TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

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  • Arapocalypse
    FFR Player
    • May 2021
    • 11

    #601
    Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

    Originally posted by Hateandhatred
    Speaking of which, in post #402, Ara posted an updated reads list. I think it pretty much reflects the current state of the game, but somehow put raeko with me in the bottom. I don't think they were particularly suspicious of her prior, just putting her in the middle, which echoes my feelings, mostly because she's just a very difficult player to read. I'm going to refrain from judging this directly because I was critical of bugkid from shifting the same way and it backfired, but it's interesting they would post this even after the flip. I just don't really know what to think of it, so Ara, can you elaborate? You said you liked her bug vote the least, and I can see why, but we were the two wagons and she specifically started liking my post more when I started responding directly. Is there anything else?
    See my most recent response to MixMasterLar: it it was not an overall readlist and was a "this is how towny/wolfy I think everyone's EoD was" list, essentially!!!

    But the melon suspicion at the time was like... just felt like she had the least towny EoD in a somewhat disconnected manner overall; sorry, that's just how I felt at the time!!

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    • leetic
      FFR Player
      • Apr 2020
      • 7

      #602
      Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

      Originally posted by MixMasterLar
      I dont know if I'm for this plan. I think there's merit to staying hidden

      Merit i do not wish to discuss
      Maybe. I suppose the problem is you don't want the wolves to know what abilities the Freikugel has remaining. Having a definitive answer on who was the wolf kill and who was the Vig kill would be nice though and ideally if it's going to be revealed this phase it's not at last minute

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      • FreezinIce
        FFR Player
        • May 2005
        • 262

        #603
        Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

        Votecount

        thesunfan (1): Arapocalypse
        leetic (1): thesunfan

        I...don't think there have been any new votes? Correct me if I'm wrong

        EOD in ~3 hours
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        To let the world be.

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        Originally posted by Charu
        Wow, all most of my town reads vanished. Thanks Freez for stirring the pot, motherfucker!!!


        Originally posted by mellon_collie
        AHHHHHHHHH SKEET SKEET SKEET SKEET
        Originally posted by roundbox
        AHHHHHHHHH SKEET SKEET SKEET SKEET


        Originally posted by Afrobean
        Lynch all liars is good meta. Period.
        Originally posted by Red
        My guess at this point is that there aren't actually any wolves, and all the humans are just going to kill each other until only a few are left. Then the remaining survivors will realize they are the real monsters.
        Originally posted by TWG Ike
        SCUM THEATER AA SCUM CHARU WOLF ALIEN ROUNDBOX IS TOWN AND FRAMED

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        • the sun fan
          FFR Player
          • Mar 2017
          • 655

          #604
          Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

          Originally posted by MixMasterLar
          SunFan you are going to have to really sell me on Leetic with like five Nat 20 rolls back to back on persuasion


          Also @HnH: fucking lol
          Your town read on leetic is far too strong, all other things equal
          TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

          FFR is a pretty good place somehow.

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          • Arapocalypse
            FFR Player
            • May 2021
            • 11

            #605
            Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

            Originally posted by Hateandhatred
            I honestly have to vote for Hakulyte as it stands. He's the one who brought up how dangerous it is to not vote and didn't want to park a vote on sunfan despite knowing he will be absent. What I think is going on here is that he thinks there's a chance we won't lynch him because of the fact that he hasn't a vote. He's also being a LOT more involved so far than he was the previous day (which was notoriously off for Haku), and he's many players' top town right now, so I think this comes from a place of safety. He did give the reasoning that sunfan already had a vote and would only vote if ara unvoted, but I don't buy it considering how weak the vote on sunfan actually was, and sunfan lived because of this very principle. All the wolves need to do is pull it off one more day and they probably lock in the game. I do think he's been playing a great, useful game for us. He's kept every single player in his line of suspicion and has only voted for Bugkid in d0. He is in a great position to leverage his trust capital in order to steer the game, and therefore, I think he's the primary lynch candidate for today. If you reread him in iso, it seems to me that there's a good chance he has spent the game farming sympathy and suspicion in equal measure. Knowing Haku very personally, I think that's his gameplan here. At least judging by mechanics and flips, I can't see anything else.

            I also think Thesunfan is the other wolf. There's obviously nothing indicating this in the meta, other than the fact that Weiss completely ghosted the game and wolves apparently are demotivated when they roll it. Not only that, but the aforementionned haku plan and behavior works best for him if he's solo wolfing, which is what would have happened during d0 due to the absence of Weiss. I think the threat of parking the vote on sunfan itself is nothing but a soft bussing just in case something went wrong, and even then, he didn't even commit to it, and again, this makes a lot of sense if we look at this behavior like he was justifying it by requesting ara to unvote. The ONLY thing that I don't understand is why we are both alive. I don't know what the freikugel was thinking if both myself and sunfan are alive. It's ok for them to believe that I wasn't a target, but the people who weren't interested in killing me in d0 were definitely interested in killing weiss, due to inactivity and other dynamic. I don't understand how they could pick raeko or roundbox over me and weiss/sunfan, and I think this is much more likely to make sense if sunfan is the freikugel, as they themselves are not an option and it becomes me vs others. However, that also implies that weiss ghosted a game with such a fantastic omega cool role, and while everyone enjoys the game for their own reason, I decide that this isn't likely. I also don't know how sunfan picks either raeko or roundbox here, but sunfan is a galaxy brained player compared to me, so... yeah. I don't think there's a scenario where sunfan is a VT here, so let's proceed with caution, but for now, I think Haku is who I would like to go down.

            I will now go eat and expand on things I didn't touch when I'm back, but like, plz don't accuse me of not giving a fuck, I'm trying rly hard to play right especially since I should prolly be doing homework lul
            Reread this a couple times and like... I'm still not really sure where you're coming from?

            Regarding your Haku suspicion overall... on one hand, it's risky in the sense that multiple people have talked about hard towning them; the mafia agenda path for actually eliminating them here narrows drastically for you to suspect them, with that!!! However, it's also notable that Haku is not here to defend themselves, which does make them a bit of an easy push, regardless of whether you can get them killed here or not!!

            I just like... am finding it difficult to believe that you're weighting Haku not voting here that heavily; it doesn't matter that my vote didn't have much weight, when we'd previously discussed the whole issues of leaving 2 votes on someone possibly losing us the entire game if they're the Freikugel!!!! Real talk, did you fully read that conversation that happened earlier today, between me/Haku/Leetic regarding Haku's vote? I understand it's possible that you could have skimmed it and missed the details; would ask you to go back and reread that if so please, as it is very important in understanding why they may not have voted there as town!!!!

            Also I do realize in retrospect that I just shouldn't have voted at the time, since Haku hadn't voted yet, to give them the vote space; sorry about that Haku!!!!!

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            • Arapocalypse
              FFR Player
              • May 2021
              • 11

              #606
              Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

              Originally posted by MixMasterLar
              Holy wallpost, Batman

              Reading now but skimming it, I think it's icky that HnH ises Haku defense of them to the tone of like three paragraphs and then votes him when he knows Haku can't defend himself

              Very fucking icky
              Okay so MixMasterLar just concisely said what I ended up spending an entire paragraph on; good stuff!!!!

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              • the sun fan
                FFR Player
                • Mar 2017
                • 655

                #607
                Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                Phone posting hard waah
                Not a good day for sunfan and twg to comingle

                I am going to look for that post if for no reason other than to prove to the gay people who live in my thread that it exists.
                TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

                FFR is a pretty good place somehow.

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                • Arapocalypse
                  FFR Player
                  • May 2021
                  • 11

                  #608
                  Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                  Originally posted by Hateandhatred
                  What are you saying dude?!

                  It doesn't matter who Haku's partner is. I thought it might be sunfan because I see this plan happening with haku solowolfing with afk weiss. But that doesn't matter because it's haku I'm talking about.

                  Haku KNOWS extremely well that we wouldn't vote him out mechanically if he's unvoted. That's why we didn't want to vote weiss out for you!

                  If he's wolfing, he's fucking winning because he's now unkillable because we have to live with the risk that a mislynch of him has a 1/3 chance to kill another town - it's not even a loose cannon but a guaranteed extra town death

                  I don't think town haku EVER leaves this game unvoted. I don't think there's a chance of that ever happening, because he knows if he somehow dies for whatever reason and isn't around to defend himself, and he's the vengeful spirit, he's guaranteed to result into another town death and town loses!
                  The issue I have with this logic is that... both of the other people around at SoD (me/Leetic) expressed thoughts that we heavily townread Haku, and Haku hadn't been getting suspected at all - this sentence lives under the assumption that we would have tried to get Haku killed at all? Which like.. hypothetically if Haku is mafia, then they would be winning regardless of whether they voted here or not (as long as they don't vote their partner); them voting or not voting just is not significant at all, in that aspect!!!

                  The thing is that I'm not sure whether this is mafia!logic trying to eliminate town that can't defend themselves, or town!logic that just has a bit of a narrow view; currently leaning towards the former a bit though, because if Haku is town (and your logic does not dissuade me of that notion), then this is just straight up a very mafia-sided course of action to take!!

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                  • the sun fan
                    FFR Player
                    • Mar 2017
                    • 655

                    #609
                    Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                    Something leetic may have overlooked wrt claiming Freddy Kruger or not is the fact that wolves may have color seered the vengeful, and this could throw them off
                    TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

                    FFR is a pretty good place somehow.

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                    • Arapocalypse
                      FFR Player
                      • May 2021
                      • 11

                      #610
                      Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                      Hateandhatred, here's a question for when you're around: let's say hypothetically Haku gets hypothermia and dies right now, flipping town!!! Who do you think is mafia in this situation?

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                      • Arapocalypse
                        FFR Player
                        • May 2021
                        • 11

                        #611
                        Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                        Originally posted by MixMasterLar
                        Ok I think I see what you're saying

                        We didn't not kill Weiss because he didn't have a vote out, we didn't not kill Weiss because he didn't make any content whatsoever

                        This doesn't apply to Haku, and Haku has played the game long enough to know FFR loves to lynch players who miss EOD so long as they have posts

                        There's no indication that Haku feels, or has ever felt in past games, that if he doesn't vote then we'll policy save him
                        Okay I'm trying not to spam, but I do want to emphasize that I'm reaffirming my townread on MixMasterLar; I should probably not spend time responding to all of Hate's posts because he's just doing it all already anyway!!!

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                        • leetic
                          FFR Player
                          • Apr 2020
                          • 7

                          #612
                          Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                          Originally posted by the sun fan
                          Something leetic may have overlooked wrt claiming Freddy Kruger or not is the fact that wolves may have color seered the vengeful, and this could throw them off
                          Besides the fact that it's not super likely they used the seer ability, the tracking ability is far more decisive. They either got a hit (in which it's between two people, or one if they targeted the vig killed player) or not (one to two options are eliminated). The only way this changes is if the Freikugel used the ninja ability.

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                          • Arapocalypse
                            FFR Player
                            • May 2021
                            • 11

                            #613
                            Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                            I feel bad because I've read all of sunfan's posts, and like... some of them I do like? Just like, general vibes of some posts do make me feel like he's genuinely trying to solve the game at points; biggest example of this is probably how he talked about his Hate townread!!

                            Noting for the record that I'm not using any meta for him because if we've played together, it was either too long ago and/or in too different of a format; among us doesn't count either!!!! :P

                            That being said... he is not currently passing the bar of towniness that I've set for day 2, which I know is unfair to him because this is basically like day 1 for him, or 1.5 if we want to factor in the amount of info!!!! If this were day 1 then I could easily see me feeling comfy enough putting him as light town for now and moving on? Which just... isn't enough for a townread today, sorry!!!

                            Not really sure what you can do about this sunfan, sorry; you want to maybe talk more about your thoughts on Leetic?

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                            • Arapocalypse
                              FFR Player
                              • May 2021
                              • 11

                              #614
                              Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                              Quick readlist of where I'm at:


                              Arapocalypse

                              Very very unlikely to ever vote today
                              Hakulyte
                              MixMasterLar

                              Unlikely to vote
                              leetic - I still have yet to see good reasoning for why he should be voted?? Would technically be open to discussing, I don't necessarily want to shut down that many routes at this point when we're essentially in endgame, and sure I could be wrong - I don't think I am, but this read is straight up not as strong as the above townreads!!!

                              I guess this is my PoE???
                              thesunfan - Just don't feel confident about enough to move him up, but I also don't think he's been posting anything particularly mafia-indicative - he's basically just a null for me, which means he's in the PoE at this point!!

                              Hateandhatred - I appreciate the effort they've put into this game, just like... the conclusion of it just being Haku and sure the other could be sunfan is just, not sure if I can ignore how very mafia-agended it would be if Haku is town here? Also don't think I mentioned, but would be curious if they garnered any more thoughts regarding the votes they recorded; I was looking forward to seeing where they were going with that, just am feeling like it's a lot more information over analysis, which is much easier for mafia to do when they're trying to look like they mknow what they're doing!!! Keeping in mind that mafia very much don't have to be subtle here, we're practically in endgame; all they really need to do here is look just towny enough!!

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                              • Arapocalypse
                                FFR Player
                                • May 2021
                                • 11

                                #615
                                Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                                MixMasterLar, what do you want to do today? Guessing you haven't gone to sleep yet, as you haven't voted!!!

                                Right now I want to sit on Hate again and see how that feels, but do want to figure out if we need to do some pre-emptive vote coordination!!

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