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  • jimerax
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    FFR Simfile Author
    FFR Music Producer
    • Nov 2003
    • 8185
    #1

    A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

    This is a thread for difficulty discussions.

    If you have opinions for difficulty changes, current difficulties, or suggestions for reference songs post them in this thread.


    - Borderline references (as of Jan 4, 2012)-

    1 (Easiest)
    High-End - Trip To The Moon

    2 (For Beginners)
    High-End - Computer Dreams

    3 (Very Easy)
    High-End - Salad For Your Tuesday, 100 Bar Blackout

    4 (Easy)
    High-End - Strawberry, Story of Snowman and Sunshine Girl

    5 (Standard)
    High-End - The Essential

    6 (Tricky)
    High-End - Legend of Zelda, Infinite Blue, Let Mom Sleep

    7 (Difficult)
    High-End - Tetris Remix, Bubble Bobble Hillbilly Rodeo

    8 (Very difficult)
    High-End - The Games We Played, Part 2, MAX Forever, Jurs OP

    9 (Challenging)
    High-End - Over the Frail Dream

    10 (Very Challenging)
    High-End - Bus Rides With People, Keep In Mind, Vertex BETA, Feldschlacht

    11 (For Masters Only)
    High-End - He's A Radical Rat, Piano Concerto 1 'ANTI-ARES', Piano Etude (Gymnastics), Blooddrunk

    12 (For Guru's Only)
    High-End - Almost There, A Quick Death, Winter Wind Etude


    [The list of songs changed in difficulty by the voting]
    Halcyon [Xi] - 11 -> 12
    The earth blew up - 10 -> 11
    do i smile? - 12 -> 13
    In Aisles - 9 -> 8
    Clash on the Big Bridge - 5 -> 6
    {Satori} v2 - 9 -> 8
    Fast Asleep - 10 -> 11
    Fei Longer - 9 -> 10
    mutant corecore - 11 -> 12
    Story of Snowman and Sunshine Girl - 4 -> 5
    what the f is this: - 9 -> 10
    The Final Fantasy - 7 -> 8
    P4U v1 - 12 -> 13
    Rev Etude v1 - 12 -> 13
    Last edited by jimerax; 03-21-2012, 09:56 PM.
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    • Jerry DB
      FFR, lift, repeat
      • Jan 2008
      • 2071
      #2
      Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

      I feel terror from beyond is also I high 4 because I just recently got it haha
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        • nois-or-e
          SponCon Aficionado
          FFR Simfile Author
          • Mar 2007
          • 3250
          #3
          Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

          I believe this thread is intended for discussing the actual difficulty boundaries/guidelines, as opposed to the individual difficulty of specific files. If you wish to discuss your disagreement with the current difficulty rating of a specific file, please refer to the sticky in this sub-forum...

          Originally posted by jimerax
          - When you think the difficulty rating of a song should be discussed, you can make a thread for votings in this forum. If the thread gets enough votes and percentage for the difficulty change and the staff approves them, the difficulty will be changed.
          The title of the thread should be, "Song Name [N or N+1]" (For example, "Uber Rave [9 or 10]").
          If you wish to discuss the difficulty of terror from beyond, you should create a thread titled "Terror from beyond 4 or 5" though, I don't think you're implying that it is the wrong difficulty as it is already a 4...

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            • jimerax
              ★★★★★
              FFR Simfile Author
              FFR Music Producer
              • Nov 2003
              • 8185
              #4
              Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

              I added this to the guidelines.

              "Polls are optional, we will count votes in people's posts."

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                • alloyus
                  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 3269
                  #5
                  Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

                  Surprised Feldschlacht isn't on the high-end VC list, always seemed like a really hard technical file to me.

                  ^FFP_D0pey btw

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                    • iironiic
                      D6 FFR Legacy Player
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 4342
                      #6
                      Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

                      10 (Very Challenging)
                      High-End - Bus Rides With People, Keep In Mind, Vertex BETA

                      In my honest opinion, I think Vertex BETA and Bus Rides With People are incomparable from each other. One highly emphasizes on stream consistency while the other focuses on tricky bursts and sudden changes in patterns. Generally speaking, because bursts are much harder to tackle than streams, I would either put Bus Rides as a low FMO and keep Vertex Beta as a high VC, or keep Bus Rides as a high VC and Vertex as a mid-VC. I am favoring the latter idea though since Vertex is a very solid VC in my opinion.

                      Feldschlacht should also join the list of borderline VCs. It's not as straightforward as the other VCs in the game.

                      I have no say for the easier levels since I can't really determine the difference between a 5 and a 6 haha.

                      The list generally looks good though!

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                        • nois-or-e
                          SponCon Aficionado
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 3250
                          #7
                          Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

                          Should we also include low end files for each difficulty so that there is a semi-defined line between them?

                          If so...

                          Originally posted by nois-or-e
                          To me, this is harder than Max Forever, but not by much. IMO max forever should be the highest 8 with Yoshiis cookie being the lowest 9.

                          It is short, but the fast jump patterns most certainly harder than other 8s at the top end (TGWP2, Kaliedescope, etc). Not by a LOT, but by enough that they are significantly different...

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                            • hi19hi19
                              lol happy
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 12194
                              #8
                              Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

                              Moving current high FGOs to low FSOs

                              With Metro and Rave7 "legitimizing" the 13 difficulty ranking, I think it's time to take some of the highest FGOs and give them the title they deserve as low 13s.

                              Files I think are worthy of this bump-
                              Revolutionary Etude- Jumpjacks, ending. Pretty self-explatory.
                              Party 4 U v1- 0framers.
                              Crowdpleaser- In my opinion the trill and bursts are 13 worthy no matter WHAT else you put in the file. The fact nobody has AAA'd them without overlay should be a hint.
                              Winter Wind Etude- long as hell, polyrhythm ending, very few SDGs as a result.
                              Gigadelic- this shouldn't even be in the game, but until it's removed it's a 13.


                              Iffy-
                              Eclipse (solar)- the stream is pretty 13 worthy but the rest, idk about.
                              Here We Go- not entirely sure about this one either, it's dense but not that hard to read.
                              Magical 8bit dump- the trills, very few SDGs. A good possible candidate.
                              Grist- maybe, not really qualified to judge this because I can't read the bursts that well.
                              do i smile?- honestly, 13-worthy in my eyes but hasn't been out too long to really tell
                              Almost There- awkward as hell very fast stream


                              Others to consider (maybe I'm forgetting a few?)
                              J'ai
                              grind2
                              Rage Template
                              FREEDOM DiVE
                              Last edited by hi19hi19; 01-4-2012, 07:29 PM.


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                                • ~Zeta~
                                  Flag Master
                                  • Oct 2010
                                  • 2156
                                  #9
                                  Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

                                  Almost There definitely is close.

                                  CP should be 13 if it's going to stay public.
                                  might I add ranks should be erased and don't allow overlay. we all know that it's
                                  practically double setup and unfair to legit players like dossar and me.

                                  A Quick Death might be low end of FSO or high FGO.
                                  Then again, CCCP/Schmollbluk can be top end FGO as well.

                                  do i smile is a low fso, I think. it's pretty damn hard.

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                                    • emulord
                                      FFR Veteran
                                      • Sep 2006
                                      • 778
                                      #10
                                      do i smile is freaking nuts. That was harder for me to mashFC than rave7. Right now rave7 and metro are easier than party4u v1 or omgwtfToken, so I think those inconsistencies should be resolved, probably in favor of upping the group to 13s. Anything that a D6 player can't AAA, and is very difficult to SDG should be 13.

                                      I still feel that crowdpleaser should be an exception. Ignoring the top top players, most low-mid level players see it as a really really weird 10. They can pass the trill, can't FC, and thats just how it goes. 12

                                      I see Mario 8 bit 80s as the hardest 1. Offbeats? omg
                                      Last edited by nois-or-e; 01-4-2012, 07:49 PM.

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                                        • Winrar
                                          Quasi-porn
                                          • Jan 2008
                                          • 1843
                                          #11
                                          Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

                                          12 (For Guru's Only)
                                          High-End - Revolutionaly Etude

                                          Just a minor error.

                                          I'm quite sure that Fast Asleep should be put as high end VC so long as it's a 10. I still think that song is an 11, but that's for another thread.

                                          Originally posted by Staiain
                                          I'm sorry but... *flicks hair* I don't DO 0.x rates 8)

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                                            • jimerax
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                                              FFR Simfile Author
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                                              • Nov 2003
                                              • 8185
                                              #12
                                              Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

                                              CP isn't FSO because it's not that difficult to nail 20-30 goods overall, although trills/some bursts are quite difficult to AAA/combo.
                                              "AAA difficulty for high-tier players" isn't the only factor.

                                              P4U is similar but a lot harsher due to many 0-framers, didn't care much since it's considered to be nostalgia joke file as a token. After you memorize all 0-framers it will be a lot easier.

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                                                • TheSaxRunner05
                                                  The Doctor
                                                  • Apr 2006
                                                  • 6144
                                                  #13
                                                  Re: Rave7 [13 or 12?]

                                                  There are already better PA scores in Rave than DP, but it depends on where to want to draw the line for a 13. Should DP be the lowest 13, or should there be lower ones? Imo DP should be the cut off because it has been for so long


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                                                    • DossarLX ODI
                                                      Batch Manager
                                                      Game Manager
                                                      FFR Simfile Author
                                                      • Mar 2008
                                                      • 14999
                                                      #14
                                                      Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs





                                                      I think this picture speaks for itself

                                                      Show me any FGO that compares to party4u v1. Revolutionary doesn't come close.

                                                      Originally posted by jimerax
                                                      although trills/some bursts are quite difficult to AAA/combo.
                                                      Uh, that's all there is in that file lmfao
                                                      Last edited by DossarLX ODI; 01-4-2012, 09:31 PM.
                                                      Originally posted by hi19hi19
                                                      oh boy, it's STIFF, I'll stretch before I sit down at the computer so not I'm not as STIFF next time I step a file

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                                                        • Wiz44rd
                                                          FFR Player
                                                          • May 2007
                                                          • 23
                                                          #15
                                                          Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

                                                          novo mundo should be very challenging, just sayin'

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