TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

damn this day phase is beginning to feel like the EOD is gonna suck again

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

honestly, no, not really

damn
do you wanna talk about it?

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

Hi, this comes off really formal and stilted, are you like ok?

honestly, no, not really

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

botchi let me talk I guess about my progression with you, maybe it might help you find me town if you are town, which I am finding more and more plausible from this iso.

I won't belabor this point too much, but it has been many years since we played (aside from last game), and so it becomes tougher. It feels like everyone up to and maybe even including roundbox appears to be struggling with this (joke).

for a good while, I didn't have you as much of anything, and that in and of itself was remarkable, given I think I can read you better than most.
anyways

#401 was the first post that I had a medium-strength opinion on, and I still kind of don't think it looks good.

You (correctly) call my quoted post bait, but it *feels* like you're speaking from the perspective of a wolf there. Only a wolf should be looking out for bait like that, it doesn't make sense to me why town!botchi would've been looking out for that.
Additionally, (and I am only noticing this now), you have me as town even though you think I was baiting.

I began to have you as scum, and I did think both because of a real feeling, and also because I expected you to react strongly to it. Honestly, I'm just stupid here, you reacted as strongly as you should have based on what my meta read SHOULD have been from last game, but at the time, I was a mistaken doo-doo head and was wrong.

I **DO** care a lot about meta. It... was about all I really had on you, especially on mobile at the time. It shouldn't feel unfamiliar to you on me, honestly.

I know now that I was wrong. I know now that I was overestimating the strength of what I expected your reactions to be, and they are appropriate. You felt higher energy in my memory

Honestly, not even joking, given I knew you were basically immediately stoned in the last game, I really should have remembered more accurately. Obviously you're not going to be high energy after your entrance last game, I hope you can forgive me for not connecting those dots, even though they were right there.

Anyways
I thought bugkid had been lacking chutzpah last phase, but I thought they were trending upwards, and it was not a good place for me to vote at EOD
I thought ben was town
I had been baiting people with star, but I thought it was a terrible place to go
I couldn't really follow raeko's read on xel because I thought xel was town for the way he talked to raeko
I felt like no one was listening to me on you

so like
I really had to choose between DBP and you, and for a moment, I was voting DBP, which I think was probably better in a like
cosmic sense
anyways, freezin indicated to me that if I didn't like either the ben or star kill, that you were the way forward, and that's what I really needed to try and make happen

I do feel foolish now, even if you are a wolf, because my reasoning was ass-backwards.

It wasn't until I actually tried to bury you earlier today that I realized how wrong I was when I looked back at last game

I know you don't care for meta, or longer posts, but I care about both of those things, and maybe it is just some culture clash here.

I like your frankness here, and when star says that she feels like haku doesn't know who the wolves are, that's kind of my read on you right now.

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I don't think that I want to kill botchi today, in short. I bet my other ISOs will make me feel more strongly about killing other people.

The way botchi openly put his hands up and said "Idk what I'm doing man, I'm trying my best here, but I feel outplayed by everyone else" feels a lot less likely to come from wolf botchi. I had no idea you had been reading the thread that much. Is it really true?

Idk, the way he voted me makes me find him a little bit villagery as well if I factor in that he hates meta. My read there stunk so
it makes enough sense. He has been aghast and I don't really hate it

please don't vote me to get me to attempt to townread you, though

this is the first longpost from you this game (including the two "radical honesty" ones) that has left me with a feeling like "he's really town"
I agree that botchi has felt really genuine this phase and agree that he shouldn't be a wagon

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

shado can u tell me why you were never voting DBP last eod
I'm sure it is somewhere (I promise I am ISOing botchi)

he felt town the way he came in and swaggered around calling out shit. I wrote a bunch about him vs my expectations earlier but what I don't think I said is that he put my worries about YOU down in a way that I agreed with, even about potential partnership with ben. I like star's analysis of him now and in retrospect I probably gave him a pass too soon, but it was D0 and I liked what I was seeing even if it might've come from a mixture of vibe, meta, and confirmation bias against wolf!sunfan worlds

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

botchi let me talk I guess about my progression with you, maybe it might help you find me town if you are town, which I am finding more and more plausible from this iso.

I won't belabor this point too much, but it has been many years since we played (aside from last game), and so it becomes tougher. It feels like everyone up to and maybe even including roundbox appears to be struggling with this (joke).

for a good while, I didn't have you as much of anything, and that in and of itself was remarkable, given I think I can read you better than most.
anyways

#401 was the first post that I had a medium-strength opinion on, and I still kind of don't think it looks good.

You (correctly) call my quoted post bait, but it *feels* like you're speaking from the perspective of a wolf there. Only a wolf should be looking out for bait like that, it doesn't make sense to me why town!botchi would've been looking out for that.
Additionally, (and I am only noticing this now), you have me as town even though you think I was baiting.

I began to have you as scum, and I did think both because of a real feeling, and also because I expected you to react strongly to it. Honestly, I'm just stupid here, you reacted as strongly as you should have based on what my meta read SHOULD have been from last game, but at the time, I was a mistaken doo-doo head and was wrong.

I **DO** care a lot about meta. It... was about all I really had on you, especially on mobile at the time. It shouldn't feel unfamiliar to you on me, honestly.

I know now that I was wrong. I know now that I was overestimating the strength of what I expected your reactions to be, and they are appropriate. You felt higher energy in my memory

Honestly, not even joking, given I knew you were basically immediately stoned in the last game, I really should have remembered more accurately. Obviously you're not going to be high energy after your entrance last game, I hope you can forgive me for not connecting those dots, even though they were right there.

Anyways
I thought bugkid had been lacking chutzpah last phase, but I thought they were trending upwards, and it was not a good place for me to vote at EOD
I thought ben was town
I had been baiting people with star, but I thought it was a terrible place to go
I couldn't really follow raeko's read on xel because I thought xel was town for the way he talked to raeko
I felt like no one was listening to me on you

so like
I really had to choose between DBP and you, and for a moment, I was voting DBP, which I think was probably better in a like
cosmic sense
anyways, freezin indicated to me that if I didn't like either the ben or star kill, that you were the way forward, and that's what I really needed to try and make happen

I do feel foolish now, even if you are a wolf, because my reasoning was ass-backwards.

It wasn't until I actually tried to bury you earlier today that I realized how wrong I was when I looked back at last game

I know you don't care for meta, or longer posts, but I care about both of those things, and maybe it is just some culture clash here.

I like your frankness here, and when star says that she feels like haku doesn't know who the wolves are, that's kind of my read on you right now.

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I don't think that I want to kill botchi today, in short. I bet my other ISOs will make me feel more strongly about killing other people.

The way botchi openly put his hands up and said "Idk what I'm doing man, I'm trying my best here, but I feel outplayed by everyone else" feels a lot less likely to come from wolf botchi. I had no idea you had been reading the thread that much. Is it really true?

Idk, the way he voted me makes me find him a little bit villagery as well if I factor in that he hates meta. My read there stunk so
it makes enough sense. He has been aghast and I don't really hate it

please don't vote me to get me to attempt to townread you, though

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

shado can u tell me why you were never voting DBP last eod
I'm sure it is somewhere (I promise I am ISOing botchi)

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

sort of skimmed the updates from today but my brain is fuzzy. tonight is eod yes?

yeah
11 pm eastern, 8 pm west coast

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

freezin this is ur reminder to do ur daily login to mahjong souls

[bugkid666]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

sort of skimmed the updates from today but my brain is fuzzy. tonight is eod yes?

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

I just like to point out connections. It helps when I look back on my posts.
Sunfan and Ben buddies are different than Raeko and Zenith buddies too.
The former being like friends and the other giving off an older brother younger sister vibe

can you give an example of how, during one of your rereads, you were helped by how you pointed out a connection? that might help me a lot

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

shado this is one hell of a rewind and I am mid botchi iso and this has nothing to do with botchi but like I really don't know how you grouped ben as my most likely partner

can u explain how you thought that at the time? I get I was defending him, but that wasn't anything new
your top town was also townreading him (I know she wasn't present, but it was clear) and I know that reads are just vehicles for reading other people or whatever

and I know I've talked myself down halfway from this already but

how could I have been with ben I find it... a tough pill to swallow even given you've (very honestly) stated that you felt cooked at EOD (I did too just in a different way)

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

I guess this is the time for blatant honesty
my drive is definitely lower, too

I hope neither of you feel like your work is in vain

[roundbox]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

The Votecount
DaBackpack (2) - star-crossed, bugkid666
_Zenith_ (2) - the sun fan, ShadoWolfe
the sun fan (1) - botchi246
Hakulyte (1) - _Zenith_
botchi246 (1) - Hakulyte

Unvote - FreezinIce
Not voting - DaBackpack, Hateandhatred, XelNya

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

like i said when i get home, im gonna do a little more work on this.

blatant honesty:
i dont know what im doing in this game. seems like yall are outplaying me, even the ones with low post count.
i have read the thread at least 6 times today, and im in a hole trying to put 2 and 2 together.
just feel like an ass
is it the game setup? is it just how the thread has been flowing? fk idk, just not vibing

dude I feel you