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Song Corrections Thread
Song Corrections Thread Table of content [1] Corrections [2] Guidelines [2.1] Conflicting sources [2.2] About song names [2.3] About artist names [2.4] About links [2.5] About music genres [3] Random stuff [4] Useful links [4.1] Romanization of Japanese [4.2] Other useful links [4.3] Song information [5] Past versions [1] Corrections See the Google Docs here - The is the first series of corrections concerning song titles, musicians and step authors. - To suggest a modification, a correction or precision, comment in this thread and I will change the document as soon as I can. - You can suggest modifications on genres and links, but they might be reserved for a later batch of corrections - The first column is the link towards the wiki for more information about the song - N219 : Noname219, CJ : Crazyjayde. - In Red : Very few or no information about the song - In Yellow : Some information but might still need a few more opinions on the correction - In Green : Enough information was gathered and the corrections is deemed accurate - In Grey : Classical songs, will be reserved for later
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[2] Guidelines
Most of the time, referrencing to canonical sources (official website, artist facebook, soundcloud, newgrounds) is encouraged. Music databases (Wikipedia, Discogs, Rate Your Music, VGMdb, etc.) are useful for additional information but we should be careful because they usually have their own set of rules for uniformity or convenience. For example, Discogs do not follow any capitalization rules to speed up approvals. Ultimately, those guidelines are not set in stone and can change. [2.1] Conflicting sources Having conflicting sources is common and can be frustating. Usually, we should be using the source closest to the artist's intention. If there's no way to figure this out, we can use capitalization rules. [2.2] About song names [2.3] About artist names [2.4] About links [2.5] About musical genres
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[3] Random stuff
- Substituting characters in-game is a non viable option for the moment. (confirmed by Velocity) - The current characters the engines can support can be viewed here. We could upgrade to Neuropol X Regular (at least in the old engines) to have more characters available. - The limits in characters for each field : ··········Song Name : 50 ··········Song Style : 20 ··········Song Author : 75 ··········Song Step Author : 75 ··········Song Step Author URL : 100 -- Longest titles (average 16.942, median 15) 146 I've Really Lost It Because This Shit Is Starting To Sound Like A Washed-Up, Half-Assed Fatboy Slim Ripoff With A Twelve Year Old's Sense Of Humor 63 Super Mario Brothers Theme (Original Nintendo Is Awesome Remix) 58 Holy Orders (Be Just or Be Dead) (Exploding Festival Ver.) 58 Touhou Judgment in the Sixtieth Year ~ Year of Sixty Years 57 New World Disorder (23's Orchestra Dubstyle Extravaganza) 57 Ofcourse you Need and nEed and neEd and neeD and NEED ME? 57 This Will Be the Day (James Landino's Magical Girl Remix) 54 Wonder Bullfighter~A Barcelona cuando florece la lira~ 53 Crash Up Against the Inevitable (Tatu on the Sun Mix) 53 OWA Raged at Kurorak for Making OWA Raged at Skeletor -- Longest Authors (average 11.299, median 10) 90 OSTER project feat. Hatsune Miku, Kagamine Rin, Kagamine Len, Megurine Luka, KAITO & MEIKO [will revise those 2 top ones] 62 OSTER project feat. Hatsune Miku, Kagamine Rin & Megurine Luka 52 Delerium remixed by FFmusic DJ feat. Sarah McLachlan 51 Square Bear and Anthony Castreuil remixed by Davian 51 DJ Donna Summer remixed by Nero's Day At Disneyland 46 GRITS & Justin Timberlake remixed by D.VELOPED 45 Charlotte Summer & jihnsius remixed by iPatcH 43 Underground Concept feat. Dedicated Servers 42 Strawberry Machine feat. YMCK & The Aprils 42 Paradise Decay feat. Nina Goddess of Dance - BIG THANKS to Crazyjayde who helped me for some of the entries. He definitely has more patience than I do for this stuff. If he had more time, I’m sure he would double-check all the list. - Huge thanks to bmah for the support and past work on the song list. - Thanks to everybody who contributed in making propositions and researches to improve the database. - Thanks to Velocity for the useful information and technical support.
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[4] Useful links
[4.1] Romanization of Japanese Another useful read on how that all works. When it comes to Japanese names, the best is to ask directly to someone that can translate Japanese names. Alternatively, there are some translators available on the web : Translator 1 Translator 2 [4.2] Other useful links - Internet Wayback Machine - VGMdb - Touhou Wiki - List of DDR Songs - FFR Shop on Wayback Machine - Classical Music Attribution - How to write classical Music titles [4.3] Song information - Ingame song information - Origins of Songs ✓ - Samples List ✓ - Sharpnel's Errors and Inconsistencies ✓ - SSH/Overall Song List Inconsistencies Debate ✓ - FFR Profiles of Musicians ✓ - Where To Find FFR's Music - Update ✓
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Re: Song Corrections Official Thread
Got two or three things to add. I'll try to be concise.
As far as the list goes, we realized the limits of having to work from an external point of view rather than being a part of the music producing community. So, our work consists ultimately as a verification of the information that are already being listed as of the FFR Song List. Thus, the author and the song name. That's all there is to it. ____________________ One of those limits is that we could not verify the concordance between the song's audio version present on the site, and the official release of the artist as it would have been too much time-consuming and money-consuming. As an additional corrector, I'm trying to localize songs that have been misnamed or have been mistaken for another, but it's still a demanding task. (see Elektrik Shiivers by Aliceffekt for instance) If you want to help, it would aid greatly if someone could be on the lookout for this kind of information. We will also be contacting musicians so that we can have their input on the information presented. Concerning the chaotic pattern with genres, as Noname said earlier, we could not do much more as to what is already integrated to the site, since we do not know the FFR position on creating a more methodical system for those. Also, since there is so much about it that we are clearly unaware of, the position of FFR is what matters the most (we would certainly not replace genres that the community consider relevant). Finally, we are reluctant to replace genres with more acceptable substitute, since most of the time it does not represent well enough the feeling of the song. For example: Press Start is labelled Click House and would have been replaced for Chiptune. In that sense, we will make a database of genres according to the RYM list of genres and our knowledge (http://rateyourmusic.com/rgenre/) At last, about those FFR artist profiles, since there is a lot of research to do on these (aliases to find, regroupments, new/old accounts), we will include them into the finished list unless it is a necessary source. I personally reckon they are often more reliable than social networking sites. That's another information that we need to rely on the community. (apart from the musician credits page) ____________________ As of now, my contribution stops at Aliceffekt, and goes on at random points throughout the list. (Letter C, D and E) If this list receives positive feedback, I plan on completing the verification. I consider myself an extremely meticulous and stubborn person when I do my researches (to the point that I dig really deep into anything). I reckon it might be exhaustive and detailed, but it is necessary. And so, if anybody has any objections on the changes, feel free to discuss. We're really trying to make the move for a better organized website. You will notice that this thread is a first draft, hence why we posted it early (and in time for the new year). We'll post the rest as the thread gets interest. Although the list is done from A-Z, as a whole, it's still a WIP, and heavily needs contribution. There is still a lot to do, but we believe this list will help into facilitating the task mods and admins are charged with. All there is left is the community contribution and agreement. In hope this initiative will help motivate changes to the site. (like the completion of the new tier point system. (talked too fast ) IMPORTANT: As we speak, I am preparing a file with all sources that explains why we are making such changes, that way it will be easier to discuss and take a position. Last edited by Crazyjayde; 01-2-2013 at 12:55 PM.. |
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For artists that are located on Newgrounds, it might be worthwhile to leave special characters out, as it usually is intentionally done for distinction in the audio portal.
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Agree on this.
Proposing minor changes to songs so it can ease the search query could really help. I mean it's a complicated matter regarding songs like R/\in and all. I don't know if there is any way of crediting the official song name on FFR or sorting out between alternative song names but it would be ideal. Still, there's some problems with special spelling: like -API- / API or Envy / EnV Last edited by Crazyjayde; 01-1-2013 at 04:12 PM.. |
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Don't forget that we don't need to have -API- changed to API. Those corrections only concern song names. As for those changes, if the name of the song makes it too difficult to be found in the engine via the search option, I think we should use an alt name. For cornandbeans, I don't believe it is necessary since we can simply write Rose to play {Rose} or A Change of Seasons to play {A Change of Seasons}. EDIT: Thinking about that, if we're sure the name wasn't written like this as part of the title, it should be changed.
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Thanks again for taking so much time in creating this list. Now I have a ton of stuff to amend (later on)...
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I really hope though that Velocity or Zageron could find a way to provide substitute values for a select few songs. That would definitely be preferable, not only in the correctness of the song, but ease in finding it too. And finally, I'd like to mention here that the Ingame Song Information thread is severely lacking in general publicity. It is a nearly dead thread, and I feel that proper, correct info should be more well-known. Whether someone wants to make a new thread, or have another innovative idea, I'd like some ideas. Quote:
What I'm thinking is to make a front page post to let everyone know that a number of changes were made to FFR's songs. They can then be directed to this thread and become informed. After a while, people will get to recognize songs by their proper titles for once. There'll definitely be a transitionary period before that happens though. Quote:
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e.g. "Click House" is really just 8-bit or glitchy/electronica music with a house beat - Press Start definitely has that distinct beat that other songs on FFR labelled as "Chiptune" doesn't have. Another thing to note is that some songs have genres as specified by the artist him/herself (e.g. the song genre for BEER is and WILL remain as "Collage Techno", not "College Techno" or "Techno" or anything else as such) or was originally derived from another rhythm game (e.g. Kick Your A is a remix of the song "A" from DDR/IIDX, and that song's genre is "Renaissance"). In other words, there will be some limitations when it comes to make genre changes. Quote:
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And now about some song artists:
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44teru-k : Was supposing those titles were translated since they are lowercases and the artist is Japanese.
5 OC Remixers : If we drop out Game Remix as a genre, then Pops should be used. But I really don't know what Pops is. Is it a derivative of Pop ? Toxic : I do think Post-Hardcore is an accurate genre for the song. As far as Hardcore (EDM) goes, I don't think it is very confusing. There's also Hardcore Hip Hop or Hardcore Punk which are two other genres that have no link whatsoever to Hardcore music. We could also use the Screamo tag. A. Dvorak : Was wondering why there's no classical composer with its full name. Is this to save space ? Antinomie : I found where the songs were featured (Electric Dreams 1 in 2003 and Electric Dreams 2 in 2003). They were probably composed earlier but I found no trace of that. Antinomie should then stay. BACO : Didn't work at all earlier this month. Now it works like a charm. Ieva's Polka (Basshunter Remix) : Is the genre more known as "Hands Up" ? BELUGA : Link still works (http://www.muzie.ne.jp/artist/a060881/). Muzie changed its domain from co.jp to ne.jp. That's where some of the mistakes in the links come from notably. Thanks for the link! I'll try to find more about him now I know a little bit more about him. Captain Jack : Information come solely from Discogs. Apparently, K.O.G is a remixer for Dancemania and Total Operator (dunno what those two are xD). championanwar : I'll try to contact him eventually. Constructor : The link leads me to his muzie page (http://www.muzie.ne.jp/artist/a016621/), this is where he submitted for the first time the song (back in 2005), with the exact same title. Also, for the translation issue, when it's a translation made by somebody other than the artist itself, should we meet capitalization ?
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I'll even quote something legit from the Urban Dictionary (out of all places): "A genre of trance music which typically ranges between 138 and 145 BPM. It has themes in common with Euro, Trance, Happy Hardcore, and Hardstyle. It is typically unpretentious; very poppy and commercial." Quote:
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I did not read anything in this thread, whats going on?
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Quick opinion on what I think would be preferable on what is discussed:
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Huge thanks for the links and info bmah, I'll look these up again before going down on the list. (still don't know how the f I missed 44teru-k's personal page) EDIT: About that Hardcore shenanigan. I believe Post-Hardcore and Hardcore as an EDM genre is not that big of a mixup. They both have been around long enough to be distinguishable. I get your point though. Might be because I'm not coming from an electronic background all that much. Last edited by Crazyjayde; 01-2-2013 at 01:09 AM.. |
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Let's definitely not start contacting artists. At this point, if someone kicks up a fuss upon seeing theirMusic here, we can point to permission given, but if they tell us to take it off the site because we reminded them... then bye bye song
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