My thoughts on the Rate Option

[YoshL]

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After reading foxfire's post, I think the arguments against having locked-in rates have more ground than the arguments for it. I was just trying to qualify the other position...you guys are quick to bash any position that isn't yours and assume your opponent is retarded.

i never assumed that, i was simply pointing out that one of the big counterarguments to your point was already posted, and you didn't really address that when stating your point.

i think it would be greatly appreciated that this stay a discussion without people getting offended about it.

sorry if my post came across overly as "you're dumb and so is your argument"

[benguino]

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I wasn't referring to you, yoshl. In fact, I made my post before even reading what you said lmfao (I've been ninja'd a few times in this thread already). I was stating that based on many of the posts seen in the first page of this thread (I'm not going to point any of them out specifically).

EDIT: The counter argument still doesn't eliminate the fact that having to wait around isn't fun for the person that has to wait. In either case. So regardless if rates are locked-in or not, it's not going to make a happy camper for everybody.

[foxfire667]

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Well, there is one valid point the OP made. If two people play in different rates, then one will surely finish before the other. And if it's a very long song that is being played, it is possible for one person to finish several minutes before the other person which may ruin the MP experience for some.

I haven't played MP in ages, but if I recall, you can see your opponent's PA as you're playing the song iirc? If that's the case, then the issue that rates have is that one person will be progressing through the song at a faster rate, so comparing your pa with the other person's as you are playing the song is somewhat worthless because you are comparing PA at two different points in the chart.

In response to the first point, I suppose that would be a problem if a person was forced to wait for several minutes when they didn't want to every time they played a file with someone, but that is simply not the case. The person who would be waiting here would be the one who specifically decided to increase the rate of the file, not the one playing on normal speed. This means that waiting for a player to finish would be a completely voluntary action, and if they didn't want to do it, they wouldn't. Also generally speaking, rates don't shave a song down to nearly nothing, I couldn't imagine players losing little more than 30 seconds on typical plays (not like 8+ minute files on crazy rates or anything). It is a little wait at times sure, but considering the general state of MP I would say it's significantly better than playing nothing at all with anyone.

In regards to viewing their PA, if I recall older engines allowed you to see the opponent's PA/arrows if you wanted, but it actually hindered play a bit by off-centering your receptors and showing two sets of the same song. I was more than happy to not have this feature active, and the general consensus I got when I told people in the past they could even mask the arrows in legacy was very positive. So basically, seeing people progress through the song at a faster rate shouldn't be much of an issue, because people seem to much prefer the single player format while playing with someone online. Sure they like to talk and compare results, but to see two sets of arrows and their respective PA's is not exactly an amazing feature that gets tons of use.

[YoshL]

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I wasn't referring to you, yoshl. In fact, I made my post before even reading what you said lmfao (I've been ninja'd a few times in this thread already). I was stating that based on many of the posts seen in the first page of this thread (I'm not going to point any of them out specifically).

EDIT: The counter argument still doesn't eliminate the fact that having to wait around isn't fun for the person that has to wait. In either case. So regardless if rates are locked-in or not, it's not going to make a happy camper for everybody.

wait, can you clarify one bit?

the person playing on rates will most likely be the higher level player. I personally don't see why i would mind waiting for a lower skill player to finish if i was using the rates? idk

[L.B.D.D]

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n1c3

[Rapta]

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wait, can you clarify one bit?

the person playing on rates will most likely be the higher level player. I personally don't see why i would mind waiting for a lower skill player to finish if i was using the rates? idk

When I play Mp, a majority of the lower skilled players I play seem to use Rates. When someone finishes before me, I really don't have the drive to keep going. I'm not sure if I am completely impatient or I just like the competition staying close all the time. I would change my rate to match if I were able to, but it doesn't work with Flash 9, and Flash 9 is the only version that works for me on Standalone.

[Wayward Vagabond]

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rates ruined dubstep

[ilikexd]

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rates ruined dubstep

>Implying Dubstep could be Ruined

[PrawnSkunk]

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rates ruined dubstep

if it's not 140bpm, it's not music.

[Coolboyrulez0]

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borgore permission pls

[L.B.D.D]

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ice cream

[justin_ator]

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cake?

[Ippikiryu]

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I'll just chip in that in osu, when you have free mods enabled (There are mods in osu that affect score, such as hidden) you can select any of them except doubletime/halftime for this reason.

[arcnmx]

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When MP gets updated, there will be a fancier/nicer way to see what rate your opponent has chosen, spectator mode won't be as glitchy (and will pick the right rate to watch at, etc.). However it won't be locked, because rates also work as a handicap option to make games more fair across players with different skill levels.

If you don't enjoy playing against players at a different rate, that's totally understandable. Part of the fun of MP is comparing your scores/performance to your opponent as you play. You'll just have to find opponents in your skill range that don't mind playing at the same rate as you.

[choof]

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rates ruined dubstep

jesse ruined dubstep