TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

This is a really dumb question that I won't entertain.



Last time I'm saying this, and this is the logic train AS I WAS TYPING THAT POST:
Raeko dies -> Overthink on why she died -> forgets setup and thinks about PR -> gives PR as a reason she might've died -> failed to explain that it was something I thought about as I was trying to figure out WHY she died -> tried explaining -> you guys aren't following whatsoever, you guys just care about PR being brought up in a PR-less game

I'm fucking TIRED of it.
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It's pretty infuriating to have people not believe in a genuine mishap of words while thinking, and it is their right, and I will GLADLY let you lynch me if it stop this discussion from continuing. It is what it is and I'm leaving it at that. I genuinely think focusing on my mishap is a huge detriment to town and the more I keep seeing you guys bring it up the more I think you're going to cost town the win.

I will not be back in thread until later tonight.

Re-read what I wrote. I literally don't give a crap over the mishap of words or misspoken moment or whatever. I don't care about PR being brought up in a PR-less game. Town makes mistakes ALL the time. I feel like I fucking suck as town half the time and going off on a mental tangent that the fundamental game setup immediately rules out is something I would totally do, so I'm not blaming you for that AT ALL.

What I'm asking is why you tried explaining it as "Not that there is a PR, but they must've felt like she was as threatening as one"

[_Zenith_]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

do you recall any instance where a wolf team (that did not involve you) performed a nightkill in order to frame someone, zenith?

This is a really dumb question that I won't entertain.

apologiezs but

why would there be a soft performed by raeko?
did you just forget that this a mountainous setup with no prs?
I'm really not following

Last time I'm saying this, and this is the logic train AS I WAS TYPING THAT POST:
Raeko dies -> Overthink on why she died -> forgets setup and thinks about PR -> gives PR as a reason she might've died -> failed to explain that it was something I thought about as I was trying to figure out WHY she died -> tried explaining -> you guys aren't following whatsoever, you guys just care about PR being brought up in a PR-less game

I'm fucking TIRED of it.

also wait why would you say what you said about "those who trust sunfan this EOD will be scrutinized" when you were only voting me because you don't know who to vote???

because anyone following you during EoD when I said that was going in for a bad time, you were all over the place and if anyone followed you it was going to be wolves or blind faith and I genuinely think town following you last phase would have been a bad move

yeah like
this does not square at all with
"I voted u cuz idk I was just building a town circle"
Zenith
???

OMGURS

I really don't like this explanation. Had Zenith responded with "oops silly me I forgot this was mountainous and there's no PRs" I wouldn't think anything of it. I don't think having a brain fart in analysis is indicative of alignment, especially when talking about the NK, but this response doesn't say "I had a brain fart" or "I made a mistake", it, to me, dishonestly distorts the previous reference to PRs as "not actually PRs" and that feels really ick. One of the oldest rules of this game is "Lynch all liars" for a reason.

Zenith can you explain why you responded this way about your misspoken moment?

It's pretty infuriating to have people not believe in a genuine mishap of words while thinking, and it is their right, and I will GLADLY let you lynch me if it stop this discussion from continuing. It is what it is and I'm leaving it at that. I genuinely think focusing on my mishap is a huge detriment to town and the more I keep seeing you guys bring it up the more I think you're going to cost town the win.

I will not be back in thread until later tonight.

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

this whole nagito thing is really confusing as someone who knows extremely little about danganronpa and hasn't played the games or watched the animes or consumed really any of its content despite having so many friends that are very clearly nearly obsessed with it, and the subsequent analysis is completely throwing me so if someone wants to explain exactly the type of nagito traits that stereotypically would be implied by ben, I'd appreciate it

it probably isn't important in the grander scheme of things, but I'm curious since star and sunfan are both basing stuff off of it

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

Not that there is a PR, but they must've felt like she was as threatening as one, or they think by killing her it'd implicate some random VT, or they could've RNG'd but either way I'm not going to spend more time explaining my misspoken moment or theorycrafting why they killed her.

Time is better spent on why she died

I really don't like this explanation. Had Zenith responded with "oops silly me I forgot this was mountainous and there's no PRs" I wouldn't think anything of it. I don't think having a brain fart in analysis is indicative of alignment, especially when talking about the NK, but this response doesn't say "I had a brain fart" or "I made a mistake", it, to me, dishonestly distorts the previous reference to PRs as "not actually PRs" and that feels really ick. One of the oldest rules of this game is "Lynch all liars" for a reason.

Zenith can you explain why you responded this way about your misspoken moment?

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

A lot of comments on things happening as they pass by him but not a lot of personal assertion or trying to act with purpose. If that makes sense to anyone but me...

read my response to sunfan and see if that makes sense to you. I guess I don't disagree that I wasn't pushing in any singular direction (other than NOT star) once I got off of you. I had a lot of "don't want lyncheds" and not much in the way of "want lyncheds"

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

I tried to talk to you about this in advance. It was D0 and trying to condense reads and build worlds is tough with that little information, so I understood where town!sunfan would push/vote/stay on Star to see how wolves would react and form a mock wagon, but it went on longer than it should've and ended up in exactly the mess that I think could've been avoided had town had more time to coalesce. With that said, I don't think you're to blame for the ben mislynch, at least no more to blame than any of us. I felt in EoD as though votes were in suspended motion and that I could've pushed it in a different direction had I tried, but I felt like there weren't any good options. My clearest scumread was Freezin but he made a post towards the end of the day that I felt came from genuine town!Freezin, so that went out the window for the phase. I felt and still feel that star is town, so that wasn't an option either, and I didn't like the idea of botchi because I didn't agree with your read on him and was wary of letting you misdirect off of the likeliest scum!sunfan partner. I didn't feel ben was scummy either, so the whole thing was honestly a bit painful start to finish

idk that this will help anyone, but I've reached the same conclusion
I certainly didn't tie the noose around ben's neck, but I definitely contributed to the circumstances that led to his death

I... don't think that I follow with the ben thing about him being my likeliest partner

kinda what star said, I think that our interactions, especially his wariness around me indicated we were probably pretty unlikely to be together

I'm only thinking about it now, but I'm not sure I think that that line of thought makes much sense to me

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

I was ISOing star
I... still have some reservations, but her posts at the start of this phase are what I was looking for, at least thus far.

Her consistency on Haku makes sense (like she stuck with her reason on townreading haku in a way that I think is townie)

none of that really matters as much to me as the fact that she predicted the future in a way that I think I am forced to call townie, later claimed to be able to predict the future, and then entered today with "what did I fucking say???"

genuinely aura, and it has to be somewhat townie

but the vibes are still... off
I wanna talk more with her whenever the opportunity arises, I guess

anyways

Freezin is starting to feel like my sidekick now, maybe this is what Ben felt
I don't know that my thought is expanded beyond this one

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

I deeply regret staying on star for as long as I did. I really didn't think about it at the time, but I needed to really make a more solid push after getting off of her. It didn't burn down Hollywood, but it killed Ben instead, I think that's part of how that domino effect occurred. Maybe Ben was fated to die anyways, it is a what if.

I tried to talk to you about this in advance. It was D0 and trying to condense reads and build worlds is tough with that little information, so I understood where town!sunfan would push/vote/stay on Star to see how wolves would react and form a mock wagon, but it went on longer than it should've and ended up in exactly the mess that I think could've been avoided had town had more time to coalesce. With that said, I don't think you're to blame for the ben mislynch, at least no more to blame than any of us. I felt in EoD as though votes were in suspended motion and that I could've pushed it in a different direction had I tried, but I felt like there weren't any good options. My clearest scumread was Freezin but he made a post towards the end of the day that I felt came from genuine town!Freezin, so that went out the window for the phase. I felt and still feel that star is town, so that wasn't an option either, and I didn't like the idea of botchi because I didn't agree with your read on him and was wary of letting you misdirect off of the likeliest scum!sunfan partner. I didn't feel ben was scummy either, so the whole thing was honestly a bit painful start to finish

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

Sorry to leave it at just that but I really should sleep. I'll be back later, hopefully by then DBP has said something I can read and zenith explained....whatever the heck this mental block he's having is about involving imaginary PRs in this setup

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

anyone trusting sunfan right now will be scrutinized come next phase

yeah like
this does not square at all with
"I voted u cuz idk I was just building a town circle"
Zenith
???

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

Maybe this is a new age old Haku tier meltdown

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

also wait why would you say what you said about "those who trust sunfan this EOD will be scrutinized" when you were only voting me because you don't know who to vote???

I havnt seen cartoon villainy this blatant since that game where tforce tried to hammer himself.

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

I never meant to type PR in my post there, mentally as I was typing that I was racking my brain on why raeko would die there and I asked myself if I missed a soft somewhere and I want to say that's why I had PR on the mind.

In hindsight there's a gaping hole in my foot, but I'll take it in stride as it's not going to stop me from solving and continuing forward lol.

Vengeance is a fancy word for not knowing who to vote because all I did was basically focus on building a town circle last phase so I don't have any concrete wolf feelings (though, after Iso'ing Raeko I am now suspicious) and I still need my lick back for your play against me last game. Hold that vote homie
not anymore tho I need my vote

also wait why would you say what you said about "those who trust sunfan this EOD will be scrutinized" when you were only voting me because you don't know who to vote???

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

I never meant to type PR in my post there, mentally as I was typing that I was racking my brain on why raeko would die there and I asked myself if I missed a soft somewhere and I want to say that's why I had PR on the mind.

In hindsight there's a gaping hole in my foot, but I'll take it in stride as it's not going to stop me from solving and continuing forward lol.

Vengeance is a fancy word for not knowing who to vote because all I did was basically focus on building a town circle last phase so I don't have any concrete wolf feelings (though, after Iso'ing Raeko I am now suspicious) and I still need my lick back for your play against me last game. Hold that vote homie
not anymore tho I need my vote

apologiezs but

why would there be a soft performed by raeko?
did you just forget that this a mountainous setup with no prs?
I'm really not following

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

who is the most universally townread
I'm not sure I know the answer to that question

not sure I do either, but I don't think it's raeko? like reading her flip felt weird but in retrospect I guess the field was muddier than I thought