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  • stavie33
    FFR Player
    • Aug 2006
    • 1925

    #1

    Led Zepplin, The Who, and other classic rock band permissions made possible

    Okay, this will be a long post, but please read it,

    As you may have heard back a while from daman, his Mom grew up in Beverly Hills LA, and her friend owned the stadium where all the rock bands played. She had back stage passes and always front row seats. Not only that, she knew half of them personally. Some examples that ARE true, despite what you might believe

    - she dated Mick Jagger
    - she went to multiple parties at David Bowie's house
    - she knows Robert Plant (though not on a personal level, but they hung out and talked more than 10 times)
    - her brother (daman's uncle) is a contract lawyer in the music production business
    - she was friends with Iggypop and drove him around town a lot and picked him up when he was drunk

    She also knows a lot more people, but this is enough

    After daman talked to her about this stuff, it is possible to purchase a license agreement to use their songs on FFR (it would have to be a certain price for 1 song, never a package). Also, the PERMISSION/CONTRACT COMES FROM THE RECORD AND PRODUCTION COMPANIES, NOT THE ARTISTS THEMSELVES, this means that knowing them personally doesn't help, it's just to show that she has people in and around, also, to raise the amount of money (1000+ dollars), we could have a program (run by Tass of course), of every FFR member who wants these bands/songs to send 1 dollar (or more) into FFR. FFR has 1,000,000+ members, so getting the money if 1 dollar from each person who wants these bands is sent, it shouldn't be a problem

    Daman would not be involved, I can have his Mom (Gina Goldstone), discuss this issue with Tass, and it is highly possible that we can actually get permissions for certain songs. Yes it's a high price, but think about it, all the subbies spent, and the fact that you can buy albums from FFR, having people send 1 dollar should be nothing, really, and the strength here, financially, comes in the numbers of people submitting the dollar, not the amount sent by a small group of people

    Share your ideas, tell me what you think

    THIS PROGRAM, IF IT WORKS OUT, WILL BE COMPLETELY RUN BY TASS AND THE FFR ADMINS, WITH THE HELP OF MRS. GOLDSTONE IN ORDER TO ASSURE COMPANY CONTACT

    EDIT: If you don't believe me about the ability to contact or the knowledge we have of copyright laws, search this name on google: MICHAEL NORMAN SALEMAN (Mrs. Goldstone's brother)
    Last edited by stavie33; 12-2-2008, 10:14 PM.
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  • NFD
    FFR Player
    • Nov 2007
    • 4715

    #2
    Re: Led Zepplin, The Who, and other classic rock band permissions made possible

    .....Dibs on Stairway to Heaven.

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    • DayMan951
      yfwdbwdsb
      • Dec 2007
      • 2255

      #3
      Re: Led Zepplin, The Who, and other classic rock band permissions made possible

      When did ffr get 3 million members? Last time I checked, (just now) there was only 1.6 million.

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      • Bolth mannn
        FFR Veteran
        • Aug 2008
        • 2228

        #4
        Re: Led Zepplin, The Who, and other classic rock band permissions made possible

        dibs on stairway to heaven V2

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        • sumzup
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          • Nov 2005
          • 1398

          #5
          Re: Led Zepplin, The Who, and other classic rock band permissions made possible

          $1000+ for ONE song?











          not going to happen.

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          • stavie33
            FFR Player
            • Aug 2006
            • 1925

            #6
            Re: Led Zepplin, The Who, and other classic rock band permissions made possible

            Originally posted by sumzup
            $1000+ for ONE song? not going to happen.
            Think about it this way,

            For Dendrite v2, it's $10 per person for the song (and the album, which most people don't seem to care about as much)

            For just 1 song that's sooooo much better than anything else on FFR, 1$ per person (meaning pay $1 to get the song technically)

            All in all, that would mean a person paying $2 can get 2 classic rock songs, etc., which is cheaper than $10 for this file, think of it that way, except we'll need 1000+ members to pay, which with the demand for these songs, shouldn't be hard, and you wouldn't get the file immediately after paying, we'd have to get permission first, but if we want FFR to go somewhere farther than where it is now, we shouldn't have a problem pulling this off, it just requires a little cooperation
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            The teachers who taught me weren't cool (No, I can't complain)
            You're holding me down (Oh Oh)
            Turning me round (Oh Oh)
            Filling me up with your rules (Oooh)

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            • NFD
              FFR Player
              • Nov 2007
              • 4715

              #7
              Re: Led Zepplin, The Who, and other classic rock band permissions made possible

              Would an entire section be set up on FFR? Like, between Classic and Rock....Classic Rock? Also who would we give donations to?

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              • lord_carbo
                FFR Player
                • Dec 2004
                • 6222

                #8
                Re: Led Zepplin, The Who, and other classic rock band permissions made possible

                - she went to multiple parties at David Bowie's house
                Her: Hey, David Bowie, great party!
                Bowie: Thanks, I was--
                Her: OH BY THE WAY CAN I ASK YOU SOMETHING IT HAS TO DO WITH AN ONLINE FLASH GAME...
                last.fm

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                • stavie33
                  FFR Player
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 1925

                  #9
                  Re: Led Zepplin, The Who, and other classic rock band permissions made possible

                  Originally posted by NFD
                  Would an entire section be set up on FFR? Like, between Classic and Rock....Classic Rock? Also who would we give donations to?
                  Look, I'm not setting anything up, I just talked to Mrs. Goldstone and found out that legally and theoretically this is highly possible, get Tass in here first, and have him come up with this, it's just stating a possibility, I have no idea how the program will work until Tass comes up with something

                  Want a quicker answer, get him in this thread

                  Originally posted by lord_carbo
                  Her: Hey, David Bowie, great party!
                  Bowie: Thanks, I was--
                  Her: OH BY THE WAY CAN I ASK YOU SOMETHING IT HAS TO DO WITH AN ONLINE FLASH GAME...
                  You realize she did this, some 30+ years ago? Before the concept of a game played on a screen with arrows moving to music even existed?
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                  • Tasselfoot
                    Retired BOSS
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 25185

                    #10
                    Re: Led Zepplin, The Who, and other classic rock band permissions made possible

                    If we were interested in doing this, we could have started doing it 2 years ago ourselves... we have plenty of contacts already at all of the major record labels. We aren't interested in buying licenses for music. It's not worth it.
                    RIP

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                    • stavie33
                      FFR Player
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 1925

                      #11
                      Re: Led Zepplin, The Who, and other classic rock band permissions made possible

                      Originally posted by Tasselfoot
                      If we were interested in doing this, we could have started doing it 2 years ago ourselves... we have plenty of contacts already at all of the major record labels. We aren't interested in buying licenses for music. It's not worth it.
                      k, I didn't know you already were aware of this, if it's not worth it, it's not, but I thought the community should decide, but yeah, I get what you're saying, not just the money, but it takes a crap load of work
                      It's getting better all the time
                      I used to get mad at my school (No, I can't complain)
                      The teachers who taught me weren't cool (No, I can't complain)
                      You're holding me down (Oh Oh)
                      Turning me round (Oh Oh)
                      Filling me up with your rules (Oooh)

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                      • sumzup
                        (+ (- (/ (* 1 2) 3) 4) 5)
                        • Nov 2005
                        • 1398

                        #12
                        Re: Led Zepplin, The Who, and other classic rock band permissions made possible

                        Originally posted by stavie33
                        Think about it this way,

                        For Dendrite v2, it's $10 per person for the song (and the album, which most people don't seem to care about as much)

                        For just 1 song that's sooooo much better than anything else on FFR, 1$ per person (meaning pay $1 to get the song technically)

                        All in all, that would mean a person paying $2 can get 2 classic rock songs, etc., which is cheaper than $10 for this file, think of it that way, except we'll need 1000+ members to pay, which with the demand for these songs, shouldn't be hard, and you wouldn't get the file immediately after paying, we'd have to get permission first, but if we want FFR to go somewhere farther than where it is now, we shouldn't have a problem pulling this off, it just requires a little cooperation
                        The thing with Dendrite v2 is that it's a token that you buy and get to have for yourself. I really don't think people will be that altruistic, especially when it's not even to support a small, independent artist. And adding more and more songs just makes the cost bigger and bigger. The payoff isn't really worth the amount of effort expended, in my opinion. Perhaps if something cheaper could be negotiated, it might work better, but I think $1000 for a song (no matter how good) is too much.

                        edit: and Tass lays down the law
                        Last edited by sumzup; 12-2-2008, 08:58 PM.

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                        • stavie33
                          FFR Player
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 1925

                          #13
                          Re: Led Zepplin, The Who, and other classic rock band permissions made possible

                          Originally posted by sumzup
                          The thing with Dendrite v2 is that it's a token that you buy and get to have for yourself. I really don't think people will be that altruistic, especially when it's not even to support a small, independent artist. And adding more and more songs just makes the cost bigger and bigger. The payoff isn't really worth the amount of effort expended, in my opinion. Perhaps if something cheaper could be negotiated, it might work better, but I think $1000 for a song (no matter how good) is too much.
                          Maybe not 1k per song, I was just making a stat up as an extreme example, and the problem is less the money and more the work involved in getting contacts and communication between the record label and the site, and how this will all go through, I believe you'd have to go to a few meetings and have multiple people sign the agreement after discussions have been made with the record company in person, however if that's the problem, Daman's uncle can handle that without any issues, but Tass already says he has contacts, so if it's not worth it for him, it's not. Though I'd like to see what members of the site have to say, no offense
                          It's getting better all the time
                          I used to get mad at my school (No, I can't complain)
                          The teachers who taught me weren't cool (No, I can't complain)
                          You're holding me down (Oh Oh)
                          Turning me round (Oh Oh)
                          Filling me up with your rules (Oooh)

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                          • Tasselfoot
                            Retired BOSS
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 25185

                            #14
                            Re: Led Zepplin, The Who, and other classic rock band permissions made possible

                            I mean... if a record label wanted to sell their album digitally through our site, we'd be happy to do a deal that way. In the same fashion as what we did for FGJ!
                            RIP

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                            • dore
                              caveman pornstar
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              FFR Music Producer
                              • Feb 2006
                              • 6317

                              #15
                              Re: Led Zepplin, The Who, and other classic rock band permissions made possible

                              Getting a few songs from huge names in classic rock wouldn't actually benefit the site... how many classic rock fans are going to join the community when a game has 2 songs by their favorite artists and 800 Japanese techno songs? Maybe they'll play the game a few times but they most likely won't stay. FFR is more a platform to promote music rather than one to sell music.
                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

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