Apparently, I've been sheltered from typical teens on the Internet

[Relambrien]

Re: Apparently, I've been sheltered from typical teens on the Internet

Is the arguement of this thread is that chat speech is bad.

No. If you'd read my OP more carefully, you would see that I was merely commenting on how widespread chatspeak has become, and was hoping to initiate discussion on the subject.

What does not being able to understand people have to do with it? Are you saying that using abbreviations (like u, sum1, or ne) are making people less intelligent?

If you'd read some of my posts in the thread more carefully, you would see that that isn't what I'm saying either. I explicitly stated that a person's typing style of choice doesn't affect their intelligence, but rather, many people may consider someone who uses chat speak to be less intelligent than someone who types formally.

I also remarked on the correlation between formality of posts and content quality. I don't believe that formality causes an increase in content quality, but rather, those that can create posts with better quality are often the ones who type formally. The reverse isn't necessarily true though; people who type formally aren't always the ones who make posts with high content quality.

It is harder when your online if you are talking to multiple people. If you have 5 AIM conversations going your not going to take time to read over your sentences.

If that's the case, you shouldn't be talking to five different people at once if you want any sort of meaningful discussion, exactly for the reason that it's too difficult to read, come up with a meaningful response of your own, and type it if you're talking to so many people.

Your initial arguement was too long and your trying too hard to be smart. Maybe if you added more commas into your essay some might believe your intelligent. Just because you pretend to be smart doesn't make you better than everyone else.

And this just bewilders me. I'm "trying too hard to be smart?" This is exactly how I always communicate, online and off. This is me speaking normally.

And I never once claimed that I'm better than everyone else. Once again, the whole point of this thread was to initiate discussion on the use of chatspeak, based on the realization that chatspeak is used far more frequently than I previously imagined.

In my opinion, there are times when chatspeak can be fine. A lot of phrases in chatspeak are efficient. They save space and time. I am usually ok with these kinds of phrases as long as they do not overpopulate messages. On the other hand, words like "kewl", where the word "cool" is the exact same number of letters and arguably easier to type, anger me the most. It is just a pointless phonetic interpretation of an english word.

I agree; a small number of abbreviations are acceptable in informal situations, such as "cause" or "cuz," short for "because." Just not in excess, like what I've been seeing.

[fido123]

Re: Apparently, I've been sheltered from typical teens on the Internet

I absolulty hate it when one spicific friend of mine talks. His MSN Personal Message as been "vball crazy good ye ye" for the past two years. He types like how a steriotypical ganster would talk like like taking 'don't' like 'dun'.

He also makes NO sense while talking. I'll try to dig up the actual convo but it went like this but half the words were emotions he made shortcuts to actual words like "cool" being a spinning hub cap and "so" a sewing machine.

Him: yo what wuz da engrish hw"
Me: That worksheet she gave us in class"
Him: wut ws?
Me: ws?
Him: ws
Me: wtf is a "ws"
Him: omg ur so dum
Me: For the love of god stop making up your own acronyms
Him: idc [I found out that meant "I don't Care"]
Me: I can't help you if your ganna type like a retard
Him: ur dum
Me: ffs fine
Him: just tell me about the ws [I got what it meant about here but like **** I'm letting him type like that]
Him: i can see why your not failing
Me: Good
Him: that wuz a dis
Me: how
Him: I dun no y ur passin
Me: You just said you can see why I'm passing
Him: omg your dumb


This went on for another 5 minutes but it turns out "can" meant can't but it's that "gangster talk" where you don't pronounce anything after the apostrophe apparently.

EDIT: MrMatt is a ******

[devonin]

Re: Apparently, I've been sheltered from typical teens on the Internet

Are you saying that using abbreviations (like u, sum1, or ne) are making people less intelligent? It is harder when your online if you are talking to multiple people. If you have 5 AIM conversations going your not going to take time to read over your sentences.

I can, do, and have no problem whatsoever with reading two forums, holding 4 or 5 chat conversations, logged into two text-based games with active chat systems and still managing to find the wherewithal to use full and complete sentences in each and every one of them.

If you are unable to hold even a few conversations in text at once without having to resort to leaving out letters, making everything into an abbreviation, and otherwise ignoring the rules of the language, I think there are other issues involved.

Your initial arguement was too long and your trying too hard to be smart.

His initial arguement was only too long if you have the attention span of a housefly. Seriously, a few paragraphs is too much for you? God help you when you have to read and comprehend a few hundred pages of academic writing and then analyse it. (Seriously, don't go into history in the future if that was 'too long' for you.)

Relambrien is almost certainly capable of sounding a hell of a lot "smarter" than that. He's one of the more intellectual users in his age bracket around here certainly, but nothing in that post was "trying to sound smart" that's just how smart he happens to be.

Maybe if you added more commas into your essay some might believe your intelligent. Just because you pretend to be smart doesn't make you better than everyone else.

Flaming people because they happen to use complete sentences, put forward cogent and useful arguments, and encourage people to have a reasonable and meaningful discussion, just makes you look like a jerk.

[PinoySkillz]

Re: Apparently, I've been sheltered from typical teens on the Internet

I think it's more annoying when unintelligent people try to pass off as intelligent by not using txt talk.

Wow, way to sound like a pompous prick. On the first page, you say you get annoyed by a friend who uses text talk. Yet when somebody "unintelligent" doesn't use text talk, you get annoyed by that too.

So I suppose by your standards, only "intelligent" people are allowed to use proper grammar while "unintelligent" people should stop trying to better their typing and just stick to text talk huh?

[Zageron]

Re: Apparently, I've been sheltered from typical teens on the Internet

Wow, way to sound like a pompous prick. On the first page, you say you get annoyed by a friend who uses text talk. Yet when somebody "unintelligent" doesn't use text talk, you get annoyed by that too.

So I suppose by your standards, only "intelligent" people are allowed to use proper grammar while "unintelligent" people should stop trying to better their typing and just stick to text talk huh?

Yeah.

If unintelligent people aren't allowed to 'pass off as intelligent people' then how are they ever going to become intelligent?

[Relambrien]

Re: Apparently, I've been sheltered from typical teens on the Internet

@PinoySkillz (EDIT: so you know, this is one of those things I find acceptable to use, when responding to a general idea of a post rather than a specific part of it, making a quote unnecessary)

I think massflavour was saying that he gets annoyed by people who use formal language for the explicit purpose of sounding intelligent, as a way to mask their own lack of intelligence.

Those who use formal English because they want to, or because they feel that it's better to use than chatspeak, I doubt he would have a problem with regardless of their intelligence.

[purebloodtexan]

Re: Apparently, I've been sheltered from typical teens on the Internet

I plan on having a Myspace once I get some of my music out in the open, but I'm clearly going to have to tell people to type intelligently if they want to leave a comment.

[massflavour]

Re: Apparently, I've been sheltered from typical teens on the Internet

So I suppose by your standards, only "intelligent" people are allowed to use proper grammar while "unintelligent" people should stop trying to better their typing and just stick to text talk huh?

Read Relambrien's post, I couldn't have said it better.

[purebloodtexan]

Re: Apparently, I've been sheltered from typical teens on the Internet

@PinoySkillz (EDIT: so you know, this is one of those things I find acceptable to use, when responding to a general idea of a post rather than a specific part of it, making a quote unnecessary)

I think massflavour was saying that he gets annoyed by people who use formal language for the explicit purpose of sounding intelligent, as a way to mask their own lack of intelligence.

Those who use formal English because they want to, or because they feel that it's better to use than chatspeak, I doubt he would have a problem with regardless of their intelligence.

What about those that type "intelligently" (the bad kind) without even thinking about it? I've been flamed multiple times because I was using a diverse vocabulary while typing.

[Relambrien]

Re: Apparently, I've been sheltered from typical teens on the Internet

Maybe I'm just having a moment of stupidity, but could you clarify what you mean, please? I'm a little lost.

[Crashfan3]

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Edit: Missed 2 pages of thread, lol. My bad.

[Sullyman2007]

Re: Apparently, I've been sheltered from typical teens on the Internet

Zageron...seriously what the hell did that have to do with anything that was going on?

To the actual point of the thread: I consider it lazy and ignorant to be unwilling to type using actual words with proper spelling, grammar and punctuation. It is only going to hurt you in the future when you are in university, typing up research essays for credit in courses you're paying thousands of dollars to be enrolled in.

I know several elementary and secondary school teachers that are getting schoolwork handed in full of chat speak, and invalid abbreviations, so you can't tell me that this "I only use it on the internet because it doesn't matter" excuse is in any way true.

People are just becoming lazy. I can type perfectly quickly while spelling all of my words out, probably faster than most chat speak users can type in their lazy nonsense. One of the reasons I can do that is because I have always done it that way. It is just as easy a habit to get into, and you derive nothing but benefit from it.

It is perfectly logical to assume that all the people who use text speak are lazy and unwilling, but you can't speak for everyone. There are plenty of people, such as myself, who use it in a not so literal sense. Words like "lol" and "brb" arn't such a bad thing, they can be used to set the mood, or can be a quick reference while just chatting.

Of course, I know you can't use these words in real life, but you have to remember, this is the internet. It is often very difficult to convey ones personal feelings or sarcasm through written word. Sometimes you have to improvise, and use words like "lol" to show your just kidding around, not being serious.

Now, to expand more on my actuall postition in this thread, I really cant stand people who use text speak on a regular basis. It's the people who use it to actually hold conversations that really bother me. I use it, only to convey certain feelings, but not to have a conversation.

[purebloodtexan]

Re: Apparently, I've been sheltered from typical teens on the Internet

Maybe I'm just having a moment of stupidity, but could you clarify what you mean, please? I'm a little lost.

Sometimes I type in a large vocabulary without even thinking about it and people often assume that I'm trying to look intelligent.

[customstuff]

Re: Apparently, I've been sheltered from typical teens on the Internet

I'm a teen and I type properly. Come on it's not that hard!!

[devonin]

Re: Apparently, I've been sheltered from typical teens on the Internet

acronyms =/= chatspeak

Chatspeak bears much more resemblance to abbreviations than to acronyms.