Final Fantasy XIV

[xealix]

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Wooo Go ATB!! I enjoy classic rpg's better then any of the real time stuff, and of course i think kingdom hearts is amazing just cause disney + FF= Bad Ass.
At least to me anyways. Really I dont feel there is any reason to rag on any game out there if its not your style dont play it and dont comment on it. deffinetly dont tell people its a bad game cause you never know who will like it.

[Squeek]

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I'm not specifically ragging on the games. I'm saying I don't like them and I'm asking for an explanation as to what makes them good, because I'm a huge RPG fan and I cannot stand Final Fantasy games. Those two facts coincide to make me wonder what it is that makes them so good to you guys, because in my mind people just buy these games based on the fact that it is another "Final Fantasy ##" game.

[ShAiOnEi]

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No, I meant it literally.

There's absolutely no reason to continue to pursue broken turn-based combat systems. None.

We've had the technology for true real-time combat for ages now. Either stick with a standard turn-based system or go real-time. This in-between stuff is atrociously bad.

I knew when I said anything bad about Square that I'd have a fanboy on my ass about it, since so many people are absolutely in love with Final Fantasy. Alls I'm trying to say here is that ATB is pointless and they need to abandon it.

I am a fan of RPGs, just not Final Fantasy games (or any Square franchises for that matter). It's not just ATB, since I know they haven't always had it. There's just something lacking from every single game they make. I wouldn't be able to tell you what that is, but it always feels unfinished to me. When I compare a game like FFX or FFXII to Persona 3 or Tales of the Abyss, there's just no contest. The character development in both of those games is second to none (except each other). The character development in FFX and FFXII... where is it? Is there any? I certainly never saw it in the 5 hours I could stand playing before quitting. This trend carries into other Square games too. The games feel unfinished.

It just feels to me like Square knows they have a fanbase that will buy anything it puts out, so they just don't care anymore. Look at how many Kingdom Hearts fanboys there are who will completely ignore the fact that Kingdom Hearts 2 was basically 95% cutscene and 5% gameplay (if you can call mashing X and occasionally pressing triangle gameplay) and continue to plead and beg for Kingdom Hearts 3 information even though it will probably be yet another fanboy-driven re-hash of the exact same gameplay from the previous 2 games with OMG CLOUD!!!!!!!!! ^_^ cutscenes thrown in for good measure.

TL;DR - drop ATB.

ps - as for this topic (since we'll be off it soon if we're not already), just play WoW. You know, unless you want bosses that take 36 straight hours of combat to complete.

Your criticisms are lame keep up with your animosity towards final fantasy games but don't start pulling fanboy attacks. I have played shin megami tensei games and they are fun but I also enjoy much playing the occasional final fantasy. They don't sell strictly because of their name I mean if they had no gameplay value I could understand your points but I have personally played squares games. Character development is fine and I have spend a good deal of time creating powerful characters happily. That's one reason I am looking forward to FF14 because it won't have characters like you running your mouth about how closed minded you really are.

[Squeek]

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I'm not specifically ragging on the games. I'm saying I don't like them and I'm asking for an explanation as to what makes them good, because I'm a huge RPG fan and I cannot stand Final Fantasy games. Those two facts coincide to make me wonder what it is that makes them so good to you guys, because in my mind people just buy these games based on the fact that it is another "Final Fantasy ##" game.

I'm not specifically ragging on the games. I'm saying I don't like them and I'm asking for an explanation as to what makes them good, because I'm a huge RPG fan and I cannot stand Final Fantasy games. Those two facts coincide to make me wonder what it is that makes them so good to you guys, because in my mind people just buy these games based on the fact that it is another "Final Fantasy ##" game.

Addendum - and they defend them vigorously even when I don't directly attack them.

So, to clarify with big bold letters.

Please explain to me what makes Final Fantasy games so good that you simply must buy each new one as it comes out.

I am not ragging on you for buying these games religiously, because if I did so I would be a hypocrite as I do the same for Tales games. I buy consoles specifically so I can play the new Tales games, because the franchise is really awesome. Tales Studio has a knack for character development and they know how to make a complete game from start to finish. The combat system is the biggest draw though, because it's so well fleshed out and just beautifully executed. I couldn't care less that I'm fighting the thousandth or ten thousandth encounter trying to find a rare drop, because the combat is always fun no matter how many times you do it. Link this together with a perfect soundtrack in every game and you can see why I buy Tales games every time there's a new one.

Have I been bitten for buying every Tales game I can? Sure. ToS2 was horribly bad. I'll admit that my devotion to the series clouded my judgment on that one. But Tales of Vesperia was more than enough to make up for just how bad ToS2 was, and I can always fall back on Tales of the Abyss if I want to experience absolute RPG perfection. And, though I love real-time combat, it's not as if I hate turn-based combat. Disgaea and Phantom Brave taught me that SRPGs can be fun. Persona 3 and Wild Arms 3 showed me that turn-based games don't always suck and that I was just playing the wrong turn-based games (aka Square games). And I'm not even saying all Square games are bad. Chrono Trigger was pretty good (didn't really like it though). Mario RPG was phenomenal.

I'm mostly saying the direction they have taken since their first PlayStation games has been detrimental to progress in the franchise and that they really need to re-evaluate their style as it is beginning to turn off even their biggest fans.

But I'm also saying that I can't stand playing their games for more than an hour because they're just really boring and they have a weird way of telling their stories by not actually telling you anything. I played FFX for about 10 hours (the longest I've ever played a final fantasy game!) and this is all I got out of the story: you're a kid and somehow you decide to protect this girl and it's sad and then you play underwater volleyball the end. FF6: You're a girl in a robot and you fight things and then I quit because I had no idea what was going on and couldn't care less. FF7: you're a mercenary with spiky hair and triangles for arms and you fight things for some people and then I quit. Crystal Chronicles: you have to buy what to play with friends? Why can't I just use another controller? Why did I buy this game =/

[Bojack2424]

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i was just wondering wether or not the games are on the same timeline...

if any of you happen to know >_>

[Squeek]

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i was just wondering wether or not the games are on the same timeline...

if any of you happen to know >_>

They aren't.

[ffussr]

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What platforms is Final Fantasy 14 coming to?
Currently the game is confirmed for PlayStation 3 and Windows PC. An Xbox 360 version isn't official, but Square Enix is considering the possibility that it could.

What do we know about the setting and the story?
It takes place on an all-new Final Fantasy world known as "Eorzea." Though it does share some monsters and races from Final Fantasy XI, they're not direct representations and have been altered in multiple ways that make them unique to Eorzea. The similarities in races will allow experienced Final Fantasy XI players to create a new Final Fantasy 14 character that looks somewhat comparable.

What is the combat system like?
The development team won't say, but it did confirm to us that... Additionally, the heavy team-play aspect of FF11 has been deemphasized, and now exploration and battle is said to be more balanced between solo and team play.

How does the leveling system work?
Square Enix is cagey about how characters advance, but it has confirmed with IGN that growth is not based on experience and that it will work on a different system entirely.

What about jobs?
Jobs will return in Final Fantasy 14, but they will be much different than the job system present in Final Fantasy XI.

How important are the weapons?
Weapons are very important and have a heavy influence on your character and how they succeed in the game world. Square Enix says to look closely at the official Final Fantasy 14 logo for hints and hidden meanings about how the game will work.

What hidden meanings?
Square Enix told us that when it approached Amano to do the logo art for Final Fantasy 14, that weapons were very important and to think of the concept of a "wheel." Specifically, a wheel of adventurers that has their weapon in front of them and an exposed backside -- which leaves each adventurer to rely heavily on their comrades and their friends. Let the speculation begin.

Anything else about the weapons?
The team let slip to us that choosing weapons for specific tasks one day versus another could affect how your character develops.

How much of the first trailer is in-game versus pre-rendered?
The debut trailer is actually a mixture of real-time in-game footage and pre-rendered wizardry. The combat scene in particular was created using the in-game engine.

Will the PlayOnline service be used for Final Fantasy 14?
No. Square Enix told us that the reason it is ditching the PlayOnline system is because it was originally meant as an all-in-one solution to house multiple content types. But as PlayOnline has offered less content over the years, the need for the next online Final Fantasy to us PO is moot. Whatever new service (if any) is used, PC and PlayStation 3 users will still be able to play with each other on the same servers, and Square Enix also confirmed with IGN that you can sign in with a universal ID on either system to pick up where you left off if you own both.

When is it coming out and when is the beta?
The game will come out in 2010, and after Final Fantasy XIII which is scheduled for spring of the same year. Final Fantasy 14 beta plans are still being finalized, but that the plan is to have a longer beta period than that of Final Fantasy XI (which had a beta of about 3-4 months). Japanese, English, French and German. Final Fantasy 14 will also be released simultaneously in all regions that use those languages.

Who's Working on the Game?
It is produced by Hiromichi Tanaka (Final Fantasy I, II, III, and IX) and directed by Nobuaki Komoto (Final Fantasy IX, XI), with art direction by Akihiko Yoshida (Vagrant Story, Final Fantasy XII) and a musical score from Nobuo Uematsu (Most Final Fantasies ever). Yoaka Amano has designed the logo and is pulling additional art duties as well.

Uematsu only did a few tracks in Final Fantasy XI, how much is he doing for XIV?
Square Enix revealed to IGN that Uematsu will be doing all the music for Final Fantasy 14 and that it will be composed in a range of different styles and genres.

What modern day MMOs have influenced the design and direction of Final Fantasy 14?
In addition to the team's original work on Final Fantasy XI, World of Warcraft, Age of Conan and Warhammer Online have been three recent games that have had some pull, but the Final Fantasy XI community's feedback has been the most important factor in its design.

Are Chocobos back?
Yes, they will return. But Square Enix has told IGN that it is looking at using them in a completely different way than they were used in Final Fantasy XI (where they were used as riding steeds).

[Squeek]

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Thank you Wikipedia.

[LckyLeprechaun1]

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ohno, its going to turn out like 11, everyone run for the hills!

[Squeek]

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It's not like Final Fantasy 11 is bad. They have a lot they can learn from their first foray into MMOs in making 14 and a few design concepts they can fix, but really that's about it.

Just remove the 20-hour boss fights and the grinding and people might enjoy it more.

The fights in WoW are just as epic and the average boss fight is only 5-10 minutes.

[tsugomaru]

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Because it's a fad. People continue buying Final Fantasy games because it has a big name. Not everyone has the luxury of buying every single RPG out there and not everyone takes the advice of good friends who have played many RPGs and have a better sense of what's amazing and what's not. They'll go with what's safe for their money and that's a game with a big name and one a lot of people have played. I've met people who tell me that they've played a Kingdom Hearts or Final Fantasy game and absolutely love it and is the best and ignore my suggestion of playing Tales games because they simply believe it's not going to be good.

In the end, I conclude that Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts is a good game for them. But not because it's a good game but because it's the only decent RPG they've played. However, for most people, when they say Final Fantasy is the best game, I just see them as people who haven't played very many games.

As an aside, I personally don't think the Final Fantasy series is the best out there, but it's also not the bottom of the barrel.

~Tsugomaru

[IceAgez_101]

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Lol Krunkykai, 12 is different. i jus started it yesetrdaii
but XIV should be pretty good.
im not gunna try it though, cant wait for XIII! =D

[Shaydow]

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In the end, I conclude that Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts is a good game for them. But not because it's a good game but because it's the only decent RPG they've played. However, for most people, when they say Final Fantasy is the best game, I just see them as people who haven't played very many games.

~Tsugomaru

And what if, perhaps, the person has played many a game, many an rpg, and yet still thinks its a good game?

You guys just dont seem to get it do you? You say " I hate this this and this " , then say " well tell us all the things you think are good since I think the game sucks ". Everything I think is good, is what you think is bad. It's what makes me, me.

I still havn't figured out this whole game arguement thing when someone dislikes a game someone else likes. Ok, got it, you dont like what I do. Roger, my Favorite [ absence ] of color is black, your's is blue. Good for you.

Again, this is all JUST IMO.

[Squeek]

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Still haven't had anyone tell me what it is that makes Final Fantasy so good.

[ShAiOnEi]

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Still haven't had anyone tell me what it is that makes Final Fantasy so good.

Try playing the game without trying to de-analyze it and maybe you just might understand the game can be just as fun and rewarding as any other solid rpg.