TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

This is going to be the basis for my vote, and is the reason why I'm not voting Mashi today. Mashi doesn't seem like the type of person to bus his partner in the first place. More importantly, he's not stupid enough to try to bus Vendetta on Day 0 when Vendetta's a roleblocker and there's a 50/50 chance the wolves get obliterated by a cop/doc alliance. I'm going to see whether choof/Zenith or J-Rodd seemed to have less of an intent to lynch V/Kawamii.

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

Rereading pages 13-15 and post 495-end of Day 1 should be required for all players. It gives a pretty good summary of the interactions between the four possible wolves and the one confirmed wolf, at least for the first day. But the first day is far more important for looking at busses because at that point the wolves wouldn't yet know that they're in the safer of the two possible setups.

[thesunfan]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

I will probably never believe that Zenith is mafia for several reasons, namely the choof/kawamii interaction and the fact that he tried to vote to save me last phase.

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

Looking at Zenith:

The interesting thing about the Day 1 interaction between choof and Kawamii is that choof never really tries to actually get Kawamii lynched. He's entirely prodding her to be more active, and flat-out ignores the point J-Rodd makes about Kawamii packing it in being wolfy when he places his vote on Kawamii, which he admits he'll remove once she gets replaced. This post is another minor point against him.

Another big point against Zenith is the fact that right when Mashi and I start seriously talking about lynching V day 0, he starts saying everyone should freeze their votes to form a Kitb between Round and Benguin.

Zenith doesn't get any credit for lynching V yesterday since his vote was too late to be taken into account. He doesn't get punished for it either since Roundbox's request was also late.

And the way he's acting now is ridiculously scummy. Now that C&R and Sunfan are clear, the wolves have to force two mislynches. I think any decent look at either me or Mashi would tell you that he and I are both human. Trying to push for an insta now is really the only way the remaining wolf could win. I'll take another look at J-Rodd after this but as it stands I feel like there's a lot pointing towards Zenith being the wolf.

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

The choof/Kawamii interaction is heated, but that slot has never actually tried to lynch Kawamii. V's vote last phase was too late to count, and choof explicitly said he'd change his vote if Kawamii replaced out.

[thesunfan]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

Over several hundred games I can count on 0 fingers the times I've seen heated reactions between wolves like that.

[thesunfan]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

like you have to believe that both wolves replace out because they're mad at each other
lol I feel bad for making that read but like
I've never ever
ever
ever
EVER
seen anything like that.

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

Choof's replacement seemed more out of guilt to me.

Kawamii was the only one who seemed mad.

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

And who do you suspect if not J-Rodd? I don't think I was the cause of Kawamii switching out but we didn't exactly get along either, not to mention that I wanted V lynched Day 0 and Day 1 and was actively pushing for that lynch until the last 10 minutes of the phase.

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

J-Rodd x Kawamii interactions:

J-Rodd's "packing it in is kind of a wolf tell for you tho" post distances himself from Kawamii but it's not something he definitively shouldn't say as a wolf even operating under the assumption that wolves would never bus the Roleblocker Day 0. I think Mashi was also in that game, maybe Sunfan too? Either way, the fact that someone else was in that game means that that observation was going to be made regardless.

From there on out, J-Rodd comes off as playing kind of soft with Kawamii. "well i can't ignore what happened literally last game" comes off pretty sympathetic.

"shame cuz I really wanted to village with you" is weird. Like in most games two random people have a pretty good chance of both being village. If they're partners this is an appeal to that.

Then he brings up the fact that she hates letting her partner down as a wolf right after he brings up the "I really wanted to village with you" thing.

Right after that Kawamii tells J-Rodd to lynch her.

[thesunfan]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

I have a really stupid idea that both (potentially) ruins jrodd's mislynch % and almost always wins the game but I just have to think about how filthy I feel about it.

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

And who do you suspect if not J-Rodd? I don't think I was the cause of Kawamii switching out but we didn't exactly get along either, not to mention that I wanted V lynched Day 0 and Day 1 and was actively pushing for that lynch until the last 10 minutes of the phase.

Mixed up Zenith and J-Rodd because I was also writing the J-Rodd post at the same time.

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

I'm not sure it'll ruin a perfect mislynch record because I'm not sure it'll be a mislynch if we lynch him over Zenith.

[thesunfan]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

I said potentially before it for that reason...
potentially.

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

I just honestly can't believe I'm people's top suspicion now given V's cardflip. Like I know most of you haven't played with me that much, and I know that if I'd been a wolf I'd probably have to break my meta in a smaller game...but do people really honestly think this is how I'd go about it? I have played 15+ games as a wolf and literally only voted for my partner when I was forced to by him counterclaiming a role he couldn't be. That is it. If people want to challenge me on this I will go through each of my last 7 or so games as wolf and link you to every vote I made during those games. I don't go from that to blowing up at my wolf partner Day 0, then putting her up as an alternative to a really weak lynch, especially when getting V lynched Day 0 would have absolutely screwed the wolves over. If that's not enough to convince you, my Day 1 actions should be. I followed that up on Day 1 by campaigning for my partner's lynch up until the alliance leader came out in favor of the Sunfan lynch and I was about to get on the Matterhorn and had to change my vote so we could avoid the possibility of missing out on him clearing a human.