1) Gradiant Won at endgame, Mafia Godfather
2) Xiz Lost at endgame, Vanilla Town
3) Charu Killed N4, One-Shot Doctor
4) XelNya Killed N2, Vanilla Town
5) Yoshiisland Killed N6, Doctor
6) roundbox Killed N1, Vanilla Town
7) DaBackPack Lynched D0, Mafia Goon
8) botchi246 Lynched D2, Vanilla Town
9) ShadoWolfe Modkilled N1, One-Shot Cop
10) Arntonach Lynched D3, Vanilla Town
11) Funnygurl555 Killed N3, Vanilla Town
12) _Zenith_ Lynched D1, Mafia Roleblocker
13) pedolad Lynched D5, Doctor
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Pretty shitty activity at the end, weird that there were no replacements.
Gradiant played well, knew what his out was, and was rewarded for it. Attacking the doctor that Xiz was doubting at the end was what he had to do, and he did it well.
This game, as well as the last one, were won by deep wolves who had completely avoided suspicion until the endgame. These two games should serve as a reminder that reads need to be reset in TWG. A townread on d0 or d1 should not carry over into the endgame without some mechanics or an incredibly strong read.
Solid town performances out of Charu, Xiz and funnygurl, with not very much positive to say about many other people.
The setup itself was pretty townsided, and I hope that this is not a thing that people overlook when evaluating Gradiant's performance here. 2 Full doctors and a 1 shot means that there were, during the course of this game, a lot of people who the wolves were unable to kill, with the only save being on Xiz during night 5. This, combined with a 1-shot cop likely would have solidified a town victory if town had done a few things differently:
Inactivity in the late-game is inherently anti-town. Town needs to try and get together and solve the game at that point, and no one was really doing so. I didn't see anyone rereading beyond Gradiant, and that's never good for town. Its also a good part of the reason why cedo and island were both suspected more than they should be, especially cedo.
I know you know giving up like that is not ok, Brett. Don't do that. I know you're geared for a kind of instant satisfaction that forum TWG rarely provides for you and IRL TWG often does, but you've gotta stick with the game, you really have to. This is what's going to happen, no one, including you, is going to enjoy the game if someone is going to vote for themselves in a mylo situation. If you're unable to play the game, replace out, don't throw a fit.
@Yoshiisland, you need to post more. I saw you playing FFR on more than one occasion when you had single-digit posts on some of the day phases, you need to devote more time to the game, I feel.
Both PRs became paranoid and did not try and talk to each other about their reservations with one another, they just made silent judgements, and as a result, town lost a game that they should have automatically won because they did not communicate at all with one another. Its fine to doubt another claim, but its pretty unintelligent to make a decision that, if wrong, will lose the game for town 99% of the time if one of the doctors dies.
Saving Gradiant over Charu that night also makes no sense because Charu should always be the kill over Gradiant if you don't know who the wolf is. Its impossible for Charu to be fake without there being a serial killer, and after 3 nights of only one kill, it doesn't really make much sense for there to be a Serial Killer, Charu or otherwise.
Something I think people know already but I'll say anyways, if someone claims your role in c9++, don't counterclaim because... its not a counterclaim. That was pretty not good to watch.
That being said, the play that Xiz made probably shouldn't have been performed by him. Island is unfamiliar with both Xiz and FFRTWG, and I think expecting him, or really a player of any caliber, terribly good or terribly bad, is not going to work out well, especially in c9++. The wolves/potential SK are going to see a doctor claim for what is literally no reason and they're going to be less likely to believe the claim (especially if its from Xiz).
I know Charu mentioned this, and while Gradiant played a pretty solid wolfgame, he certainly made some mistakes. His assertion that funny was universally townread after she died in the night was a tell that he, if he were a wolf, would think she was worth killing, and I think no one looked back at funny's death to see how weird it was and how weird Jake's claim that she was universally townread was after the fact other than Charu, which is why he died.
Looking at night deaths in the early game isn't all that important, but when unconfirmed players are dying over confirmed players, its pretty important to try and determine why.
FWIW town does deserve kudos for the wagons d0 and d1, those were both good decisions by town, and it put them very far ahead in the game.
MVP to Gradiant and Charu, Gradiant for obvious reasons, a well-played but not perfect wolfgame that took advantage of town after being down by a considerable margin, and Charu for being the first person since roundbox to realize that Gradiant was a wolf, as well as harping on Zenith and switching to DBP in mega-yolo mode.
All in all, the first half of this game was good to watch, it is a shame that it fell apart in the end. Some combination of town not getting together when they should and Jake being able to coast off of earlygame cred.
2) Xiz Lost at endgame, Vanilla Town
3) Charu Killed N4, One-Shot Doctor
4) XelNya Killed N2, Vanilla Town
5) Yoshiisland Killed N6, Doctor
6) roundbox Killed N1, Vanilla Town
7) DaBackPack Lynched D0, Mafia Goon
8) botchi246 Lynched D2, Vanilla Town
9) ShadoWolfe Modkilled N1, One-Shot Cop
10) Arntonach Lynched D3, Vanilla Town
11) Funnygurl555 Killed N3, Vanilla Town
12) _Zenith_ Lynched D1, Mafia Roleblocker
13) pedolad Lynched D5, Doctor
Actions are beneath this spoiler
Pretty shitty activity at the end, weird that there were no replacements.
Gradiant played well, knew what his out was, and was rewarded for it. Attacking the doctor that Xiz was doubting at the end was what he had to do, and he did it well.
This game, as well as the last one, were won by deep wolves who had completely avoided suspicion until the endgame. These two games should serve as a reminder that reads need to be reset in TWG. A townread on d0 or d1 should not carry over into the endgame without some mechanics or an incredibly strong read.
Solid town performances out of Charu, Xiz and funnygurl, with not very much positive to say about many other people.
The setup itself was pretty townsided, and I hope that this is not a thing that people overlook when evaluating Gradiant's performance here. 2 Full doctors and a 1 shot means that there were, during the course of this game, a lot of people who the wolves were unable to kill, with the only save being on Xiz during night 5. This, combined with a 1-shot cop likely would have solidified a town victory if town had done a few things differently:
Inactivity in the late-game is inherently anti-town. Town needs to try and get together and solve the game at that point, and no one was really doing so. I didn't see anyone rereading beyond Gradiant, and that's never good for town. Its also a good part of the reason why cedo and island were both suspected more than they should be, especially cedo.
I know you know giving up like that is not ok, Brett. Don't do that. I know you're geared for a kind of instant satisfaction that forum TWG rarely provides for you and IRL TWG often does, but you've gotta stick with the game, you really have to. This is what's going to happen, no one, including you, is going to enjoy the game if someone is going to vote for themselves in a mylo situation. If you're unable to play the game, replace out, don't throw a fit.
@Yoshiisland, you need to post more. I saw you playing FFR on more than one occasion when you had single-digit posts on some of the day phases, you need to devote more time to the game, I feel.
Both PRs became paranoid and did not try and talk to each other about their reservations with one another, they just made silent judgements, and as a result, town lost a game that they should have automatically won because they did not communicate at all with one another. Its fine to doubt another claim, but its pretty unintelligent to make a decision that, if wrong, will lose the game for town 99% of the time if one of the doctors dies.
Saving Gradiant over Charu that night also makes no sense because Charu should always be the kill over Gradiant if you don't know who the wolf is. Its impossible for Charu to be fake without there being a serial killer, and after 3 nights of only one kill, it doesn't really make much sense for there to be a Serial Killer, Charu or otherwise.
Something I think people know already but I'll say anyways, if someone claims your role in c9++, don't counterclaim because... its not a counterclaim. That was pretty not good to watch.
That being said, the play that Xiz made probably shouldn't have been performed by him. Island is unfamiliar with both Xiz and FFRTWG, and I think expecting him, or really a player of any caliber, terribly good or terribly bad, is not going to work out well, especially in c9++. The wolves/potential SK are going to see a doctor claim for what is literally no reason and they're going to be less likely to believe the claim (especially if its from Xiz).
I know Charu mentioned this, and while Gradiant played a pretty solid wolfgame, he certainly made some mistakes. His assertion that funny was universally townread after she died in the night was a tell that he, if he were a wolf, would think she was worth killing, and I think no one looked back at funny's death to see how weird it was and how weird Jake's claim that she was universally townread was after the fact other than Charu, which is why he died.
Looking at night deaths in the early game isn't all that important, but when unconfirmed players are dying over confirmed players, its pretty important to try and determine why.
FWIW town does deserve kudos for the wagons d0 and d1, those were both good decisions by town, and it put them very far ahead in the game.
MVP to Gradiant and Charu, Gradiant for obvious reasons, a well-played but not perfect wolfgame that took advantage of town after being down by a considerable margin, and Charu for being the first person since roundbox to realize that Gradiant was a wolf, as well as harping on Zenith and switching to DBP in mega-yolo mode.
All in all, the first half of this game was good to watch, it is a shame that it fell apart in the end. Some combination of town not getting together when they should and Jake being able to coast off of earlygame cred.
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