Why Today's World Sucks.

[devonin]

Re: Why Today's World Sucks.

Arrogance is arrogance when you start thinking that being better than someone in some aspect entitles you to disrespect that person.

Question: Did you actually read my whole post? This was totally addressed in the body of the text. Why is there something inherantly wrong with you respecting that in some field I'm superior to you? That doesn't make me better than you, it makes me better than you -at that-

If "that" happens to be "absolutely everything we can think of" then is it really so fundamentally bad to admit that maybe some people actually are better than other people?

[moches]

Re: Why Today's World Sucks.

Question: Did you actually read my whole post? This was totally addressed in the body of the text. Why is there something inherantly wrong with you respecting that in some field I'm superior to you? That doesn't make me better than you, it makes me better than you -at that-

If "that" happens to be "absolutely everything we can think of" then is it really so fundamentally bad to admit that maybe some people actually are better than other people?

Yeah, I actually did read the whole post, and I wasn't arguing with you, I was simply adding to what you were saying.

If you misunderstood that, my bad. I respect your experience in this field, so if somehow my post came off wrong, sorry again.

[foilman8805]

Re: Why Today's World Sucks.

Question: Did you actually read my whole post? This was totally addressed in the body of the text. Why is there something inherantly wrong with you respecting that in some field I'm superior to you? That doesn't make me better than you, it makes me better than you -at that-

If "that" happens to be "absolutely everything we can think of" then is it really so fundamentally bad to admit that maybe some people actually are better than other people?

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[devonin]

Re: Why Today's World Sucks.

You're funny, foilman.

Moches, I suppose I should have quoted more of your post to make it more clear exactly what issue I was raising there. You're saying "Instead of equality, I mean everyone should respect everyone else" to which I really have to say "why?"

What is it about an ignorant bigoted racist that I should respect? What is it about someone who takes glee in causing other people to suffer needlessly that I should respect?

We should respect how marvellously flawed they are?
I should respect people because of their flaws? In spite of their flaws? Aren't flaws by definition not worthy of respecting?

[Misa_Amane]

Re: Why Today's World Sucks.

the only new change here is the age of starvation.

[devonin]

Re: Why Today's World Sucks.

What the crap does that even mean?

[foilman8805]

Re: Why Today's World Sucks.

the only new change here is the age of starvation.

I can't wait till the FFR Forum Awards. You'll be getting my Worst Poster vote.

[moches]

Re: Why Today's World Sucks.

You're funny, foilman.

Moches, I suppose I should have quoted more of your post to make it more clear exactly what issue I was raising there. You're saying "Instead of equality, I mean everyone should respect everyone else" to which I really have to say "why?"

What is it about an ignorant bigoted racist that I should respect? What is it about someone who takes glee in causing other people to suffer needlessly that I should respect?

We should respect how marvellously flawed they are?
I should respect people because of their flaws? In spite of their flaws? Aren't flaws by definition not worthy of respecting?

The "fighting fire with fire" rule applies.

Many people, if confronted unfairly, then will lash back, but what does that really solve? Isn't this just becoming a cycle of hate? I know from experience that fire to fire will only create a bigger fire, thus creating a bigger fire, until the fire is so big it burns everything out. So "respect" in this case would be to let their fires burn out on their own.

As for flaws, I admit you are mostly correct there. Whereas flaws are not worthy of respect, "respect" over here would be to tolerate the person instead of hating them for one flaw.

I guess respect applies differently in different situations.

[devonin]

Re: Why Today's World Sucks.

If you want to be appropriately cynical and Nietzschean about it, the correct way to deal with those weaker than yourself who are trying to start something with you is to simply ignore them. Either ignore their feeble attempts to confront you, or accept it as a valid confrontation and crush them for trying. Dealing with an inferior as an equal is one of the surest signs of weakness in Nietzschean philosophy. Basically, if they can actually manage to challenge you in a meaningful way, either they are stronger than you thought they were, or you are weaker than you think you are.

There's no good or evil in there, there's not a value judgement of any kind, which seems to be what you find problematic. Most people are stuck in the idea that calling something "strong" vs "weak" or "good" vs "bad" necessarily entails a value judgement (If I say that was a bad meal, I'm saying that it rates poorly compared to other meals, or was just below some standard I've set for a good meal) but the point that is trying to be made here is that applying moral judgements to any of this is fallacious, because morality is just a construction of people who are looking for a way to either blame someone else for being strong and knowing it, or to excuse their own inability to accept their weakness.

[The Dragon Knight]

Re: Why Today's World Sucks.

You make it sound that everyone is conceited, whereas that is most certainly not true.

[immawhiteguy]

Re: Why Today's World Sucks.

You make it sound that everyone is conceited, whereas that is most certainly not true.

We all are in some way about some thing.

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You don't get it at all.

If those people had free will, they would be able to choose their leaders - choose leaders that are responsible and answer to their needs.

What you're basically asking for is a world with a leader that has NO free will and people with NO free will either? What the hell. You might as well lock up everyone in cages.

I was saying no leadership, since it wouldn't be necessary where everyone does the same thing and needs no real direction because of it. Unless it was controlled by a deity or something.

You know, Communism looks amazing on paper. But due to logic and opinions and things, it naturally sucks.

[devonin]

Re: Why Today's World Sucks.

For example: immawhiteguy is being concieted by asserting that he knows for a fact that everyone is concieted in some way.

[immawhiteguy]

Re: Why Today's World Sucks.

For example: immawhiteguy is being concieted by asserting that he knows for a fact that everyone is concieted in some way.

Exactly, just as Devonin is being conceited by asserting he knows that I know for a fact that everyone is conceited in some way.

[devonin]

Re: Why Today's World Sucks.

Exactly, just as Devonin is being conceited by asserting he knows that I know for a fact that everyone is conceited in some way.

Er...afraid not on that one. I'm asserting that you -say- everyone is concieted in some way. I know this to be true because of your direct quote: "We all are in some way about some thing."

[Nyokou]

Re: Why Today's World Sucks.

I was saying no leadership, since it wouldn't be necessary where everyone does the same thing and needs no real direction because of it. Unless it was controlled by a deity or something.

You know, Communism looks amazing on paper. But due to logic and opinions and things, it naturally sucks.

So that's pretty much anarchy.

No government, no leader, no control = chaos.

People would not survive because there would be no order, no matter what country you live in. We might as well live as cavemen because most people only even do their jobs these days because they HAVE to, not because they want to, knowing there are higher-ups who depend on them to work and keep society running the way it is.