: TWG Turbo 39: Timing Error [GAME THREAD]

Nakah definitely didn't.

How not...? This man is still alive somehow... if he's still in the game idk how he couldn't have made the kill

Your defense of Nakah (not inactives, Nakah) is so weird

[mellon_collie]

Re: TWG Turbo 39: Timing Error [GAME THREAD]

also Nakah if you don't show up I swear to god I will hurt you

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG Turbo 39: Timing Error [GAME THREAD]

Reminder that we could have killed Nakah last phase instead of someone who was actually playing the fucking game and we wouldn't be in this situation where we have a dead slot who could lose us the game whenever they get modkilled

I kinda thought that nakah would be either replaced or modkilled

I guess I deserve the "Fell For It Again" award

[mellon_collie]

Re: TWG Turbo 39: Timing Error [GAME THREAD]

Besides, I feel to have made the Subaru kill the wolf must have been paying close attention to the dynamics of EoD. We should look there first

This is true but there are two wolves so... if one of them was paying attention they could just tell the other one "hey kill this person"

I'm not sure on what sight meta is for submitting actions on behalf of inactive partners, so I don't think this means for sure two active wolves.

Nakah was online close to EOD he just didn't post. but he was reading the thread. You could see his username in the public viewers list, sunfan and I both commented on it. Who else are you counting as "inactive" here? FMPOV we don't have any true inactives who would be incapable of making a wolf kill or talking in wolf chat. everybody at least looked at the thread near phase change indicating they've been online and thinking about the game

I'm killing Nakah or watching Nakah die this shit is biblical how much I want him to die

I feel this in my soul, he has annoyed the shit out of me by not showing up and causing the game to be like this but I just don't know if it's actually the best idea

L Take; Blueberries absolutely rock
Another L Take: I would absolutely try to remember who all could know you hated blueberries (assuming wolves could have picked the fruit and it wasn't like host doing something idk)

I really like blueberries but I'm allergic to them ;_;

Reminder that we could have killed Nakah last phase instead of someone who was actually playing the fucking game and we wouldn't be in this situation where we have a dead slot who could lose us the game whenever they get modkilled

hindsight is 20/20
I maybe would have made a different choice if I'd known he wouldn't be replaced/modkilled but oh well
shure woulda been cool if nakah just actually posted OR POSTS NOW

[mellon_collie]

Re: TWG Turbo 39: Timing Error [GAME THREAD]

Looking back, I still feel pretty good that Arp's last post were them giving up as villager and just not trying. I think if they where wolf they would have panicked a lot more.

See I feel the opposite way, I find it's more common for wolves to give up/freeze when they are caught while humans tend to fight more til the end. Because wolves know in their heart you are right, they don't always have that passion that humans have. Humans KNOW YOU ARE WRONG AND REALLY WANT TO FIGHT TO PROVE THEY ARE RIGHT

idk, I just didn't see a lot of fight from Arp

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG Turbo 39: Timing Error [GAME THREAD]

So for both Raeko and SunFan: What was your thought process on them at this time?

on hopecaster?
he was probably the person I was most sure to be town. His work just felt incredibly genuine, in short, enough to override a straight contradiction in his response to me.

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG Turbo 39: Timing Error [GAME THREAD]

Looking back, I still feel pretty good that Arp's last post were them giving up as villager and just not trying. I think if they where wolf they would have panicked a lot more.

what do you think about my comment about the time-stamp of it
arp sure gave up early, like
it literally feels like arp *was* trying to live with that post

[Arp!]

Re: TWG Turbo 39: Timing Error [GAME THREAD]

aaa today's a busy day,,, got some homework and another exam to study for
also wow i can't believe i'm still alive after all that. i really hope i have the time to redeem myself today but i'll have to see how long it takes me to get stuff done

a little annoyed that nakah is still in the game. if they post today that'll make up for it in my eyes, but i would've probably wanted to vote for them had i known this would happen
i agree with leetic in that voting for them now would put us in a scary position if they flip town, so i don't really want to do that unless it's somehow the only viable option by EOD, which seems unlikely to me

sunfan getting a blueberry is interesting!
i assume a poisoned fruit can be sent to the malice wolf, so that doesn't entirely clear anyone who receives one?
if we could somehow confirm that the type of fruit isn't chosen by the host, lar might be onto something! it would certainly be an interesting coincidence otherwise,,,
but at the same time i feel like a wolf who knows that sunfan hates blueberries wouldn't out themself like that (in the event that sunfan knows they know...?)