Novo Mundo [10 vs. 11]

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  • TC_Halogen
    Rhythm game specialist.
    FFR Simfile Author
    FFR Music Producer
    • Feb 2008
    • 19376

    #1

    Novo Mundo [10 vs. 11]

    This is one file argument I'd like to see settled. Some people fight for it as a low 11, but almost everyone agrees that it's a borderline file.

    I can't for the life of me score well on this file consistently, but I think it should be dropped to a VC. What do you guys think?
  • V-Ormix
    Banned
    • Aug 2008
    • 4677

    #2
    Re: Novo Mundo [10 vs. 11]

    I really believe this to be a low 11, that jump before the roll I had never known was there for many years till I watched a replay of it...

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    • 00Razor00
      FFR Player
      • Jul 2006
      • 3530

      #3
      Re: Novo Mundo [10 vs. 11]

      The rolls are so slow to PA for me. Otherwise, everything else is piss easy. I'd say a 10.


      Originally posted by t-rogdor
      hey buddy are you looking for a good song to step because if so i really recommend you step In Front Of A Bus

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      • rushyrulz
        Digital Dancing!
        FFR Simfile Author
        FFR Music Producer
        • Feb 2006
        • 12985

        #4
        Re: Novo Mundo [10 vs. 11]

        low eleven IMO, those 32nd bursts have screwed me up many-a-time, not to mention the awkward transition into the roll and the roll itself. I'm sure there will be a nice back and forth in this thread :P
        Last edited by nois-or-e; 01-4-2012, 02:42 PM.


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        • smartdude1212
          2 is poo
          FFR Simfile Author
          • Sep 2005
          • 6687

          #5
          Re: Novo Mundo [10 vs. 11]

          This is by far an 11. The sandwich-like jumpstream and the long roll and the few minijacks make it so.

          I really never understood how this could be a 10.

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          • Xx{Midnight}xX
            FFR Player
            • Aug 2007
            • 8548

            #6
            Re: Novo Mundo [10 vs. 11]

            If this chart is kept as an 11 the only reasons for that would be the fact it's awkward off beat and the 1 roll.

            I vote it as a 10. This chart isn't dense enough in the center for the difficulty to remain a constant 11. Because of the drop and the easier intro I say 10. Also: Half those 32nds don't feel like they should be there... But being the maker of the song should be able to step it better than anyone in terms of noting all the sounds I've never really mentioned it.

            PS: Someone should resync it. It's off slightly.

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            • rushyrulz
              Digital Dancing!
              FFR Simfile Author
              FFR Music Producer
              • Feb 2006
              • 12985

              #7
              Re: Novo Mundo [10 vs. 11]

              This is a highly subjective file, very easy for some, super difficult for others. I didn't even nail this until I had 4 or 5 FMOs under my belt already and I had been sincerely trying to AAA this file in particular for the better part of 2 years. (I actually blackflagged it in 2009 when it unlocked oni and never fixed it til 2011.)


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              • TC_Halogen
                Rhythm game specialist.
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                • Feb 2008
                • 19376

                #8
                Re: Novo Mundo [10 vs. 11]

                Something noteworthy about this song is that it has a triple digit AAA count. That might be grounds for a drop to a 10 too.

                EDIT: Hmm, didn't notice that Rottel-Da-Station falls under this scenario, although that's another file that I believe is a 10 as well (see Lunar Saturation, which has fairly similar pattern structure to the hardest sections of Rottel).

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                • smartdude1212
                  2 is poo
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 6687

                  #9
                  Re: Novo Mundo [10 vs. 11]

                  Lolo has 53 AAAs and Reality has 50 but they're still FGO.

                  I realize Lolo is one of the supposed borderline difficulties but I thought I'd point this out.

                  Edit: On the topic of Rottel, it's a file that was an 11 because of avmisses. Just like Sympathizer, which is made easier when you don't have to worry about 4-framers and shit, it could easily be dropped to a 10.
                  Last edited by smartdude1212; 01-4-2012, 02:50 PM.

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                  • rushyrulz
                    Digital Dancing!
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    FFR Music Producer
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 12985

                    #10
                    Re: Novo Mundo [10 vs. 11]

                    People are getting better so the AAA counts go up, however that doesn't make the actual chart itself any less difficult.

                    Choprite, Going on Spring Wind, and BB Evolution have AAA counts that are up there as well and I can't seem to AAA any of them.

                    EDIT: Rottel is probably a different thread, but I know that song screws with tons of people, be it the weird ass intro, the difficult sandwich patterns, or the split jumptrill patterns and is a firm 11 IMO.


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                    • Sky Kitten
                      meowmix
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                      • Aug 2007
                      • 1089

                      #11
                      Re: Novo Mundo [10 vs. 11]

                      I think with some files, because of how many people have AAA'd them, they just assume the file itself is too easy and therefore it gets dropped a difficulty.

                      I think that should never be a factor for dropping/bumping up files.

                      To be on topic with Novo Mundo, song's a bit offsync and there are bursts and the occasional spots that throw you off and of course the rollllllllllllllls.

                      It should stay as low-11.


                      FMO AAAs (22): Heavenly Spores, .357 Magnum, Pure Ruby, VS Boss Battle, Black, You Goddamn Fish, Faint Breath, Epilogue, Crimson Flood, Zombie Killing Blood Spilling, Saffron City (offline), Fast Asleep, R2, Her Majesty, Defection, Happy Meal, Bit Blue, Stupor of Peace, Tightwad, Progressive jikuu shoujo! Urashima Taroko-chan!, Annihilator Method, Skyfire Ace

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                      • Xx{Midnight}xX
                        FFR Player
                        • Aug 2007
                        • 8548

                        #12
                        Re: Novo Mundo [10 vs. 11]

                        Originally posted by rushyrulz
                        People are getting better so the AAA counts go up, however that doesn't make the actual chart itself any less difficult.
                        Oh my god this is true.

                        Lowering a chart due to AAA count should ALWAYS be out of the question for this reason.

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                        • rushyrulz
                          Digital Dancing!
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          FFR Music Producer
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 12985

                          #13
                          Re: Novo Mundo [10 vs. 11]

                          Continue Rottel discussion here. (after it gets approved, I guess)


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                          • Emithith
                            FFR Player
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 1784

                            #14
                            Re: Novo Mundo [10 vs. 11]

                            There are a few VCs that are harder than Novo, and I feel that if it were an 11 it wouldn't make sense.

                            Didj PVC
                            Beaudmagen or whatever it is

                            those are a couple anyway. Make it a 10 already dammit.

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                            • Anaru
                              Banned
                              • Dec 2011
                              • 1530

                              #15
                              Re: Novo Mundo [10 vs. 11]

                              Novo Mundo felt like a low 11 to me (the first time playing it.)

                              Found many 10s to be slightly easier than the song. Although, the relatively low notes per-second on Novo Mundo might be a reason to drop it to a 10..

                              I've also found many 10s to be much harder. Finders Keepers, Bus Rides with People, etcetera. But feels like a low 11 due to some weird patterns throughout.

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