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  • #31
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    Chrissi
    • Mar 2004
    • 3019

    Re: Sex ed. in schools

    Originally posted by GuidoHunter
    As a guy, I can totally understand the double-standard. Ask me to explain it, though, and I'm incapable. I'll say what I can, though.

    First, as a guy, we want sex and only sex. Ever wonder what a guy is thinking? Chances are it's about sex. As such, we're considered (by whom, I don't know. Perhaps men, perhaps women.) to be more slaves to our genitals.
    Certainly not by the academic community.

    It is demeaning and demoralizing (and a convenient excuse) to men to say that they are "slaves to their genitals". For thousands of years, women were the gatekeepers and men were the seekers. However, there's just no evidence to back this up, particularly in our modern society with birth control.

    You may think evolutionarily it makes sense: women would be more reluctant to have sex, and men would be more willing. I've even heard it explained like this: men can keep producing their seed, so it's cheap. It's a quick and easy commodity and isn't prized. However, a woman's egg only comes once a month, and she has only a limited number of them. That makes them prized. As such, women have to be choosy about who they have sex with, and men have to have sex with as many women as possible.

    But this is only assuming impregnation is intended or possible!

    Women may be more picky in their marital partners. They may desire to have children with only the best of men. But that doesn't mean that their sexual urges are non-existent, or weaker than a man's. In fact they are not.

    Society makes it very cruel, and yet easy at the same time, for men. If they do something sexually inappropriate, it is excusable, because their sexual drive is thought to be so strong that they can hardly control it. But this is just not the case. Come on, think reasonably. You can easily control yourself sexually. You don't run around having sex with or humping everything you see, do you? And rapists don't either. It doesn't appear to be a high sexual drive, driving men to commit these acts.

    So men have this reputation that they don't deserve - they can't control their sex drive. This makes subjects like male reluctance (when men don't really want to have sex but they are being pressured by their partner) very taboo- and most men who it has occurred to don't talk about it. You never hear about it, nobody talks about it, and people act like it doesn't exist, yet it's relatively common. I forget the actual statistic, but it was something around 65% of sexually active males and 35% of sexually active females have perceived this "male reluctance". Women are bad at recognizing it because they, too, fall victim to the "uncontrollable male" myth. But the reality is, men aren't always up and ready for it. Sometimes they have other things to think about, and sometimes they just aren't in the mood. It makes sense, doesn't it? Men get a lot of work done. They don't just sit around thinking with their penises all the time.

    Women are also victims of this myth. Women fall victim to the "controllable sex drive" myth. Not that I am trying to say their sex drives ARE uncontrollable - they are not. But if they are any more controllable than men's, it's by a small margin. Women feel intense sexual feelings and strong urges to have sex. However, because we're considered the "gatekeepers" by society, we're socially expected to reserve ourselves for just one guy, while men are free to romp around. After all, you can't expect more of them - they're only guys. Their penis leads the way.

    If you recall to anatomy, the clitoris develops from the same tissue as the penis. The clitoris is a concentrated bundle of nerve endings. It performs the same (sexual pleasure) function as the penis, only in a smaller package.

    As well, the female brain forms from the same brain matter that would make a male brain. There is no difference early on in development. Once the developing fetus "responds" to the chromosomes, if nothing goes wrong, those with a Y will develop testes and the sensitive tissue will become a penis with the urethra routed through it. If there is no Y, the fetus has no change, and will continue along its original track - mass of tissue becomes clitoris, ovaries develop, etc.

    But there is no "If there's a Y, hit the brain with an enlarged sex drive to the amygdala". That kind of thing has never been found.

    You know what HAS been found, though? Higher levels of testosterone are not linked to increased sex drive, but physical aggression. Men, when injected with testosterone, become aroused (not necessarily sexually aroused - the process of the brain and body becoming ready to react) more easily. I don't know if they did it on women, but it might not be all that healthy, since we're not really designed to handle an influx of testosterone.

    So there you go. Men do not have an insatiable sex drive, and women do not have a nonexistant one. Men, having more testosterone, are more aggressive than women, and that may drive them to do many of the things they do.
    Last edited by Chrissi; 03-27-2007, 08:05 AM.
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    • #32
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      FishFishRevolution
      • Nov 2003
      • 7251

      Re: Sex ed. in schools

      Bra-vo.

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      • #33
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        talisman
        • May 2003
        • 4598

        Re: Sex ed. in schools

        I can't think of many women I know though that go out and seek to have sex to fulfill their sexual urges. I think that's the distinction... girls seem to be yielding something to gain respect whereas boys are conquering something to gain respect. And I don't think that's just my male perspective. If the girls were going out and trying to conquer the boys instead of trying to be conquered, then it would be a different story. (And I suppose some do).

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        • #34
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          GuidoHunter
          • Oct 2003
          • 7371

          Re: Sex ed. in schools

          Chrissi, that was EXACTLY the kind of post that I DIDN'T want to see in response. I even said:
          these points aren't exactly up for debate. I know they don't apply for everyone, I know they're bad/stupid reasons, are sweeping generalizations, and don't take into account numerous things like women's desires, but I would think that that's some of the foudational thinking behind the double standard. That's just my guess.
          Even though I wasn't presenting my sort-of stream-of-consciousness writing as any sort of argument, it's not something you could argue anyway, unless you could somehow read what every man and woman is subconsciously thinking.

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          • #35
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            Chrissi
            • Mar 2004
            • 3019

            Re: Sex ed. in schools

            Oh, sorry. I thought this was Critical Thinking.
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            • #36
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              MixMasterLar
              • Aug 2006
              • 5436

              Re: Sex ed. in schools

              HaHa..At least you guys are learning about sex at 7th grade

              I was Homeschooled my entire life. My perents were late with this stuff.

              Also I disagree wih Guido. all sluts anger me. All Im going to say
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              • #37
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                Billydude
                • Apr 2006
                • 880

                Re: Sex ed. in schools

                I find this all pretty interesting... even though this wasn't what the thread was intended for you can keep discussing. What I don't get is why the teachers have to teach sex ed. every year, yet they won't necessarily answer every question. My teacher says it's because of parents not wanting there children to know about those sort of things, but my teacher answered a question I found rather "slangish" and not scientific. One kid asked what bases were (first, second, third, HOME RUN!) and the teacher actually answered the question. Man, I miss those little note cards =/.

                Originally posted by Chrissi
                If you eat a pizza it does not give you the urge to fly a kite.
                Originally posted by beaner692
                What if Billy talked to her? hes irrisistable

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                • #38
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                  RandomPscho
                  • Jun 2006
                  • 504

                  Re: Sex ed. in schools

                  Billydude, I think your school is one of few that teach it every year. Sex is not formal, to say the least. Just because it is in school, doesn't mean it can't be a 'real' discussion.

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                  • #39
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                    Verruckter
                    • Apr 2004
                    • 2707

                    Re: Sex ed. in schools

                    Originally posted by GuidoHunter
                    As a guy, I can totally understand the double-standard. Ask me to explain it, though, and I'm incapable. I'll say what I can, though.

                    First, as a guy, we want sex and only sex. Ever wonder what a guy is thinking? Chances are it's about sex. As such, we're considered (by whom, I don't know. Perhaps men, perhaps women.) to be more slaves to our genitals.

                    Women, on the other hand, are the more rational beings. Men are beasts; they want nothing more than a warm, moist cavity for their pen0r. Since women are typically the desired receptacle, they have governance over what goes in and what doesn't.

                    So, men who aren't thinking with their big brains are just doing what every man wants to: get some poon. Women, on the other hand, as the sought and not the seeker, allow guys inside and are making active, rational choices to have sex with these people. It's almost like inviting the guys in.

                    A woman kind of lowers herself every time she has sex with another guy because doing so is an exhibition of a lack of either restraint or self-respect or something like that (and, as we know, sluts are not well-regarded for their restraint/self-respect/what have you), whereas a guy who is willing to have sex with whomever he can is just a normal guy.

                    I think that last paragraph was the best summary I made of all of those. I was pretty much just typing out some thoughts. As such, these points aren't exactly up for debate. I know they don't apply for everyone, I know they're bad/stupid reasons, are sweeping generalizations, and don't take into account numerous things like women's desires, but I would think that that's some of the foudational thinking behind the double standard. That's just my guess.

                    Maybe there's also something with the societal views of men as the domineering ones and women as the submissive ones. A man going out and doing a bunch of local girls is sort of exerting his dominance over the smaller, weaker creatures. As such, the woman who actively seeks out sex (the slut) is putting herself in an out-of-gender role due to weakness or lascivity, neither of which are desirable traits.

                    Just talking out loud, here.

                    For me, though, I find it just as disgusting to hear guys talk about having sex with many different people as it is to hear girls doing the same thing. The double standard comes in, however, in my reaction. I have more pity for the girl, while I just don't respect the guy.

                    I dunno.

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                    • #40
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                      WarlockRox
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 88

                      Re: Sex ed. in schools

                      Didn't you used to have to have a signed permission slip to get into Sex Ed? I think maybe we should employ that idea again. Cover the basics in Health in 7th or 8th grade as a required course, and then once you've got your Health credit, if you want to go more into the subject and get the details, take Sex Ed as an elective. (Not necessarily with a permission slip, but sometime after you've had Health.)



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                      • #41
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                        Billydude
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 880

                        Re: Sex ed. in schools

                        Originally posted by RandomPscho
                        Billydude, I think your school is one of few that teach it every year. Sex is not formal, to say the least. Just because it is in school, doesn't mean it can't be a 'real' discussion.
                        Edit: oops read too fast. Yeah, I know it doesn't have to be formal or anything, but kids just get too embarrassed (including me) to discuss.
                        Last edited by Billydude; 03-27-2007, 06:27 PM.

                        Originally posted by Chrissi
                        If you eat a pizza it does not give you the urge to fly a kite.
                        Originally posted by beaner692
                        What if Billy talked to her? hes irrisistable

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                        • #42
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                          Squeek
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 14444

                          Re: Sex ed. in schools

                          Most school districts only have sex. ed twice. Once in the 5th grade or so, and once in 10th grade.

                          And it's usually just a quarter-long class, so like two months long.

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                          • #43
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                            Billydude
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 880

                            Re: Sex ed. in schools

                            Originally posted by Squeek
                            Most school districts only have sex. ed twice. Once in the 5th grade or so, and once in 10th grade.

                            And it's usually just a quarter-long class, so like two months long.
                            Wow, I've been taught sex ed. in 5th, 6th, and now 7th grade and I think I'm going to be taught next year too, but my longest sex ed. class was only 7 days. This year it's only two days, I have the last class tommorrow.

                            Originally posted by Chrissi
                            If you eat a pizza it does not give you the urge to fly a kite.
                            Originally posted by beaner692
                            What if Billy talked to her? hes irrisistable

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                            • #44
                              Carls, Girls, & Drugs
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                              wickedawesomeful
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 3888

                              Re: Sex ed. in schools

                              I have never learned anything from sex ed class that I didn't know already.
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                              • #45
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                                AriesMalvis
                                • Dec 2006
                                • 1345

                                Re: Sex ed. in schools

                                yea i think ive had it just a couple times too...once back in elementary school and then again in health class in high school

                                ^but i agree...that class didn't teach me anything

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