Fixing Song Title Inconsistencies

[Coolboyrulez0]

Yup -- here to do what the title suggests seeing as his songs titles are grossly inconsistent and it's starting to bug me.

Too bad FFR doesn't really care and is not going to fix them because people know these songs under what they are called now even though it's incorrect in most cases -- still going to give it a shot. (ignorance is bliss!)

Going with official ID3tag mp3 names or if it's from albums with the databased names.



S.S.H:
Final Fantasy Last Battle Festival -> Final Fantasy IV, V, VII, IX ~ Last Battle Festival
Big Blue -> F-Zero ~ Big Blue
Holy Orders -> Guilty Gear ~ Holy Orders (Be Just or Be Dead) (Exploding Festival Ver.)
Radio Heads is correct? (not in my collection)
Momentary Life -> Guilty Gear ~ Momentary Life
Fake Jazz is correct
Brandish Headless -> Brandish ~ Headless or Brandish / Headless
Shining Sword is correct
Travel Demon -> Akumajou Dracula Series ~ Travel Demon (Medley)
Phantom Ensemble is correct
Big Blue v2 -> F-Zero ~ Big Blue v2
Dance and Zeal is correct
Night Walker is correct
Mermaid Island -> Higemaru Makaijima ~ Mermaid Island
Try to Star -> Gradius III ~ Try To Star
Nightrain is correct
Demon Beast Appearance -> Eiyuu Densetsu III ~ Demon Beast Appearance
VS Boss Battle -> Ai Senshi Nicol ~ VS Boss Battle (btw he has 3 different vs boss battle songs)
Since 1983 -> Black/Matrix ~ Since 1983

DJ Sharpnel:
Little God Channel -> Little God CH@Nnel or Little God Ch@nnel (he uses both depending on what album / compilation he appears)
Tori No Uta -> Torinouta (The Speedfreak's Noise Rave Remix)

t+pazolite:
R/\IN -> R∧IN (might not have special character but you should and it should be used)
of course you need... shortened because too long, okay.




Two things can be done to finally make things consistent.

Fix them all to the provided names, nice and easily
or
Stick with the remove Franchise idea and turn things like Brandish Headless to Headless and FFLBL to Last Battle Fantasy. (don't like this one)

PS: Feel free to comment or chime in any way. Btw no this didn't take too long to make, actually.

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

I'd like to see them titled properly because isn't that what we're supposed to be doing in the first place?

Also I recall I think it was Bmah in the TB chat saying there were a lot of misnamed songs in FFR.

[Coolboyrulez0]

I concur with you completely, Middie. We should respect the author and HIS naming imo.

Also yes bmah is correct there are some fixes needed to current song names... I do recall making a list when Tass was still admin but he basically ignored it and said it was of no big concern... prick.

[Winrar]

+1

[bmah]

I'm definitely going to change all incorrect song names in the near future. However, several older songs will require a name change that is nearly or completely different from their current names. Old-time players may struggle to recognize the names of the songs they were familiar with. As such, a front page announcement on these changes will probably be made.

It all starts by compiling a comprehensive list, so please help us out.



Note: songs with extremely long names cannot be fully encompassed, so they have been truncated. Don't bother with these ones.

[Coolboyrulez0]

Awesome news!

If you would like I could add some more changes of artists I personally know the song titles to be false. (to the current op)

I guess a re-naming of the thread should be in order then to not just limit it to SSH

[qqwref]

As for all those SSH names: nope, this is stupid. It's exactly like the debate we had several months back about renaming classical pieces - all you're doing is adding extra information (in this case, the name of the video game the original remix is from) that makes the song titles longer without making it any easier to find what you're looking for. We might as well start adding newgrounds ID numbers to all the generic techno songs on the site.

As for Sharpnel: Good call, those two should be fixed

[Coolboyrulez0]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

so does that mean foreign language song titles are going to be all either translated into english or left in their native languages or romaji or whatevs?

I personally prefer the kanji but I think the game might not be capable of handling these (which it's 2012 -- every flash game I know supports foreign characters and special characters)

if not romaji I'd assume.

[bmah]

List everything you can find, but be aware that not everything may be fixed, due to redundancy, overly long song names, etc. For instance, it looks like many S.S.H. song titles include the game name the song originated from, which seems rather unnecessary and in some cases, too long.

[Coolboyrulez0]

Originally Posted by qqwref

As for all those SSH names: nope, this is stupid. It's exactly like the debate we had several months back about renaming classical pieces - all you're doing is adding extra information (in this case, the name of the video game the original remix is from) that makes the song titles longer without making it any easier to find what you're looking for. We might as well start adding newgrounds ID numbers to all the generic techno songs on the site.

Wrong -- it's the actual song names given by the artist not "extra information" lmfao

at least make them consistent by adding all or remove all game prefixes not this hodgepodge of half-this, half-that.

also yes all the classical pieces SHOULD be fixed they are atrocious but seeing as I am not an expert in that specific field of music I'll leave it to more capable persons to fix it.

Also, bmah... What to do about wrong ARTISTS? haha (I know 2 cases right off of my head)

[qqwref]

Originally Posted by Coolboyrulez0

I personally prefer the kanji

because it's sooooo awesome to try to talk about songs with titles written in unreadable ideograms

Originally Posted by Coolboyrulez0

Wrong it's the actual song names given by the artist not "extra information" lmfao

No, it's definitely extra information. For instance, "F-Zero ~ Big Blue v2". Obviously they're just listing the game name (and I guess in some cases the actual composer) first - the title of the song itself is Big Blue v2 (-> Big Blue for FFR purposes, since we use v# to signify chart versions). Just because they choose to label their songs that way doesn't mean that's the way the song titles ought to be written.

[Coolboyrulez0]

Originally Posted by qqwref

because it's sooooo awesome to try to talk about songs with titles written in unreadable ideograms


No, it's definitely extra information. For instance, "F-Zero ~ Big Blue v2". Obviously they're just listing the game name (and I guess in some cases the actual composer) first - the title of the song itself is Big Blue v2 (-> Big Blue for FFR purposes, since we use v# to signify chart versions). Just because they choose to label their songs that way doesn't mean that's the way the song titles ought to be written.

Lmfao dude what's wrong with your attitude.

God are you an annoying poster, holy shit -- I said romaji is perfectly fine unless you dont know what that means.

also mfw you dictate the artist how to label their songs... are you this dumb or just trolling? (ps: i addressed this in both ways possible and you fail to read that removal is totally a valid option. oops illiteracy fail)

I can call my next tune "qqwref is a ****** - super mario. bros theme remix (CBR edit)" and you can't do shit about it.

@MrPop: yeah I think so too but isn't it sad that a (flash) game in 2012 can't support special characters? haha

[TC_Halogen]

Mermaid Island -> Higemaru Makaijima ~ Mermaid Island

Being that you actually know the title of this song, I feel like it's necessary to ask you if you have this song. I got this song from a ITG pack (Tachyon Alpha) and converted the .ogg (already lossy) to .mp3 (even more lossy). Do you have a better quality audio file that could be added to the .swf?

I can take the beatbox and adjust the audio as necessary so that it can be added to the game without issues, it would just be up to bmah/JX to add it for me.

[Plan_Bsk81127]

I dont see a point in this. The songs are just fine how they are now.

[qqwref]

For anyone who's having trouble following, my argument is essentially this: it's more important for titles to be useful to players than for them to be "technically correct". Whenever there's a conflict between those two - and this is one of those times - useful titles should always come first.

Originally Posted by Coolboyrulez0

Lmfao dude what's wrong with your attitude.

God are you an annoying poster, holy shit -- I said romaji is perfectly fine unless you dont know what that means.

also mfw you dictate the artist how to label their songs... are you this dumb or just trolling? (ps: i addressed this in both ways possible and you fail to read that removal is totally a valid option. oops illiteracy fail)

I can call my next tune "qqwref is a ****** - super mario. bros theme remix (CBR edit)" and you can't do shit about it.

umad?

[Coolboyrulez0]

Nice flame baiting, enjoy your 3 day ban. Bye, now stop gaying up my thread -- you aren't wanted here. (or at all in this community, really)

PS: Are you even hearing your argument? You are basically saying if a book has a certain title that is too complex for the community or the community does not enjoy it should be changed or simplified? It should ALWAYS be the artist's /authors intended title, period. End of discussion because there isn't one. You are arguing the impossible and know you are wrong.

[DossarLX ODI]

The names used in FFR need to appeal the to players -- considering that this site only allows english (and almost everyone on here knows some english), it would make sense to use english titles rather than unreadable kanji. Kanji takes a ridiculous amount of time to learn and also requires special language packs to display properly on your computer screen; however, in the following paragraph, I explain why using special characters is a big no-no.

Something as simple as ~Absolute Zero~ for example, the tildes appear as boxes ingame. Changing song titles to kanji would make the song titles unreadable and utterly useless to the player. It would be just as bad as having no title at all.

If I'm searching for a song title, I want the song title, not a bunch of extra information. qqwref explained this pretty well, but his point is being distorted. The artist provides this information for anyone interested in the origin, not to make titles cumbersome.

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by Plan_Bsk81127

I dont see a point in this. The songs are just fine how they are now.

It's mostly for the sake of consistency when comparing the actual titles that the artist has put out. Everyone on the site knows the songs as they are, but that make them right either.

It's just like Kidney Stone, which should be A Kidney Stone. The song was created for a very large ITG tournament with the intent of being at the end of a stamina course. When people passed it, they would be able to say that they passed a kidney stone, while being punny toward the song name, haha.

I personally feel like discrepancies like this should be taken care of, for accuracy's sake.

[DossarLX ODI]

To elaborate more with an example: If I told someone to play the song, I wouldn't say Final Fantasy Four Five Seven Nine Last Battle Festival, I would say Final Fantasy Last Battle Festival. Now if the person was curious as to what games were included, THEN you could tell them to check the artist's website and obtain the information from there.

Honestly, this just makes the titles unnecessarily cumbersome. Rather than change the titles to these, this information should be provided in the Ingame Song Information Thread. Whatever happened to this thread, anyway? It's been dead forever.

[Coolboyrulez0]

Oh dossar, don't get me wrong at all -- that's an approach that's fine but the way he delivered his statement calling my idea "stupid" and using dry sarcasm to push his idea was a bit uncalled for, don't you say. I would have welcomed his deviation of opinions with open arms would he had just taken the proper approach like Plan and yourself.

Remember, treat others how you want to be treated. Post like shit, get owned by CBR on the forums. Pretty easy, right?

We'll let the higher ups here decide -- I stand behind the "purist" idea of wishing to convene the original meaning of the piece by using the artist given title... that is all.