The Wii is Here.

[Buttoxin]

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I just now remembered a couple other Mario games. Super Mario World had an extreamly high replay value and they remade the game for GBA. Also The New Super Mario Brothers... did not have a good replay value. I've beaten it one time. I have attempted to start over twice now and play it all the way through, but I'm just not addicted to it anymore. I only play it now for the minigames and multiplayer.

[zidart]

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well sometimes it takes me a lot of time to get everything on a mario game. specially if i don't use a guide or if i have all the time in the world to finish it.

but fire emblem is not a traditional RPG like i said... is a tactical RPG (you know like advance wars).
the replay value, well you're right on a higher difficulty is one, however in fire emblem games, stages on hard mode sometimes have extra things to make them harder, and last fire emblem had a secret final boss if you finished in hard mode.
sidequest in fire emblem are different, the most common sidequest is the character support, ok this will be a little hard to explain, when you start a stage in the game you have a limited number of characters to use (the party in last fire emblem was of over 30 characters i think or even more i don't remember) usually you can only bring 11 to 14characters, well for example if you use both ike and sothe in more than 5 stages (this is just an example) they will be able to do a support conversation lvl C, if you use them again for other 5 stages they make a support conversation lvl B, and again a lvl A.
these conversations usually at lvl B or A reveal some things not mentioned in the story and the characters also recieve a stat boost if one of the supported characters is near the other in battle.
now here's the catch that made me play the other fire emblems a lot of times. every character can only make 5 support conversations in the whole playthrough, in other words you can only have 1 character with lvl A and other character with lvl B.

so the next time you play the game if you wanna know more hidden things you'll be forced to use other characters. wich also force you to use a different strategy because you are using different characters with different stats (also play in a higher difficulty, and obtain more extras to finish the game again).

i played fire emblem path of radiance 15 times... (of course after the 3rd one the game got shorter because i got more experience) to unblock every hidden character, obtain every secret stage, and at least get the most interesting support conversations.

[SuperSonicX]

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RPG's do tend to have low replay values unless its so good that you just have to play it over and over again for like 2 years, but finding RPG's that are that good are extremely rare and to me highly unlikely. Now I've never played any of the Fire Emblem series either but judging from Roy and Marth's move on Melee I can say from that it must be a pretty decent game. But you won't catch me playing RPG's that often, mainly just action, adventure, racing, and strategy genres.

[Squeek]

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Replay values in RPGs are better?

Replay values for RPGs tend to be "Hey, you beat the game! Now do it on a harder difficulty and with a few extra side-quests thrown in!"

I've never played Fire Emblem so I'm not completely certain, but it's been this way for every RPG I've ever played.

Mario, at least, is "Hey, you beat the game! Now collect these, this, that, and those."

Brawl would be the top choice had it not been pushed back. In terms of replay value, that is.

[zidart]

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yeah it's true it has a replay value i can't deny that... but not a instant replay value.

i mean yeah i play mario 64 time to time. and i finished sunshine 3 times already (1 with every sunshine and blue coin) and well who can say no to the beggining of the legacy. but the problem is once i finish everything in galaxy get every....whatever i have to collect, i won't, you know after all that do it again the day after i finished? HOWEVER i can't say "i'm not gonna buy it first" right now because i still don't know how many things i have to collect in galaxy... it might take a long time.

well i don't see a very big comparison between final fantasy and fire emblem (seriously very different gameplay and story), but well i get the storyline anyway so that's not an issue for me. the only bad thing of the game i think is that it doesn't have motion controls. but well it's not a big issue for me

[Buttoxin]

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well i talked with my parents. they will give me one wii game and one DS game for christsmas. so i'll leave revenant wings for christas. now wich game should i buy first? mario galaxy or fire emblem (i'm renting zack and wiki for 2 weeks if it's long).

fire emblem well is a given that's gonna be long and that's gonna have replay value (support conversations reveal misteries from the story)

and well i think as any other 3D mario, galaxy will be long and with lots of things to collect.

and that's not all remember that resident evil UC and soul calibur will be released on november.....geez that's the wallet killer month. and i only have a wii and a DS... my regards to those who have all 3 consoles

Remember Super Mario 64 for the N64? Well I do, and I still play it about once a year. That has a really good replay value, and come on, they remade the game for the DS.

Remember Super Mario Sunshine? Well I never beat that game because I don't own it, but I always went over to my friend's house to play it.

Remember the one game that started it all? Super Mario Brothers. Thousands and thousands of people still play that game to this day, AND I can bet you there are atleast 10 people playing it right now somewhere in the world, whether it's on the original NES, or downloaded onto a computer.

All this means that Super Mario Galaxy will (probably) have a very good replay value like the games before it.

Also, I've tried getting into Fire Emblem, I didn't like it because it reminded me of Final Fantasy and the story line confused me.

[zidart]

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Galaxy.

Though that may just be the fact that I dislike Fire Emblem.

well i'm just gonna look for some reviews of the japanese version of fire emblem. if they say the game is over 40 hours of gameplay and that the story is good (well i never seen a bad fire emblem story anyway) i'll buy it (still im gonna get galaxy ), because if i won't be able to buy the other game for a month and 10 days or so, at least a long one would keep me busy.

but to make my choise a little easier i'll listen to votes
galaxy: 2
fire emblem: 1 (my cousin vote)

[Squeek]

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Galaxy.

Though that may just be the fact that I dislike Fire Emblem.

[zidart]

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Buy Mario Galaxy, cause I've only heard good things about it. I'd be suprised if it was a crappy game.

well i talked with my parents. they will give me one wii game and one DS game for christsmas. so i'll leave revenant wings for christas. now wich game should i buy first? mario galaxy or fire emblem (i'm renting zack and wiki for 2 weeks if it's long).

fire emblem well is a given that's gonna be long and that's gonna have replay value (support conversations reveal misteries from the story)

and well i think as any other 3D mario, galaxy will be long and with lots of things to collect.

and that's not all remember that resident evil UC and soul calibur will be released on november.....geez that's the wallet killer month. and i only have a wii and a DS... my regards to those who have all 3 consoles

[Buttoxin]

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i think a 9.0 is a good score... and i think they do those things to don't let the people pass the oportunity to play this game. wich i don't know yet if i'll buy it or rent it (mario galaxy, revenant wings and fire emblem coming next month, and i don't have a lot of money for 5 games )

Buy Mario Galaxy, cause I've only heard good things about it. I'd be suprised if it was a crappy game.

[zidart]

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i think a 9.0 is a good score... and i think they do those things to don't let the people pass the oportunity to play this game. wich i don't know yet if i'll buy it or rent it (mario galaxy, revenant wings and fire emblem coming next month, and i don't have a lot of money for 5 games )

[Squeek]

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I think IGN likes Z&W more than their review score lets on:

http://wii.ign.com/articles/797/797414p1.html "Buy Zack & Wiki Campaign 2007: You must by this game"

http://wii.ign.com/articles/808/808771p1.html "Top 10 most anticipated titles of 2007 post-E3, Number 4 (1-3 being Brawl, Galaxy, and Prime)."

[zidart]

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by the way the game is only 40$ (well still is expensive but for a next-gen game is cheap)

[SuperSonicX]

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Ive played video games all my life. I use to play the story games like you guys do. Im pretty damn good at judging games. I know what I would and wouldnt like for the most part. Go to my profile and go look at my collection. Anyways lets say all those games that guy listed are "good", I doubt it, but lets just say they are. 10 good games. Wow...

In that case, I would nominate you to work for GameInformer.

[zidart]

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talking about zack and wiki... the reviews are out and acording to IGN, and gamestop the game is awesome.
IGN score: 9.0
gamespot score: 8.5

the good:
Clever and unique puzzles that are challenging without being overly difficult
Plenty of different stages to play through, some with multiple solutions
Sharp graphics with excellent art style
Good use of the Wii Remote.

the bad
Story and characters aren't especially interesting
Sometimes grating voice work.

so the only bad things are that it doesn't have voice acting and that the story is not really big (wich is not the reason i'm going to buy it)