Mechanical Flower

**Ohaider** · 08-4-2013, 02:51 PM

Re: Mechanical Flower

Hearin improvement all over

**ScylaX** · 08-4-2013, 08:03 PM

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So the intro sounds really PRO and all. At first I thought you weren't the guy I thought you were when I read your nickname and I was like "wait is he the guy I'm thinking about or am I just mixing him with another guy".
And then the rest of the song came out and from the global vibes I just knew I was right since the beginning. U ARE U !!!!!!

A.k.a. what I said before stills applies to this piece for me. But I've got to say, you're improving. Even though it still seems "unpolished" to my mind (I still don't know where you wanted to go on some long notes you pulled) it's like you're managing to output legit FEELINGS and VIBES from it. Keep up, you're on the right way.

**Zaevod** · 08-4-2013, 08:06 PM

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Originally posted by ScylaX

A.k.a. what I said before stills applies to this piece for me. But I've got to say, you're improving. Even though it still seems "unpolished" to my mind (I still don't know where you wanted to go on some long notes you pulled) it's like you're managing to output legit FEELINGS and VIBES from it. Keep up, you're on the right way.

Heh... I have a legitimate feeling for every note I put, but not all these feelings are easy to describe with words, or are just mixed XP

**Arkuski** · 08-4-2013, 08:26 PM

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Dude great intro!

**Zaevod** · 08-4-2013, 08:39 PM

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Thanks. It was fun to make. I remember hearing that intro alone 976457648568 times before doing the rest.

**Xiz** · 08-4-2013, 11:38 PM

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Originally posted by Ohaider

Hearin improvement all over

^ This x 5000

Do more. Do more more more more. I can see great things for you at this rate.

**Coolboyrulez0** · 08-5-2013, 03:04 AM

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the mixing is getting a lot better but i feel the arrangment itself is confused

i get no consistent theme here its all just notes to me(?)... also the mix goes really muddy when the guitar comes in (3:01), it introduces noise and doesnt lay nice in the mix at all

that being said you are getting better esp. drums and the mids -- HUGE improvement since your earlier works

**ScylaX** · 08-5-2013, 06:18 AM

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Originally posted by Coolboyrulez0

i get no consistent theme here its all just notes to me(?)...

Yeah that's exactly what I was trying to say earlier.

**Zaevod** · 08-5-2013, 06:46 AM

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Originally posted by Xiz

^ This x 5000

Do more. Do more more more more. I can see great things for you at this rate.

I'll be working on a villain song next

Originally posted by Coolboyrulez0

i get no consistent theme here its all just notes to me(?)...

Hmm... well, I don't entirely agree but I kind of know where the problem is.

You see, most of those tracks have some very old melodies I created and sometimes try to tie together, but that doesn't always work as well as I intended. In this case, for example, I can see 3 distinct themes: the frilly fast thing, the one for the verses and the one for the choruses. They don't have the exact same mood, and that was intentional.

I do think that the isolated themes (especially the chorus) are pretty memorable on their own, so that's why I think that saying it's "just notes" is a bit too much. But I should probably try to just make new melodies from scratch than try to tie several old themes in a same song from now on, because I didn't hear this kind of complaint for Labyrinth of Logic (in my sig), for example (I created that one from scratch).

Or maybe not everyone likes when I try to shift moods.

**ScylaX** · 08-5-2013, 11:42 AM

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The problem isn't about what you have in mind, the problem is about how you execute it. You can be gifted for composing music and have a lot of inspiration, however if you can't manage to work on it correctly (like, you know, basic theoretical principles behind any "technically good" musical composition) the final product will most likely be a typical "meh song with great ideas nonetheless".
Don't take it for what you made there, I just want you to get the idea.

That makes the difference between the work of a genius who's a rookie to music composition and a typical bland mainstream music that is aesthetically poor but which respects what makes a music still pleasant to listen to (to some extent !!)

**Zaevod** · 08-5-2013, 11:53 AM

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Oh gosh, I'd really like some specific examples right now (like what specific notes should be changed and stuff). I could even provide the .flp to whoever's willing to take a look at it.

**Nullifidian** · 08-5-2013, 12:35 PM

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The song really is lacking any coherency/consistency. It all sounds like random notes that have no thought behind it and don't fit together. The intro was kind of interesting and I could see that working for something like a game where you're at some magical shrine or something but it gets old really fast and the tone progression could use some work. The rest just didn't fit at all and sounds like you took random bits and pieces and mashed it all together. I'd say listen to a bunch of intricate songs with complex progressions to get a better feel for what sounds good together, because it's basically impossible to dissect your entire melody and pinpoint the problems because there are so many anyway (especially tricky for me now since I don't know/can't read notes anymore).

**Zaevod** · 08-5-2013, 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by _.Spitfire._

It all sounds like random notes that have no thought behind it and don't fit together

This is getting pretty ridiculous, to be honest. Seriously? It sounds completely random?

Why don't you point out an intricate song with a melody you actually enjoy, then?

**Nullifidian** · 08-5-2013, 12:51 PM

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like I said, it's impossible for me to pinpoint issues because there are so many and I know that sounds horribly elitist. It really isn't though, because picture someone making a drawing and lacking in all of the fundamentals. What are you going to pinpoint as errors when the entire drawing is fundamentally flawed (basically everything)? More importantly, how is someone who doesn't know the fundamentals going to understand why they're errors? It's not meant as an insult, so please don't take it personal.

Each melody on their own sort of works (not that well though, there are a lot of dissonant notes), but it's almost as if you made these bits seperately and then put them together without making sure they actually fit together.

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