TWG X POSTGAME EXPLORATION

[JurseyRider734]

I wouldn't mind Deltro joining. He's very much against ddrruler and that in and of itself is a strong display of intelligence.

It's the other way around, alain. Have you changed your mind about letting him in, yet?


Anyways...I was pretty surprised that I was correct in thinking that Cypher was a wolf when everyone was pinning stuff on Afro. I didn't have a lot of evidence, but when Cypher came back from his long absence and started making accusations like he had been there all along kind of set me off. The only reason why I decided to change back to Afro was because I was suspicious of him for the past two days and everyone was putting up substantial evidence.

Yeah, I admit, I was acting really stupid in this game. I guess it comes from the lack of experience. And I know you're all saying "Oh my god, excuses!", but i'm serious. Playing in jTWG really doesn't help at all, especially since you're smarter than most of them in there. I find myself kind of in the middle...not as smart as the TWG players but smarter than the jTWG players (besides Lupin and stuff). I want to give it another try...but I won't be here for the next game (on vacation) and I want to host a game. (Trust me, it's really good idea, and I think I could do it really well ;\) Anyways, I thought this was really interesting. Alain had me under his "spell" the whole time, props to him. I never doubted his intelligence, but I just thought he was an extremely intelligent human...not an extremely intelligent wolf. Good game, everyone ;D

[evilbutterfly]

I personally don't want deltro to join. May be if Cypher is host and we REALLY need more people, but otherwise I'd like to not have him play with us. Reason = I'm an elitist jerk.

[blahblah18]

I'm even more elitist... cypher's game would take 24 people and I basically have them all handpicked already

[Kefit]

Alain, I knew something wasn't right with you. You were letting too many things slip, and screwing up too many details, and I was nailing you on them all. However, I also realized that you were winning the game for us, so I didn't think I had to do anything about it.

First off, I knew eyespew was the real seer simply because no other seer had come forward (anonymously, to a specific person who would announce it for him, whatever). The only way he couldn't have been was if alain was the devil, had seen the seer night one and a wolf night two (or vice versa), had the wolves kill the seer, and then had one of the wolves (which would have been eyespew in this case) take the role of seer. This was the only possible scenario I could see the humans losing in. I started formulating some failsafe ideas early on, just in case this happened, but as the game went on, this possibility became more and more unlikely, so I eventually stopped worrying about it.

Oh, and I had fun bashing on you day two, evilbutterfly. You really were acting incredibly suspicious, and I am surprised that more people didn't jump on you. I'm also surprised that alain didn't change his vote.

Anyway, this game was fun for the first two or three days. After that it kind of became a chore, since all we were doing was shooting randomly to find the last wolf (pretty much the only thing Cypher was doing was being inactive, and god knows I don't vote on someone for that). Props to alain for hiding Cypher from suspicion for so long and for so kindly helping the humans win ;D

[aperson]

Haha, I was pretty sure alain was the devil from the start. Guido and I talked about the possibility, and kilga and I did as well. I knew his strategy, and knew for a person of his talent his voting reasons were quite shitty and sketchy. Shame I wasn't alive longer to flush him out on day 3 :/

[alainbryden]

Shame I wasn't alive longer to flush him out on day 3 :/

There's a reason for everything

Tass, the reason I killed guido over eyespew was because by that time, guido knew everything eyespew did. Guido knew that Cypher was the last wolf if it wasn't matthew. So I killed guido because I still had a chance oif convincing everyone that eyespew was the final wolf, and killed kifit that night, and probably gotten a win the following day. That was the plan but I didn't get online on time and Cypher got insta-lynched.

Kefit, I won't respont. You're right, I knew you were on to me the whole time, and I don't know why I didn't have you killed earlier. Probably because after I convinced everyone else you were missunderstood the first few times, you sort of dissapeared, and I focused on the more active threats. If this was a strategy of yours, well done.

[Tasselfoot]

I hate to have to be the bearer of bad news, but due to the events that occurred during Night 1, Panda is being handed down a 1-game ban.

To those unfamiliar with what happened, here is what I was told from the sources themselves: Guido checked his PM. Panda walked in and saw Guido was checking his PM, and saw that he was human. Panda went on and shared her knowledge of who the other masons were.

The question arose, was her actions intentional, does it matter what her intentions were, is Guido at fault for not warning her or being more careful, etc. We determined (through majority) that both were responsible to some extent, although Panda was the one more responsible. Also, as Guido has taken a 40 day hiatus from FFR for lent, we felt it was unneccesary to give him a banning, so it wasn't even discussed.

My apologies for having to give this sentence, as I'm inclined to believe your intentions were not malicious, but the actions alone merit the punishment.

With this, a new line of discussion has been brought up, that of how we have to handle couples/friends/anyone who knows each other IRL and playing in the same TWG. No answer has been given, although one likely will be stated before TWG XI starts.

If there are any questions relating to this post, don't hesitate to contact me about it.

[alainbryden]

Poor Pander. I wouldn't want it done, but I understand your principle. twc won't take shiz.

[HansSky]

I'm not really sure. I don't think it's really fair to not let some people play because they know each other in real life. And even if this did happen, how would you do it? Neither of them can play? Stupid, I think. Or you could pick one and let them play. Now you're just asking to piss people off.

On the other hand, I can understand why. Although you are questioning people's integrity by doing this, accidents can happen(ie: stretchy). They could just walk in with your PM open. But there are probably ways to prevent that.


Heh, I just realized Tass didn't suggest anything of the sort. But oh well, I'll keep what I have, and maybe post more later.

[stretchypanda]

Meh, I deserve what I get. I wouldn't want leniency toward anyone, including myself. Guido thought he deserved punishment, which he doesn't, since there wasn't much he could do in the situation.

As far as couples go, Guido and I already discussed not playing together anymore, and whether he agrees to it or not, I'm tired of people making a big fuss out of it, so I'm just going to sit out of games he plays. It's not that big of a deal, anyway.

[alainbryden]

I urge you not to do that panda. You can just agree not to do anything active in the game when you are together. I would hate to see you dissapear from TWG. You have a much valued integrity, and you're so good at the game.

[stretchypanda]

I think you misunderstand me, Alain. I'm not going to quit altogether, I'm just not going to play with Guido anymore. I watched every game starting with III over Guido's shoulder before I started posting on the forums, and I had as much fun with that as I do when I'm actually in a game.

I can say that I don't agree with the problems people have with couples playing the game, and insist that Guido and I would always play legally and whatnot, but I have a ban to show that that is not necessarily true. Guido didn't voice any dissent when I showed him what I had said about sitting out, so I'm certain he's fine with the idea of alternating who plays and who doesn't.

[alainbryden]

But I want you and Guido in everygame I don't want either of you to miss one. It'll work out. No one will have a problem with it. Pleeeese don't do that Pander...

[mead1]

Wow, my final vote was for the seer. I suck.

Anyway, Cypher and alain, excellent job. I honestly had no suspicions of either of you. Congrats to the other humans on winning. About halfway through the game, I read back through the game. I really started to doubt if Tps had been a wolf. I am glad to see he actually was, and not just a human with a different idea.

Well, thanks for the experience, it was a lot of fun, and hopefully I will be slightly more helpful next game.

@kilga: That wasn't very nice...

[GuidoHunter]

Postgame funness.

First off, I want to correct something Tassel said regarding the Night 1 shenanigans. I say this because what he said looks much worse for stretchy than what really happened. When I checked my PM, she was out of range of the computer. She asked what I was, and I (excitedly) responded "human." It was then that she revealed to me that she was a mason, and immediately afterward rushed to the computer to unexpectedly see my PM, as I had zoned out and not closed the window.

Now, this does not (should not) change the council's decision, but when Tass showed me what he wrote, I noticed that and didn't want people to have the wrong idea about her and her honor, because I know I would have interpreted what Tass said to mean that she saw my PM and then revealed to me her role, instead of the other way around.

Onto TWG...

Well, since stretchy didn't have time to talk to ap and roop about my knowing about them, I had a somewhat difficult time getting into the alliance. At first, they trusted me mainly because they kind of had to, but I was able to gain their trust so that we could work together. Working with ap was really cool; he had some good ideas and plans, so it was probably really good (for the wolves) that they got rid of him early. I didn't get to talk with roop much at all, mainly for reasons he explained.

From the beginning I was suspicious of alain, and things were going really screwy (especially with the wolfing of ap and things alain was telling me), so I was talking to alain a lot, trying to get a feel for him. Now I know that that's not often going to give him away, since he's such a good player, but he seemed to be really helpful and in contact with the seer, so I felt I could trust him for a while, at least.

After Day 2, the mistrust I had in alain pretty much got transferred to eyespew, since that was from where alain was getting his information. I felt I had to stay in this little alliance because that's where everything was happening, and it's good to be in the know. So, I'm getting more trusting of alain, partly because I think the possibility of him being the devil completely left me for no good reason, and because he's being quite helpful of us. Even when he lied to me he was able to cover is up because I'm a gullible fool.

So then, we're all working together to get rid of the possibilities. Eyespew's living and seeing people, and alain's becoming more and more trustworthy, so all is good. Because of this, I decide to jump on Kilga. GG me. Then, I go back, re-read the thread, and jump on Afro. I don't regret this in the slightest, because all evidence pointed to Afro. Everything I posted was true, so it was really his fault for being suspicious. That was way more than I normally have against anyone, so I had to act on it. I just hate that every time I come out strong against someone, with evidence, at that, it's always a human. I know I voted for Tps, but that was really only because I believed Jurs to be human. Well, that and he was kind of wolfish.

So, there are only a few people alive who haven't been seered. And now I know the guardian, because I was saved, and alain told me not to tell him who it was for good reason. Human Points++ for alain. Of course, at this point, it wasn't hard to deduce who it was. Well, we lynch the hell out of Matt because he was the only one of whom nobody was sure, then Eyespew has the chance to seer Jursey or Cypher. I ask alain what he thinks, and he snaps back Jursey. It all happened so fast I didn't really get a chance to analyze that, but whatever. Jursey's human. Cypher's the last wolf, unless I've been lied to the whole game (this thought never left my head). Well, there were enough people so that we could lynch Cypher and then start to dig in our own alliance. I even suggested to alain that we reveal all the information we know and let everyone decide. Well, I didn't get a chance to tell that to eyespew because next thing I know, I'm dead.

After that, all was good. I was worried that alain could turn things against eyespew because he's a clever bastard, but he wasn't on, so eyespew was able to call out the last wolf and end the game.

All in all, it was a great game. The Devil role worked masterfully (and I agree with blah that alain would have been the only one who could have pulled it off), the game ran long, there was a whole lot of cunning and deception involved, and I got to work at it. It was sweet.

--Guido

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