ffr on the xbl arcade

**TheRapingDragon** · 07-28-2008, 09:12 AM

Re: ffr on the xbl arcade

Wouldn't that be breaking all those copyright laws that we told artists and record labels, you know, the one that says we won't sell or redistribute their music.

Wouldn't this be doing exactly that?

**Hairy Cabbage** · 07-28-2008, 09:23 AM

Re: ffr on the xbl arcade

Originally posted by TheRapingDragon

Wouldn't that be breaking all those copyright laws that we told artists and record labels, you know, the one that says we won't sell or redistribute their music.

Wouldn't this be doing exactly that?

actually i didnt know. however, since if it were to happen, it would be a new game, so maby the game could have some new music, made by new people willing to participate in the project, since the game would have to be a more "polished" version of the flash game here.

**TheRapingDragon** · 07-28-2008, 09:26 AM

Re: ffr on the xbl arcade

It's already been said before by (Maldon?) that they don't have the time to completely run and maintain two builds of FFR, so I doubt this will ever happen.

I mean it's a hell of a lot to ask.

**Hairy Cabbage** · 07-28-2008, 09:30 AM

Re: ffr on the xbl arcade

Originally posted by TheRapingDragon

It's already been said before by (Maldon?) that they don't have the time to completely run and maintain two builds of FFR, so I doubt this will ever happen.

I mean it's a hell of a lot to ask.

well, the game wouldent need to be maintained much once it has been submitted, and i was just simply putting the idea out there, so please dont act like a jerk, and i did not know that it had been thought up befor.

**TheRapingDragon** · 07-28-2008, 09:44 AM

Re: ffr on the xbl arcade

so please dont act like a jerk

Ya, those posts reek of me being a jerk. Don't act idiotic just because your idea is being knocked down by someone. Learn to accept constructive criticism.

well, the game wouldent need to be maintained much once it has been submitted

The whole point of FFR is to keep adding in new features, new songs, new artists. Putting out a fixed version would detract from the essence and enjoyable factors of FFR if you ask me. Look at the Kongregate version of FFR, not many people were happy with that.

and i did not know that it had been thought up befor

This idea hasn't been suggested before as far as I'm aware, but it still stands under "another build of FFR" if you ask me.

**Synthlight** · 07-28-2008, 09:46 AM

Re: ffr on the xbl arcade

It has been brought up before. I have had numerous talks with Microsoft about SpinItUp being included as a multi-player party game and they loved the concept, loved the existing game and think it would be a great fit. BUTTTT.. Here is my issue, it needs to be redeveloped for the 360,we need dev kits, we need to pay microsoft for massive testing and there are a billion others costs associated in there. At the end of the day it would cost somewhere around $300k-400k to complete and launch. I wish I did but I don't have that kind of money. XBLA games as of late last year cost $400k-$3mil to launch.

But if you guys have any ideas, let me know. I wish there was a way we could do this without spending so much money.

Cheers,

Synthlight

**TheRapingDragon** · 07-28-2008, 09:49 AM

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That's quite a lot more money than I expected it to cost. I was only looking at the effort and scale of actually setting the project up.

SpinItUp would be an interesting concept on it. Perhaps in a few years when FFR is more commercially known and you have revenue coming in from more sources it could be a possiblity, no?

**Afrobean** · 07-28-2008, 09:55 AM

Re: ffr on the xbl arcade

**** 360.

Aren't Wii devkits much cheaper? And Wii has a similar service now with their WiiWare titles.

Also, that's why you get a publisher to finance it. Harmonix didn't go up to Sony and go "hey we got this great game concept lol you like hold this toy guitar and play music!", they had backing from Activision.

I guess what I'm saying here is:

#1: target Wii
#2: get some sort of financing or other means of outside funding

Also: glad to see direction towards Spinitup instead of FFR (don't want to follow in ITG's footsteps? rofl), and I think I've mentioned it before, but I'd LOVE to see a turntable-esque peripheral paired with a doubles mode. That's probably not realistic if we're considering download distribution, but it doesn't hurt to dream either.

ps

I wish there was a way we could do this without spending so much money.

The model working on this site is fairly effective. You could make it a community endeavor. I'm sure tons of people would love to participate in a thing such as this... You've got dozens of people making quality files for FFR for free. How much you think Harmonix pays its employees who make charts for Rock Band?

**Hairy Cabbage** · 07-28-2008, 10:02 AM

Re: ffr on the xbl arcade

Originally posted by Afrobean

**** 360.

Aren't Wii devkits much cheaper? And Wii has a similar service now with their WiiWare titles.

Also, that's why you get a publisher to finance it. Harmonix didn't go up to Sony and go "hey we got this great game concept lol you like hold this toy guitar and play music!", they had backing from Activision.

I guess what I'm saying here is:

#1: target Wii
#2: get some sort of financing or other means of outside funding

Also: glad to see direction towards Spinitup instead of FFR (don't want to follow in ITG's footsteps? rofl), and I think I've mentioned it before, but I'd LOVE to see a turntable-esque peripheral paired with a doubles mode. That's probably not realistic if we're considering download distribution, but it doesn't hurt to dream either.

ps
The model working on this site is fairly effective. You could make it a community endeavor. I'm sure tons of people would love to participate in a thing such as this... You've got dozens of people making quality files for FFR for free. How much you think Harmonix pays its employees who make charts for Rock Band?

i live some of the stuff your saying, however, targeting just the wii would not make too much money back, xbla has far more users to download the game, i would love to help on a project like this, altho i dont know what i could do lol, however, i have sent an email to a small games company who have just relesed a game on the ercade recently, they are a very small company, i bacicly asked how they manages to afford it, hopefully they will reply, and it might give us some ideas to work with, i would really love to see this happen.

**Hairy Cabbage** · 07-28-2008, 10:07 AM

Re: ffr on the xbl arcade

[QUOTE=TheRapingDragon]

The whole point of FFR is to keep adding in new features, new songs, new artists. Putting out a fixed version would detract from the essence and enjoyable factors of FFR if you ask me. Look at the Kongregate version of FFR, not many people were happy with that.

[QUOTE]

microsoft are very strict on what people can do to games, so updating the game constantly would most likely not be an option, but the game would still be able to have a set ammount of songs, which would still make for a good arcade game.

**Mr.Nothing** · 07-28-2008, 10:10 AM

Re: ffr on the xbl arcade

I find it amusing that TRD shot it down, then Synth brought it back up.

As for testing and such, why not designate testers from the FFR community to try it out.
You know, like pick a few people that are trusted throughout.

**ddr_f4n** · 07-28-2008, 10:16 AM

Re: ffr on the xbl arcade

Originally posted by Mr.Nothing

I find it amusing that TRD shot it down, then Synth brought it back up.

As for testing and such, why not designate testers from the FFR community to try it out.
You know, like pick a few people that are trusted throughout.

Like the subscribers do with FFR features before public release.

But I doubt Microsoft would allow that though. They wouldn't trust us as much as the professional testers themselves.

**TheRapingDragon** · 07-28-2008, 10:23 AM

Re: ffr on the xbl arcade

I find it amusing that TRD shot it down, then Synth brought it back up.

I shot another build of FFR down as Maldon said two FFR Builds couldn't be maintained. Synth brought up SpinItUp. Different things.

The quote I am going on:

Originally posted by MalDON

but I don't see this happening. It would require more than flash development, and we don't currently have the resources to maintain two builds of FFR.

**Mr.Nothing** · 07-28-2008, 10:30 AM

Re: ffr on the xbl arcade

Originally posted by ddr_f4n

But I doubt Microsoft would allow that though. They wouldn't trust us as much as the professional testers themselves.

Well wouldn't it be Synth's decision?
I mean, if they think there are more bugs than we can find they would say no, but looking at everything the site has accomplished nearly flawlessly, there should be no dispute about whether or not trusted individuals could help.

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