TWG XLVIII Phantasmanosebleed of "Flower" View

[MilfeulleSakuraba]

Re: TWG 48: Phantasmanosebleed of "Flower" View

I also got an item with an etch on it. Once I've gotten a chance to talk to those people it depicts, I'll decide whether to post it.

Erm, artifact etches were decided long before signups occured and the players representing the characters are not inherently related to the artifacts their charaters appear on.

[DiscoBobbyPARANOiA]

Re: TWG 48: Phantasmanosebleed of "Flower" View

Erm, artifact etches were decided long before signups occured and the players representing the characters are not inherently related to the artifacts their charaters appear on.

Oh ****.

That means, if you got an artifact with say.. my character on it, it has something to do with marisa, not me as an involved player. Which means, use the touhou wiki that flaw(?) posted.

[edubardus]

Re: TWG 48: Phantasmanosebleed of "Flower" View

Oh ****.

That means, if you got an artifact with say.. my character on it, it has something to do with marisa, not me as an involved player. Which means, use the touhou wiki that flaw(?) posted.

yes.

that or ask someone who knows about touhou.

[mattc16]

Re: TWG 48: Phantasmanosebleed of "Flower" View

Hi all. I guarded myself, seemed like the logical thing to do N1. Will be available to talk on AIM about 5PMish BST (10PM EDT).

[DiscoBobbyPARANOiA]

Re: TWG 48: Phantasmanosebleed of "Flower" View

I'll be at work today. If anyone wants to talk, an IM to DBP TWG will go to my cell phone and I can respond.

While I think Yesssss may have slipped up, I think it's very possible that his excuses are true. I myself had an artifact N1, and opted to pass it to another player. When they didn't receive it I said 'well it must have re-shuffled then.'

I was instantly accused of being a liar, since items don't re-shuffle, and was accused of either never having it, or trying to hide having it now. Upon further inspection I realized that I still have the item, it's just that nothing was said about it to I figured it was gone :/

I've talked to Yesssss on aim, and while I'm not entirely ruling him out, I wouldn't be voting for him today because of the item misinterpretation.

The whole 'maybe talis is a wolf and the wolves guarded him' thing is pretty noteworthy, but Yesssss has played in 2-3 TWGs that I know of, and it should always be considered, though I think as a wolf he would surely say that.

Stoic, you shouldn't be so quick to jump for that vote, the day cycle was 1/4 over, and there was plenty of time to do that. A quick instalynch on some crackpot theory on D1 is not what we need at the moment.

Some pointers while I'm in the mood to post a bunch:

DO NOT fish for info. Don't. Be it artifact or role info, you don't need to know, unless your role or artifact correlates with it, and necessarily so. We don't want info being spread around, and look at it this way. If the wolves happen to hit a blue by chance, and you're the only one to know, YOU are going to get lynched for it. It's better off not knowing.

This leads me to my second point, unless the pros HEAVILY outweigh the cons, DO NOT tell a random person your role. If I were a vampire last game, the start would have been STRONG with me getting flaw and roundbox turned in a row. (Yes roundbox I could tell you were blue, so don't even joke this time)

Sorry for being all demanding, it just pisses me off when people are all 'hay lol im dis roel' and then the other person is all 'isok im green [ps wolvz kil him olol]'

There's my .02, talk to me during work.

[StoicRoivaS]

Re: TWG 48: Phantasmanosebleed of "Flower" View

Since I'm in a posting mood too I guess:

While I think Yesssss may have slipped up, I think it's very possible that his excuses are true. I myself had an artifact N1, and opted to pass it to another player. When they didn't receive it I said 'well it must have re-shuffled then.'

I was instantly accused of being a liar, since items don't re-shuffle, and was accused of either never having it, or trying to hide having it now. Upon further inspection I realized that I still have the item, it's just that nothing was said about it to I figured it was gone :/

Yesssss is more than free to clear it up with kilga and explain what actually happened to alleviate some suspicion, although now that we've provided him with the correct answer, it may be worth slightly less.

The whole 'maybe talis is a wolf and the wolves guarded him' thing is pretty noteworthy, but Yesssss has played in 2-3 TWGs that I know of, and it should always be considered, though I think as a wolf he would surely say that.

Always considered, yes, publicly posted in such a negative way, meh :\ Unless we think the wolves have a role/item that lets them pick who gets guarded (note: extremely powerful and something kilga wouldn't likely put in the game, imo) then we're pretty much done considering talisman as a wolf. If it were later in the game and it was a different player, then yeah, I would be thinking twice too, but talisman on N1 speaks pretty much as clearly as guardings can speak.

Stoic, you shouldn't be so quick to jump for that vote, the day cycle was 1/4 over, and there was plenty of time to do that. A quick instalynch on some crackpot theory on D1 is not what we need at the moment.

Not asking for an insta or even a lynch, I'm just being the first to vote on something that would have been noticed later had I not.

DO NOT fish for info. Don't. Be it artifact or role info, you don't need to know, unless your role or artifact correlates with it, and necessarily so. We don't want info being spread around, and look at it this way. If the wolves happen to hit a blue by chance, and you're the only one to know, YOU are going to get lynched for it. It's better off not knowing.

This leads me to my second point, unless the pros HEAVILY outweigh the cons, DO NOT tell a random person your role. If I were a vampire last game, the start would have been STRONG with me getting flaw and roundbox turned in a row. (Yes roundbox I could tell you were blue, so don't even joke this time)

Also, here, don't forget this game is nothing like the zombie TWG. We aren't in utter peril if an alliance head gets wolfed. Needlessly spreading info is always bad, but I've told a person or two what the etching on my artifact was, basically out of a small gesture of mutual trust. It's very possible someone may benefit from this info, but would it really be likely, powerful, or even a wolf role to begin with?

Maybe more later. We have another forced family event to attend at the moment.

[Kefit]

Re: TWG 48: Phantasmanosebleed of "Flower" View

from this point forward I doubt it will be necessary, seeing as how I really hope you'll all be voting to guard me until an item or something gets me. because last game the problem wasn't a lack of a blue alliance forming, it was a lack of people voting to guard the leaders, and we (as in we the wolves that game) took full advantage.

If you are referring to the last Touhou game, then you are hilariously wrong. Both leaders were DOUBLE ****ING KILLED night two. The giant failure of that game was the inability of the leaders to make their information public. I suspect that a similar failure of intelligence will doom us all this game too~~

Anyway, Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss. The wolves will never, ever wolf one of their own in the hopes of a LOTTERY GUARD. There are few stupider things that they could do. Raising this idea seems like a desperate attempt to cast Talis in a negative light, as you know it is unlikely that anyone will vote for him in the future, and wolfing him is very risky as he is likely to recieve guard votes from this point on.

also ps voted for myself lol 8)

[flawofhumanity]

Re: TWG 48: Phantasmanosebleed of "Flower" View

I've talked to Yesssss on aim, and while I'm not entirely ruling him out, I wouldn't be voting for him today because of the item misinterpretation.

The whole 'maybe talis is a wolf and the wolves guarded him' thing is pretty noteworthy, but Yesssss has played in 2-3 TWGs that I know of, and it should always be considered, though I think as a wolf he would surely say that.

Stoic, you shouldn't be so quick to jump for that vote, the day cycle was 1/4 over, and there was plenty of time to do that. A quick instalynch on some crackpot theory on D1 is not what we need at the moment.

See, the problem with not voting him today is that we have no leads at the moment. However, we still have a whole day to wait, thus voting him at this moment is unnecessary except as a pressuring tactic, and obviously no one is pressuring him for anymore information at the moment.

As far as his idea that talisman is not fully trustworthy yet, he may have the right idea. We can't rule out a third party just yet, even with only 1 kill last night. If there is a third party, it's quite possible s/he could gain a spot in the alliance, thus effectively fucking us over in the event it is a serial killer type role. I would suggest that a seer (if one exists) seer him for verification, but it may prove to be useless as wolves will no doubt make him the first priority seeing as he is now a "speaker" for the blues/illegals of the game, if you will.

At this point, I'm blindly trusting talisman with all information I get, simply because if there IS a third party, it's a 1/15 chance (I know I'm not a third party) that he is in fact a SK or something of the sort, and that's something I'm willing to risk. What the chance of there being a third party should affect, however, is the spread of information. I feel that all roles should be public information, so that even after talisman's impending demise we can continue to plan/carry out a course of action.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Re: TWG 48: Phantasmanosebleed of "Flower" View

With all the special roles that were in the last game, the only ones of significance that were missing were the guard (made up for by the lottery guard), and the seer. I Highly doubt (like last game) there is a seer type role, because it would effectivly unbalance the game. Considering the power Illegals had last game, I don't see the seer as a necessary role Kilga would incorperate into this game.

That said, there could be one for the wolves, which is something to look out for.

[DiscoBobbyPARANOiA]

Re: TWG 48: Phantasmanosebleed of "Flower" View

I've done all the research I could on a specific artifact (not mine) that has been brought to my attention, but its meaning is escaping me. If someone who is proficient in touhou history would be so kind to lend me a hand, that would be great, but I don't plan on posting on the thread as that would be giving the wolves more than they need, were they able to decipher it.

[talisman]

Re: TWG 48: Phantasmanosebleed of "Flower" View

Kefit, they died in part not just because they were attacked, but because no one voted to guard them, which was my only point there.

I don't have too much info at the moment, and I'm debating what is best to reveal. Revealing what roles there are might not be that beneficial since a bit of guess and check late in the game can get rid of a bunch of illegals, if there are illegals left. Also, I don't know too much at the moment, because people haven't told me yet. I'll start hounding people soon.

[DiscoBobbyPARANOiA]

Re: TWG 48: Phantasmanosebleed of "Flower" View

Oddy enough, I feel that talisman's avatar looks right for him. I don't know why, but it just.. flows? with everything.

[MilfeulleSakuraba]

Re: TWG 48: Phantasmanosebleed of "Flower" View

I know, right? I pointed that out at the end of last game. It looks really good on him.

[Kefit]

Re: TWG 48: Phantasmanosebleed of "Flower" View

I've done all the research I could on a specific artifact (not mine) that has been brought to my attention, but its meaning is escaping me. If someone who is proficient in touhou history would be so kind to lend me a hand, that would be great, but I don't plan on posting on the thread as that would be giving the wolves more than they need, were they able to decipher it.

I know more about the Touhou universe than anyone else in this thread, including the host.

[StoicRoivaS]

Re: TWG 48: Phantasmanosebleed of "Flower" View

I know more about the Touhou universe than anyone else in this thread, including the host.

I think we just invented the Touhou Penis, sad.