Bush Booed at Inauguration...

[MrRubix]

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Presidents are often made out to be scapegoats during recessions.

[kmay]

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the president has nothing to do with the economy. Its not controlled by the government, im pretty sure everyone here should know that. what i saying is that the war we are in is contributing to the recession

[Grandiagod]

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WE as a country voted on Bush.

How would you feel if you got a bad grade on your report card and everyone booed you because you got a bad grade.

He may have done some bad things but being President is a huge deal and a lot of pressure is put on him to make the right choice. If Bush pleased one side of the people then he wouldn't please another side. Every decision he makes only pleases one side of America, the left or the right.

By Right or left side you must mean 27% of America vs 73% because I believe that was his recent poll numbers.

If we didn't go to war in Iraq who knows what could be happening right now. We could be thriving and not it this "recession" or we could be being bomb left and right. You need to think about what COULD happen.

Yes the possible outcomes of not going to war against a sovereign country on false pretenses are so vague and unpredictable.

Don't call me retarded for having different political views then you. Especially because i can see both sides of it while your sitting over there completely oblivious to the consequences that could happen if we go the other way.

Understanding that things could have positive or negative consequences is hardly "seeing both sides" of an issue. In fact you display a lack of understanding of "both sides" by dividing all issues down the middle into a "left or right" category when in reality most issues have more than two different supporting or dissenting opinions.

wish you could be banned from this forum for being ignorant.

Don't wish too hard, I'm sure someone here would miss you.

[Grandiagod]

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the president has nothing to do with the economy. Its not controlled by the government, im pretty sure everyone here should know that. what i saying is that the war we are in is contributing to the recession

What, no. The recession was caused by the subprime mortgage fiasco. Which could have been prevented with more government regulatory oversight.

If you don't even know why the recession exists then you're hardly qualified to talk about it.

[kmay]

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I know what how and why it was caused, im trying to support expres bush just a little. We wouldn't be in such a state of bankruptcy if we didnt have to spend so much money over seas for the war.

[MrRubix]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrfPMa3lONU

This is worth watching, regardless of what you may think of O'Reilly.

[OrganisM]

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WE as a country voted on Bush.

I did not have a say in the outcome, so that "we" is pointless.

How would you feel if you got a bad grade on your report card and everyone booed you because you got a bad grade.

If the lives of 300 million people hinged on it, I'd feel as if I should have taken better responsibility.

He may have done some bad things but being President is a huge deal and a lot of pressure is put on him to make the right choice.

Yeah, welcome to being president. If you can't handle it, you should have the good conscience and common sense not to take the job. Are you seriously making excuses for him saying "oh, the job's hard, poor Georgie"?

If Bush pleased one side of the people then he wouldn't please another side. Every decision he makes only pleases one side of America, the left or the right.

It's not about pleasing whatever side, it's about doing the right thing.

If we didn't go to war in Iraq who knows what could be happening right now. We could be thriving and not it this "recession" or we could be being bomb left and right.

Wow, what terrible conjecture based on thin air. It amazes me what passes for fact. Note that 9/11 was a single attack, and we didn't go to war after the WTC had already been twice attacked. Also note that the attack was financed by Saudis, and not one single member of the attack was Iraqi. Iraq has never attacked us, and at one point was even our ally. Our justification was that they had WMD's. Where are those WMD's, and what is the connection to the 9/11 terrorist attack? There is absolutely none, and they've gone out and admitted it. Yet people still use this garbage as justification for the slaughter of thousands of innocent people, the invasion and disrespect of another country, world outrage, and the deaths of many of our troops. You think the invasion of Iraq will stop the Saudis from attacking the US? And what kind of offensive would they launch? We've been in a stalemate for years now. There will be no serious attack simply because there cannot be without the world's end.

You need to think about what COULD happen.

Using rational conclusions based on previous trends and on reasonable possibilities, I've thought about what COULD happen. What COULD'VE happened is that the US could've respected the rest of the world and instead searched only Afghanistan for the man who was to blame. The problem is that certain members of the Saudis were involved, and they own approximately 6 to 7% of this country. All that matters is what's in our pockets.

Don't call me retarded for having different political views then you.

I'm calling you stupid for having nothing to substantiate your views, and for regurgitating garbage political propaganda. There's a difference.

Especially because i can see both sides of it while your sitting over there completely oblivious to the consequences that could happen if we go the other way. I wish you could be banned from this forum for being ignorant.

Obviously you don't see "both sides of it". You've been brainwashed and you accept what the conservatives say without valid reason behind it.

the president has nothing to do with the economy. Its not controlled by the government, im pretty sure everyone here should know that. what i saying is that the war we are in is contributing to the recession

Uhh, think again. The government, whether or not this is supposedly a laissez-faire type of thing, has a large role in the economy. The government's decision to spend over 500 billiion dollars in taxpayer money has severely affected the economy. Much of the economy hinges on government contracts. Unless you're saying that those defense contractors and other companies like Blackwater and Halliburton are not part of the economy. The president heads the executive branch of the government, and the government has a huge impact on the economy. Case in point: The bailout package? That's government money. Guess what the government is buying? Companies that are failing. They're literally taking stock in failed companies. Huh, funny how this supposed lack of government involvement has nothing to do with the economy.

Yeah, the war we are in, which we started, which was started by the Bush administration, is contributing to the recession. Notice how the rest of the world is doing far better than we are? It's true. We have been surpassed by a number of countries in terms of prosperity and strength of economy, and we're actually dragging down the world economy quite a bit.

Scapegoat? I wouldn't say so. The president has more power than we give credit for, and so does his administration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrfPMa3lONU

This is worth watching, regardless of what you may think of O'Reilly.

Sorry, I can't take him seriously. He brings people on his show and doesn't have the common respect to bring out both sides of the argument and have a discussion. He yells and points fingers and allows for no dialogue. He's a witch going on a witch hunt. The fact that the guy has a place on a major news network is an embarrassment to journalism, though sadly I think there's not been much to be said about the media for decades. Quality reporting with honesty involved has been long gone, if it ever did exist outside of principle.

[Grandiagod]

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I know what how and why it was caused, im trying to support expres bush just a little. We wouldn't be in such a state of bankruptcy if we didnt have to spend so much money over seas for the war.

You're thinking of two different things. There's the recession, which is the collapse of the economy versus the National deficit which is how much money the US government is in debt.

They deficit affects the economy slightly through consumer confidence but it's completely different and the war in Iraq/national deficit in no way caused the recession.

[Grandiagod]

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Yeah, the war we are in, which we started, which was started by the Bush administration, is contributing to the recession. Notice how the rest of the world is doing far better than we are?

No. I haven't. Please direct me to the evidence that the European and Asian markets have not crashed because pesky things like "facts" seem to be disagreeing with you.

[kmay]

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haha rubix that was extremely entertaining.

[OrganisM]

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No. I haven't. Please direct me to the evidence that the European and Asian markets have not crashed because pesky things like "facts" seem to be disagreeing with you.

http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=66&c=xx&l=en

Check out world GDP growth average. Then check out Russia. And China. And India, as well. Check out the UK. Look at other countries. Then look at the US. There's one good example.

Looks like those pesky facts are on my side.

[ledwix]

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You know, I totally agree with foil. Bush may have been bad, but he tried.

Well, if pleading ignorance is justified at the highest office in the land, then I suppose you're right; he tried. But this type of behavior should not be deemed acceptable at this level of power. Now what do I mean by pleading ignorance. When recently asked what he thought his biggest failures were (I believe it was his final press conference), he mentioned the display of a "Mission Accomplished" sign in 2003 and how he should have conveyed a different message than that. He also mentioned how he did not physically land his plane in New Orleans immediately after the major hurricane. I argue that these were "political" mistakes and not ACTUAL mistakes, because that which concerns the lives of everyday Americans is that which should be the priority of a president. The actual errors were not the lack of a photo op for publicity but the way in which he handled and perpetuated actual problems, such as Hurricane Katrina or 9/11. This is good evidence that he was so concerned with the politics of the situation that the actual subject matter sometimes flew over his head, which leads me to believe he is willingly clueless

As for the actual booing, I found it a little unnecessary, and I think if I were there I would have either remained silent or clapped for Bush's farewell as a sort of ceremonial respect. After all, the whole thing is a ceremonial affair; raising a right hand doesn't make a statement any more sincere than without the hand raised, etc.

[Grandiagod]

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http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=66&c=xx&l=en

Check out world GDP growth average. Then check out Russia. And China. And India, as well. Check out the UK. Look at other countries. Then look at the US. There's one good example.

Looks like those pesky facts are on my side.

Oh hey look, the peak for the US GDP growth was in 2005, two years after the war had started. Makes sense that the iraq war caused the recession. HURF


Right... in 2005 there was a steady decline in GDP growth. Now considering the recession we're in burst late September in America, it doesn't make sense to look at GDP growth loss for the past half decade to determine if other markets besides the United States are affected by the current subprime mortgage loan collapse.

In fact, lets look at the statistics for Dow Jones STOXX (european dow jones) for the last few months.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=SXXP%3AIND

Sorry, your facts, while true. Are irrelevant (and contradict) your point that somehow the deficit in Iraq lead to subprime mortgage defaults in America.

[operationstrawbarry]

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The booing was rediculous and uncalled for. But I believe at this time, Bush doesn't even care about the booing since hes heard it enough. So its just the audience booing themselves since its them that elected him for the second term. You can't really blame bush for winning a second time. Blame you'reself.

Im not going to say that hes a bad president or one that should be impeached, nor am I going to say that or believe it. He tried his best and that all a person can give. Outcome or not, he was president for the second term so in a sense, as an outcome, we did elect him. It just sux that things turning out this way. Lets just put this conversation aside and see what the new president will do.

[OrganisM]

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Oh hey look, the peak for the US GDP growth was in 2005, two years after the war had started. Makes sense that the iraq war caused the recession. HURF


Right... in 2005 there was a steady decline in GDP growthy. Now considering the recession we're in burst late September in America, it doesn't make sense to look at GDP growth loss for the past half decade to determine if other markets besides the United States are affected by the current subprime mortgage loan collapse.

In fact, lets look at the statistics for Dow Jones STOXX (european dow jones) for the last few months.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=SXXP%3AIND

Sorry, your facts, while true. Are irrelevant (and contradict) your point that somehow the deficit in Iraq lead to subprime mortgage defaults in America.

I was under the impression that the mortgage problem was partially caused by a lot of inadvisable loans to those who weren't qualified, and also that the decision to do so had a lot to do with there being far less qualified people to buy a home, which was caused by the poor economy for which the Iraq was partly to blame. I honestly didn't realize that these aren't related. And perhaps I should have clarified that I'm speaking more to the general state of the economy than the current mortgage problem in the US. You asked me for proof that the rest of the world is doing better than we are, on the whole, and I personally think GDP growth rates are a good measure for that.

Im not going to say that hes a bad president or one that should be impeached, nor am I going to say that or believe it. He tried his best and that all a person can give. Outcome or not, he was president for the second term so in a sense, as an outcome, we did elect him. It just sux that things turning out this way. Lets just put this conversation aside and see what the new president will do.

Oh come on, you're really justifying the president's actions and those of his administration with "well, shit happens"?