God Exists? Interesting essay I found.

[MalReynolds]

Re: God Exists? Interesting essay I found.

There's a differenced between "acting" which is performing on stage or in front of a crowd, and typing text onto a screen for someone else to read. The latter is a form of trickery, and what we call trolling: If you're purposefully exhibiting a false emotion to get a response out of someone, so you can call them an "idiot" or whatever, that's trolling, not acting.

The way you type on the internet disgusts me. Luckily, when you talk in real life, you don't have to worry about typos. Which makes me think that there's two kinds of intelligence: The kind you exhibit in real life, and the kind you exhibit on the internet.

So, you may be smart in real life, but you sure are a dumbass on the internet. Leave the thread, please.

[Grandiagod]

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I really couldn't care less about grammar and spelling if a point is thoughtfully and intelligently made. Izzy seems to hold a single viewpoint without any factual or philosophical backing and demand that others prove him wrong and when we do he throws a fit and calls us dumb. There should be a CT ban just for him.

[stretchypanda]

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Oh, im done with this thread. I dont want to get involved in this anymore.

nForcer, has your teacher gotten back to you? I can't imagine the one contradiction your posted was all he came up with.

[nforcer06164]

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Oh yeah, stretchy. I got a response the day after I showed it to him. I wasn't going to post because I figured nobody really cared after Izzy started trolling. I mean, there wasn't much of a response to the one point I gave. But, I'll post what he found, in full.

so long as you accept its two premises...its premises must be true...in order to show that it is not sound, you must show that one or more of its premises is false...assume a Euclidean relation among worlds

The essay requires that you accept certain premises and assume certain beliefs. A logical argument shouldn't normally require such premises. A logical argument should be primarily concerned with fallacy, then soundness.

A — A is true in the actual world. It may or may not be true in some other world.

My teacher's response (to the bolded portion): "This world can only be some fairy tale world that contradicts reality."

Note that the actual world is a possible world

My teacher's response: "A word game - are we talking about God actually existing or are we talking about God existing in a fairy tale world?"

The actual world is a world of curved space, and while pi can approximate the ratio sufficiently for nearly every conceivable purpose, circles in the actual world conform to non-Euclidean geometries.

My teachers response: "His argument is based on Euclidian logic. He admits himself that his argument is not related to the actual world."

For our logical tableau, we will refer to God as that which exists necessarily, or Necessary Existence (NE).

My teacher's response: "He begs - He is assuming the truth of God's existence before he proves it."

(otherwise the frame would not be Euclidean)

This is a repeated contradiction. Though he established his argument as Euclidian, he stated the existence of a non-Euclidian actual world.

Surely this is not controversial. If the actuality of a thing implies the necessity of it, then the implication must itself be necessary.

My teacher's response: "This begs." Also, to clarify, he explained more of this statement to me in person, which I also realized as I read it the first time. The bolded statement is forceful. It forces the following statement by prematurely leading the reader to believe that any opposing viewpoint would be ridiculous. This often occurs in a logical argument containing a fallacy or unsoundness, to mask it.

Otherwise, the actual world would be the only possible world, and there could be no true statements in any abstract symbological system.

My teacher's response: "But we weren't talking about the actual existence of God, and not about God as some 'abstract symbological system' that only exists as a figment of man's imagination - as does logic and math, both of which can make false statements."


The essay was easy believe if you didn't catch all of this (as I didn't), but my English teacher totally ripped apart the logic and statements. There was a lot of inconsistency and faulty statements that I didn't catch before. But I think there's enough evidence there to prove the unsoundness of the argument.

[Kika55]

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Hi!

[Kika55]

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I really couldn't care less about grammar and spelling if a point is thoughtfully and intelligently made. Izzy seems to hold a single viewpoint without any factual or philosophical backing and demand that others prove him wrong and when we do he throws a fit and calls us dumb. There should be a CT ban just for him.

Now?

[-Izzy-]

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There's a differenced between "acting" which is performing on stage or in front of a crowd, and typing text onto a screen for someone else to read. The latter is a form of trickery, and what we call trolling: If you're purposefully exhibiting a false emotion to get a response out of someone, so you can call them an "idiot" or whatever, that's trolling, not acting.

The way you type on the internet disgusts me. Luckily, when you talk in real life, you don't have to worry about typos. Which makes me think that there's two kinds of intelligence: The kind you exhibit in real life, and the kind you exhibit on the internet.

So, you may be smart in real life, but you sure are a dumbass on the internet. Leave the thread, please.

Its just a metaphor. Trolling it may be, but it is still hell of amusing. I guess false emotions are pretty fun since they have no way to determine how someone actually feels over the internet. Even if someone expresses false emotions its much easier to tell in real life just from faicial expressions and day by day actions. None of that really exists in this virtual world. This is probably why so many teenage girls get raped.

[Grandiagod]

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None of that really exists in this virtual world. This is probably why so many teenage girls get raped.

Oh, man, just go.

[banditcom]

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I know you posted this for that very reason. Everyone continues to prove my point. Lighten up and stop caring about god so much.

Oh man, you just hit a pet peeve of mine and just proved how much of a douchebag you are. You don't come in and tell someone to lighten up after you trash and disrespect them.

You have zero respect for anyone, so we give you none back. You're hated around here because you think of yourself as high and mighty and of someone of worth. Someone who cannot respect others has no worth whatsoever.

You do relize anyone can just change they way they act on the internet in a matter of secconds. Its all acting. Which is easy because its over the internet.

That's all you do. You come in here spouting off random shiiiiitt and disrespecting others for no reason other than trying to feel like you're worth something. You're just a little punk kid who hides behind the anomynity of the internet. I really hope someday soon you get Charlie Wenzeled. And not in regards to you being ripped off by someone, but what happened to him. Basically he thought he could hide behind the internet and thought he was safe at trying to rip a guy off. The community backed the guy who was ripped off and thusly dug up everything on this guy: cell phone number, address, pictures of his parents, information about his job, parents' phone number..... everything.

So go ahead, keep pissing people off. You'll soon piss off a person or a group of people enough that they'll do something about it.

[GuidoHunter]

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Its just a metaphor. Trolling it may be, but it is still hell of amusing. I guess false emotions are pretty fun since they have no way to determine how someone actually feels over the internet. Even if someone expresses false emotions its much easier to tell in real life just from faicial expressions and day by day actions. None of that really exists in this virtual world. This is probably why so many teenage girls get raped.

Izzy also needs to be banned from using pronouns. I can't count the times he's used the word "it" without any indication of the atecedent. Case in point:

"Its[sic] just a metaphor."

WHAT'S just a metaphor? I've read all of your recent posts, and there is NO metaphor to be read or interpreted in your post. Do you even KNOW what a metaphor is?

What I find most hilarious is how he thinks -Izzy- is somehow completely separate from who he is. Well, that, and how he's in the I'm-15-and-I-don't-care-about-what-anyone-thinks-of-me phase.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[-Izzy-]

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How can you say im disrespecting people when im not doing anything wrong. And then after that you disrespect me. What i say isnt that random. You just need to read it. Sometimes it is ^_^ Im really not trying to be mean. But just like you everyone has their pet peeves. This just happens to be mine. And then eventually it turns into an arguement where people dont want to back up their side anymore and start calling me stupid and immature. Which is definatly more immature then you consider me to be.

[-Izzy-]

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Izzy also needs to be banned from using pronouns. I can't count the times he's used the word "it" without any indication of the atecedent. Case in point:

"Its[sic] just a metaphor."

WHAT'S just a metaphor? I've read all of your recent posts, and there is NO metaphor to be read or interpreted in your post. Do you even KNOW what a metaphor is?

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

You dont check very hard do you? its there. It really is.
And stop trying dig up random excuses to yell at me.

[Grandiagod]

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Izzy's trolling seems like more of a attention grabbing action than anything else. He just seems like he wants to stir up controversy by posting dumb ideas and acting like an ass.

[-Izzy-]

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You guys sure do reply fast. I like it.

Im not being an ass really. If you read back through there isnt really much hatred emotion going on. Its just hard to tell without actually talking to someone. Attention is fun though.

[banditcom]

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How can you say im disrespecting people when im not doing anything wrong. And then after that you disrespect me. What i say isnt that random. You just need to read it.

You called people, like Guido, stupid (after he stated the definition of faith). So obviously the attack was unjustified, as he was right with the defintion. You got upset (as you like to call it, "caring too much") that you were proven wrong and called him stupid. You're the type of person that can't admit they are wrong, so you turn to flaming.

You called anyone who has faith stupid.

You bash others for "caring too much", which is only said to provoke them. As the only reason you say it is to be annoying and to frustrate someone, as it doesn't make any sense to say that. It's like trying to argue with a retard (loose definition of retard; see following sentence). You get nowhere with them, as they cannot understand simple concepts, making points, etc. You are a retard in that regard. All your posts are done to be annoying, which you do a great job of.

You deserve no respect.

Someone is going to beat the ever-loving shiiit out of you someday.