TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

I definitely wondered if you were, to be honest. You didn't counterclaim, so that locked sunfan in my eyes. As for you, it's why I was curious about your low ranking of Raeko in your eod stuff that you shared while including them despite them being solved. I figured you might think something we don't enough to kill her, but sunfan filled that exact question. It's also unlikely she was the night kill over roundbox because she was 50-50 to most as said before.

That *does* affect my reading of you, however. I kind of softed you as a blue when asked about my reading, but now I hate everyone for different reasons xD

show me where you softed to her pls

[Hateandhatred]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

sven; roundbox's point on your d1 kinda makes me feel not as good about you

Yeah it sucked ass and while I've talked about it I can't deny it looks bad. I can't really say more about it, it's just unfortunate. I spent a giant ass paragraph talking about it and listing the circumstancial reasons why I "ignored" it when he *directly* called me out, but I can't make it suck less. That's just the pudding, but I'm still trying to win

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

Yeah we're not not wagoning sunfan because mml and haku aren't here to counterclaim, that's silly. But again, using experience and stuff, he's not faking, I'm sure. mostly a gut feeling, but

Does sunfan typically not fakeclaim stuff, in your experience with him? I personally have no idea, don't have specific enough meta on him toknow that!!!!



Sorry, I just can't quite get it out of my mind; it's really annoying because I know I'll just move on in 15 minutes, just can't quite get this bit of paranoia out of my head and it's really distracting me!!

[the sun fan]

I want to vote leetic (well I guess I already am) for a reason so stupid I don't even want to say it

[leetic]

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Unvote


Leetic, where are you at now in general? Also... I don't know, mechanics thoughts? Were you trying to do anything, with regards to you expressing uncertainty about which nightkill was which?

If it's not sunfan, then Hate is the obvious next choice, but Hate doesn't really fit well with Lar or Haku so it'd have to be you? Haku doesn't really fit with anyone other than sunfan, and I guess MML/Ara isn't something I can rule out either? It's complicated

I was playing a bit ambiguously to provide PR cover of course, but I don't think it's much beyond that? Haku did have a post which stated confidently that roundbox was the wolfkill but I don't think it moves the needle too much on their slot.

Kinda wish they'd claimed earlier, trying to reevaluate but there's not much time

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Does sunfan typically not fakeclaim stuff, in your experience with him? I personally have no idea, don't have specific enough meta on him toknow that!!!!



Sorry, I just can't quite get it out of my mind; it's really annoying because I know I'll just move on in 15 minutes, just can't quite get this bit of paranoia out of my head and it's really distracting me!!

the one thing sven might mention about a fakeclaim; I was vanilla town in that game (and my gambit worked!!!)

[Hateandhatred]

Sunfan I'll get you the quotes gimme a second

Ara I would say he does in the weirdest fucking situations. This is not one of them. I've seen him hardclaim PR as a VT, but it was very circumstancial, not a gamble like it would be here. He's not the kinda player to do that in my experience, but I'm the least experienced player here. I've never seen him fakeclaim as wolf either.

[leetic]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

I want to vote leetic (well I guess I already am) for a reason so stupid I don't even want to say it

Lame

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

Sunfan I'll get you the quotes gimme a second

Ara I would say he does in the weirdest fucking situations. This is not one of them. I've seen him hardclaim PR as a VT, but it was very circumstancial, not a gamble like it would be here. He's not the kinda player to do that in my experience, but I'm the least experienced player here. I've never seen him fakeclaim as wolf either.

just know that if I don't see the qupte(s) before EOD, I am voting you

[leetic]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

Sunfan I'll get you the quotes gimme a second

Ara I would say he does in the weirdest fucking situations. This is not one of them. I've seen him hardclaim PR as a VT, but it was very circumstancial, not a gamble like it would be here. He's not the kinda player to do that in my experience, but I'm the least experienced player here. I've never seen him fakeclaim as wolf either.

The question is would he realistically have other options here?

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

I definitely wondered if you were, to be honest. You didn't counterclaim, so that locked sunfan in my eyes. As for you, it's why I was curious about your low ranking of Raeko in your eod stuff that you shared while including them despite them being solved. I figured you might think something we don't enough to kill her, but sunfan filled that exact question. It's also unlikely she was the night kill over roundbox because she was 50-50 to most as said before.

That *does* affect my reading of you, however. I kind of softed you as a blue when asked about my reading, but now I hate everyone for different reasons xD

I've been trying very hard to keep Freikugel cover; while my previous reasoning was still true, a secret part of why I kept the Raeko read in my EoD reads was because it coincidentially lined up with what I thought was the obvious Freikugel shot... was very careful with the wording about it, hoping mafia would read it as a soft!!!


Also was why I was avoiding the entire Freikugel discussion just an hour or two ago, was attempting to emit "Freikugel trying not to let anything slip" vibes!!!!

[the sun fan]

I don't have many good non w/w reads but here's what I feel like I got

ara/sven not w/w 700
sven/leetic now w/w 276




lar/leetic not w/w 68?
lar/ara not w/w 185?




lar/ara more w/w 69

and obviously the thing on ara/lar is contradictory

[the sun fan]

ara ngl you talking about your cover makes me like you a bit more
thanks I know that is your goal as a wolf and all
idk
words

thanks

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

Sunfan I'll get you the quotes gimme a second

Ara I would say he does in the weirdest fucking situations. This is not one of them. I've seen him hardclaim PR as a VT, but it was very circumstancial, not a gamble like it would be here. He's not the kinda player to do that in my experience, but I'm the least experienced player here. I've never seen him fakeclaim as wolf either.

Okay, good enough; I'll lock the paranoia away for the next 8 minutes at least!!!!

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Okay, good enough; I'll lock the paranoia away for the next 8 minutes at least!!!!

i have never fakeclaimed in my entire life

[Hateandhatred]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

In either case, it implies the Freikugel acted on their own accord and not to solve something Town was particularly curious about (raeko was 50-50 to me and ara, I think? But she was in bugkid's trust list, much like roundbox who was basically in everyone's), but instead acted either on a gut feeling or more interestingly on something they saw that escaped us. I really wish I just knew what they were thinking, it could potentially be helpful.

Speaking of which, in post #402, Ara posted an updated reads list. I think it pretty much reflects the current state of the game, but somehow put raeko with me in the bottom. I don't think they were particularly suspicious of her prior, just putting her in the middle, which echoes my feelings, mostly because she's just a very difficult player to read. I'm going to refrain from judging this directly because I was critical of bugkid from shifting the same way and it backfired, but it's interesting they would post this even after the flip. I just don't really know what to think of it, so Ara, can you elaborate? You said you liked her bug vote the least, and I can see why, but we were the two wagons and she specifically started liking my post more when I started responding directly. Is there anything else?

The part in bold was implying the freikugel. I made it soft so I wouldn't call out the Freikugel openly and PR hunt for the wolves.

And when asked about reads:

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

I'm cool with ara right now! I was rather indifferent to her, but she gives me the most "I'm trying to solve town". I'm sad that she doesn't seem to follow my logic either but at least I don't get the impression that there's any protection going on, we just don't see the game the same way.

I didn't bring up the Freikugel obviously for the same reason, but she's been mostly solved for me. Except now, she isn't

[the sun fan]

I don't get the soft at all but w/e

[the sun fan]

people seem to just be waiting for me to declare the kill or something idk

[the sun fan]

god I really think leetic is a good kill from like
exactly my line of sight

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

I want to vote leetic (well I guess I already am) for a reason so stupid I don't even want to say it

I sort of want to vote Leetic as well, for not-stupid reasons I hope?

Just like, the PR or mafia dichotomy I was considering earlier was bugging me a lot, and it would make a few other things make sense with regards to PR-hunting, also part of the reason for the PR or mafia dichotomy is because if he isn't the Freikugel, then his blatantly asking for the Raeko or roundbox thoughts aren't keeping in mind any cover at all, which is a bit of a ping!!!!

...I don't know though, still think a lot of his engagement/poking people and stuff has been really towny though!!!!!!

Anyways share the stupid reason please, you have to say it now!!!!!!