Rock Band 2

[Afrobean]

The more dedicated the kits' pads get, the less flexibility there is, and at that point you ought to just skip the middle man and buy a midi drum kit.

I disagree. Even with additional dedicated pads, it's not as stiff as you're thinking. Cymbals could still collapse and change around as the song dictates, the pedal could be used as either a second kick or as a pedal for a hihat. Even the tom pads could be different types of toms depending on the song-- they could even be put in place of other instruments such as cowbells or woodblocks or tambourines. I'm not saying things shouldn't be condensed at all; I'm saying the way it is now is TOO condensed.

And yes, what I'm describing is basically a very simple edrum adapted instead into a video game controller, and thus, lacking the brain components that would make it a functional kit on it's own, and instead have the guts of a controller in its place. But is that such a bad thing? People have even adapted the current RB drum kit into a musical instrument in its own right, even if its too simple to do anything of any true value with it. Hell, people have adapted Guitar Hero controllers to function as midi controllers. Does this mean the GH controller is too complicated? Is it so bad to have a special controller for a rhythm game which could be adapted into a musical instrument? I'd say that's a very good thing for the gameplay of the game, because if the tool is nearly functional as an instrument on its own, it increases the functionality of its ability to perform within the constraints of the game.

Originally Posted by EnR

Having 1 snare, 3 toms, 3 cymbals and 2 bass pedals would be way to hard to read off the television because there would be so much **** going on at once

Not really. It would be very easy to have colors shared between toms and cymbals, and the way to read it would be a difference of the note that scrolls down. Like, a circle would be a cymbal of a color, while a square would be a drum head of that color. This sort of solution would also make it easier to justify playing on the RB1 sets, because all that would need to be done is to ignore the differences of scrolled notes... basically, it could uncondense the setup of the current kit for the next generation, while also making it condense-able on the fly for anyone playing on the previous set.

Originally Posted by Biff_tech

Or is it....

Topic: How about instead of focusing on the number of pads they should focus on the quality of them, Because face it there is to many flaws with the rb setup.
- The end pads (red and green) need better support, yellow and blue are fine they have a fairly sturdy base.
- This Plastic piece that holds the sensor in.... No I broke the censor protector within a week.
- Metal Kick.. or even a metal plate..
- The Metal poles at the bottom suck they a pain in the ass to get in and they hardly work. They should just use a clip or something.
- I also wouldn't mind if they got rid of the patch cord for the headset.
- Also did I mention Metal kick.

All the things you're alluding to would be better functioned as a high end extra peripheral. That would probably cost like 2x as much as the standard one. Metal costs a lot more to work with than plastic.

I agree though. I would love to see first part high end peripherals mass produced. You've no idea how much I'd love to have a guitar controller with metal frets on a wooden fingerboard. That would be amazing, even if I hardly ever play with it. And I've got tons of disposable income, so you know I'd totally drop a couple hundred on this in an instant.

I really hope they loosen the timing windows a tiny bit...

I think the underlying problem you're getting at is the fact that as notes appear closer and closer together, the window on each one gets smaller and smaller. I'd rather have a straight window on each note, and honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing variable judgements on each note hit as well. I know the tonal release on it would probably have to be the same regardless of judgement (due to the fact it only plays from a master file, rather than making it "keysounded"), but this would also open the door for more competitive play. Just think of how competitive FFR would be if there was only "Perfect" and "Miss". If you just combo through the song, it'd be the same as a AAA.

[Tps222]

**** all that and just add a keyboard/synth into it : P

[EnR]

Originally Posted by Biff_tech

Or is it....

Topic:
- Metal Kick.. or even a metal plate..
- Also did I mention Metal kick.

http://www.amazon.com/Rock-Band-Bass.../dp/B00133ELQM

Oh would you look at that, you can buy metal pedals.

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

I think the underlying problem you're getting at is the fact that as notes appear closer and closer together, the window on each one gets smaller and smaller. I'd rather have a straight window on each note, and honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing variable judgements on each note hit as well. I know the tonal release on it would probably have to be the same regardless of judgement (due to the fact it only plays from a master file, rather than making it "keysounded"), but this would also open the door for more competitive play. Just think of how competitive FFR would be if there was only "Perfect" and "Miss". If you just combo through the song, it'd be the same as a AAA.

I think variable judgments is nice, but when you take into account of a large amount of notes coming, the variable judgment would shrink, wouldn't it?

I guess this would explain why the individual notes tend to get harder to hit as the song gets faster. I remember how pissed I got when playing DFTR EX drums, and well, the drum part preceding the solo kicked my ASS. XD

Originally Posted by EnR

http://www.amazon.com/Rock-Band-Bass.../dp/B00133ELQM

Oh would you look at that, you can buy metal pedals.

The LAN that I play Counter-Strike and such at, has all three of the current-gen consoles, and the XBOX 360 has Rock Band. The whole set is bolted down to a sort of "platform" that extends upward a few inches, and the bass pedal is metal.

[Biff_tech]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

All the things you're alluding to would be better functioned as a high end extra peripheral. That would probably cost like 2x as much as the standard one. Metal costs a lot more to work with than plastic.

I agree though. I would love to see first part high end peripherals mass produced. You've no idea how much I'd love to have a guitar controller with metal frets on a wooden fingerboard. That would be amazing, even if I hardly ever play with it. And I've got tons of disposable income, so you know I'd totally drop a couple hundred on this in an instant.

I'm not talking about the guitar at all, I'm just saying that a Plate of metal Shouldn't increase the price all that much. Also like I said i'm sure many people including myself broke the pedal in like 3 weeks.

Originally Posted by EnR

http://www.amazon.com/Rock-Band-Bass.../dp/B00133ELQM

Oh would you look at that, you can buy metal pedals.

Omg could I really, o wait it's amazon which means I need a credit card, and then I have to wait 2-4 weeks and probably attach it my self really could I that would be so helpful. I already knew I could go through the trouble of buying a metal one online.
I'm just saying it should come prepackaged and as for the increase in price, Well that doesn't really exist because you would still need to buy a metal plate anyways especially in canada were sending in a broken pedal cost $150 till you get it back and I don't have that kinda of money to put on hold.

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by Tps222

**** all that and just add a keyboard/synth into it : P

Wouldn't be applicable for most songs, particularly ones from RB1.

I'd almost rather say they should add a turntable that'd play like Spin It Up that produces a chart on the fly based on the final mix of the music. Or have certain songs marked as supporting it and have special charts made for them (such as, oh, I dunno, that older Linkin Park song rumored to be included in the main list).

But even that wouldn't work well. I'd say they have their bases covered pretty well with guitar (plus bass guitar), drums, and vocals. I wouldn't mind seeing a full keyboard simulator game on it's own, with support on the side (for certain songs) for future RB systems, but as a standard insert to the RB band setup, I'd say it wouldn't ever really work, nor would anything else really. You might as well be arguing for horns or something. ACTUALLY LET'S GET SOME ****ING HORNS IN HERE THAT WOULD BE SO KEWL

Originally Posted by EnR

http://www.amazon.com/Rock-Band-Bass.../dp/B00133ELQM

Oh would you look at that, you can buy metal pedals.

Yeah, you could also create something yourself of similar quality for a couple bucks and a little bit of work. Or you could steal a butterknife and duct tape it to the thing for next to nothing.

I would say that what most people want is first party products of higher quality, not mods, not third party.

ps thought you might want to see this:
http://kotaku.com/397936/rumor-dueli...d-2-tracklists

Immediately upon purchasing Rock Band 2 you'll have the ability to download a huge library of songs, as well as all of the songs off of the original disc as a free download.

This sounds both amazing and stupid of them to do. The old versions of Guitar Hero still sell relatively well, I'm sure, because those are the only way to get those older setlists. If every song from every game of GH were available online to the most recent incarnation, they'd be selling way less copies of games, AND have to have extended/modified contracts for it.

I think a better way to handle this, at least from a business perspective and while maintaining the "you can play RB1 songs on RB2" thing, would be to install the songs onto the harddrive right from the getgo. It'd burn harddrive space, I'll admit, but it opens the door to not need special contracts for the songs as DLC when they've already been established in another medium.

[Squeek]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

http://kotaku.com/397936/rumor-dueli...d-2-tracklists

This sounds both amazing and stupid of them to do. The old versions of Guitar Hero still sell relatively well, I'm sure, because those are the only way to get those older setlists. If every song from every game of GH were available online to the most recent incarnation, they'd be selling way less copies of games, AND have to have extended/modified contracts for it.

I think a better way to handle this, at least from a business perspective and while maintaining the "you can play RB1 songs on RB2" thing, would be to install the songs onto the harddrive right from the getgo. It'd burn harddrive space, I'll admit, but it opens the door to not need special contracts for the songs as DLC when they've already been established in another medium.

If it's FREE and Rock Band 2 on Wii isn't gimped, I'll jump ship to RB2 if I ever feel like wasting $200 on a single game.

The most important part about that link is that there are two complete track lists, despite being rumors.

[ddranthony92]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

I think a better way to handle this, at least from a business perspective and while maintaining the "you can play RB1 songs on RB2" thing, would be to install the songs onto the harddrive right from the getgo. It'd burn harddrive space, I'll admit, but it opens the door to not need special contracts for the songs as DLC when they've already been established in another medium.

Also i would have to say most eople like me have 20gb Hard drives which after all the DLC we buy and the whole RB1 one there we probably fill it up, and to pay $100+ for a new hard drive isn't easy.

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by ddranthony92

Also i would have to say most eople like me have 20gb Hard drives which after all the DLC we buy and the whole RB1 one there we probably fill it up, and to pay $100+ for a new hard drive isn't easy.

Uh, no, buying a new harddrive is very easy.

1. Go to store.
2. Find harddrive on shelf.
3. Pick up harddrive.
4. Take harddrive to checkout.
5. Tender cash in exchange for the harddrive.

If you mean "I don't want to spend 100$ on a larger harddrive", then consider what you'd be spending on a game. Consider that a harddrive is more open-ended in terms of data storage than a DVD. Also: i hate you.

[ddranthony92]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

Uh, no, buying a new harddrive is very easy.

1. Go to store.
2. Find harddrive on shelf.
3. Pick up harddrive.
4. Take harddrive to checkout.
5. Tender cash in exchange for the harddrive.

If you mean "I don't want to spend 100$ on a larger harddrive", then consider what you'd be spending on a game. Consider that a harddrive is more open-ended in terms of data storage than a DVD. Also: i hate you.

What i meant was Money is not an easy thing to get, sorry my post wasn't clear enough.

[Afrombean]

Originally Posted by ddranthony92

What i meant was Money is not an easy thing to get, sorry my post wasn't clear enough.

Money is very easy to get. You're doing it wrong.

[Telvanni_guard]

It's harder to get a steady income at a younger age. It's still pretty easy to make money mowing grass or doing extra things around the house. Depends on how stiff your parents are and your financial situation.

[dore]

More confirmed info, via http://e3.gamespot.com/story.html?si...=hotslot;img;1 from E3.

-Online BWT
-Restructured solo mode (including bass!)
-Online challenges (HMX played FFR?)
-Battle of the Bands
-Quickplay setlists
-Quieter, velocity-sensitive drumpads
-More confirmed songs:

"Ace of Spades" -- Motörhead
"Everlong" -- Foo Fighters
"Pinball Wizard" -- The Who
"Panic Attack" -- Dream Theater
"Any Way You Want It" -- Journey
"Chop Suey" -- System of a Down
"Kids in America" -- The Muffs
"Give It Away" -- Red Hot Chili Peppers
"Hello There" -- Cheap Trick
"Pump It Up" -- Elvis Costello

[Tokzic]

"Chop Suey" -- System of a Down
"Give It Away" -- Red Hot Chili Peppers
"Panic Attack" -- Dream Theater

YES

EDIT:

Originally Posted by HMX, about drums

Although it won't have any additional pads

NO ;_;

[Afrobean]

More pads aren't what we need.

Additional pedal is. Additional cymbals would be great too.

But no more pads are needed. They've got drum heads covered already.

[Tokzic]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

Additional cymbals would be great too.

cymbals are pads

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by Tokzic

cymbals are pads

I disagree.

Compare:


to:


Or: no, you're pads.

[t-rogdor]

Originally Posted by dore

Also, some dude just posted on RB SH this list:

Chop Suey - Soad

DO WANT

[Squeek]

It turns out that having RB1 songs as free DLC in RB2 was just speculation.

Don't get your hopes up.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/08/ru...s-as-free-dlc/

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by Squeek

It turns out that having RB1 songs as free DLC in RB2 was just speculation.

Don't get your hopes up.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/08/ru...s-as-free-dlc/

I thought it sounded like a strange business choice... why the hell would a person in the industry say that sort of thing if it wasn't true though?