Bunch of dicks in Canada, eh?

[bmah]

Re: Bunch of dicks in Canada, eh?

Yeah, you really are clueless Aldentron.

[Aldentron]

Re: Bunch of dicks in Canada, eh?

hmmm i don't know, it seems to me like what i said makes perfect sense. i think you must think that i don't acknowledge the presence of fossil fuels and electricity in our everyday lives. i do. i realize that our dependency on these things have ushered a more rapid advancement in technology, technology which also depends on these things. that is what makes me sick about humanity, it's willfulness to depend on things that don't last. i don't think i'm clueless but it's alright for you to think so, mr. smarty pants.

[Conorn]

Re: Bunch of dicks in Canada, eh?

Lol aldentron, we all need to sign to a ****ing protocol. The healing process for earth will be lengthly, and it's the only way to have a step in the right direction of globally cleaning our environment, instead of the treatment being dispersed and mainly from Europe..

[bmah]

Re: Bunch of dicks in Canada, eh?

well, the BEST way to approach protecting the environment would be to stop destroying it. not to limit it or minimize the destruction, but to stop it. in that sense, the kyoto protocol is insufficient. and canada still couldn't keep up with it.

The first step to protecting the environment is a realistic approach. I don't see how you're contributing to the topic if your post is nothing but a mere wish. You can similarily wish that all poverty should disappear, but that's just as unrealistic all the same. It makes perfect sense in your perfect world, so keep it within those boundaries. When you try to apply them to your argument ("in that sense, the kyoto protocol is insufficient. and canada still couldn't keep up with it."), it becomes ineffective and no one can take you seriously. Or at the very least, you must add to your list every single country that signed the protocol, because none of them could keep up with it either.

As I said earlier, it would've been better if Canada didn't sign up to the Kyoto Protocol. It's just unrealistic, that's it. You dislike humanity's dependency? Great. Doesn't change a thing about how to appropriately view environmental issues.

[benguino]

Re: Bunch of dicks in Canada, eh?

Aldentron, I think the point that bmah was trying to get across was that if we all decide to abruptly stop our dependency on oil and fossil fuels, things would most likely turn chaotic. For example, the somewhat-populated island of Oahu in Hawaii would suffer immensely since a lot of the land area has become commerialized, and there wouldn't be enough usable land area to grow enough food to support the nutritional needs of the population on the island and it would be nearly impossible to transport the goods needed to support the island since it is so isolated. I personally think the future lies in alternative sources of energy.

EDIT: Ninja'd by bmah lolol

[foilman8805]

Re: Bunch of dicks in Canada, eh?

As I said earlier, it would've been better if Canada didn't sign up to the Kyoto Protocol. It's just unrealistic, that's it.

While I agree with you, I kind of feel like this is a tad hypocritical when you said earlier that the US not ratifying the protocol is just as big of a symbolic gesture as pulling out of the protocol after participating for over a decade.

So... are we really the bad guys here for not ratifying the protocol, or were we simply equipped with more foresight into the matter and made a better judgment call?

What I'm curious about is how soon other countries will follow behind Canada and start reneging. Then how does all of this look?

[bmah]

Re: Bunch of dicks in Canada, eh?

I can't answer that question for you unless I do some research on the US's decision back then. That could very well be true, or equally likely that the US backed off for a different reason. However, I don't see why you've brought up the initial accusations against Canada in the first place then (then again, you didn't initially foresee serious responses to your thread).

The supposed message behind Canada's leaving from the protocol is to encourage other countries to create their own environmental goals at a rate they can handle. I don't know what will happen, but at least I can say I wouldn't be surprised if other countries follow suit. If that happens, Kyoto Protocol goes poof. Think of more effective methods of environmental protection, etc.

[WTFBrandon]

Re: Bunch of dicks in Canada, eh?

We r a bunch of ******s eh.
But in all seriousness.
Welcome 2012, I await my death.
swag.

[Aldentron]

Re: Bunch of dicks in Canada, eh?

Aldentron, I think the point that bmah was trying to get across was that if we all decide to abruptly stop our dependency on oil and fossil fuels, things would most likely turn chaotic. For example, the somewhat-populated island of Oahu in Hawaii would suffer immensely since a lot of the land area has become commerialized, and there wouldn't be enough usable land area to grow enough food to support the nutritional needs of the population on the island and it would be nearly impossible to transport the goods needed to support the island since it is so isolated. I personally think the future lies in alternative sources of energy.

this is exactly what i WANT to happen. all of these people are so ****ing confused. if people want to quit treating the world like shit, then they need to realize that they won't be able to live cushy lifestyles anymore. that's what happens when you build an unsustainable society.

now you're all getting wrapped up in semantics about who signed what and whether or not it's enough when it's obvious that it's NOT. if canada wanted the kyoto protocol to work for them, maybe they could have spent a little more on wind/solar power research and a little less on stupid ideas that just draw out our dependency on oil longer (Keystone XL)

[bmah]

Re: Bunch of dicks in Canada, eh?

You certainly didn't word yourself too well then haha.

And yes, I've already mentioned this in my first post. Canada has continuously been funding research on how to reduce emissions (e.g. carbon sequestration) and find other ways of using energy (unconventional resources*). The examples you've mentioned though Aldentron is rather inefficient for the costs required and it'll be quite a long way before such resources are utilized regularly. Canada would likely not fare well in regards to solar power within its nation, but wind power is more likely (e.g. Lethbridge, AB). You do know that the usage of those alternative energy resources are very low, and since the cost for research and developing the technology is so expensive, an unlikely prospect. To get to that ideal state where such technology becomes that efficient and not so costly will take quite a while, and you shouldn't be surprised there aren't many takers at the moment.

*Here in Alberta, the government realizes the need for finding alternative methods of obtaining energy in a more efficient and cleaner manner. At the moment, the government is trying to establish a framework for unconventional resource development.

And realize that the Kyoto Protocol was stupid. I've never wanted it to work anyways. Again, I've listed several other ways of getting into a greener habit in my first post.

[Reincarnate]

Re: Bunch of dicks in Canada, eh?

Tragedy of the commons.

When your infrastructure is so heavily invested in fossil fuels, you don't really have much choice. It's costly to switch, and in certain economic climates, that means competitions who DO stick to fossil fuels get the advantage.

It's basically Prisoner's Dilemma. We'd all be better off if we cooperated and reached an optimal solution together, but it's just not going to happen when the downsides of non-reciprocation can be great.

We can't just suddenly STOP using fossil fuels. All sorts of crazy shit would go down and cause a lot of problems for us in the short term (and even then it'd be a fairly long short-term). It's much better to try to ease into it... but hopefully before things run out.