TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

[Charles Claythorne]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

Nighty, I can't help but feel a lot of your reasons for your reads have really weak justifications. I agree with you that Kawamii, choof, and j-rodd seem Human for example, but for much different reasons from you (Kawamii from tone, choof from being a tryhard, j-rodd because he's LOCK CLEAR).

[Charles Claythorne]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

also for anyone not in the know: THE DREAM TEAM MEANS NOTHING UNLESS BOTH OF THEM ARE IN THE F3 AND ONE OF THEM IS A WOLF

im taking a closer look at your suspicion list but before i do that i just wanted to comment that if i were in f3 with j-rodd i would just vote for whom he voted for tbh

#DREAMTEAM

[Charles Claythorne]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

5. kawamii - maybe town:
Her major contributions to the game are agreements with Nighthawk's points, as seen here:




I'm not sure if it's alignment indicative, but I just noticed this. I don't think it means anything. She has plenty of experience playing with Mashi so this is probably a fair read from her. I don't think she would backpack this early and obviously from what I've seen from her.

I don't follow this reason. I don't think Kawamii's really been agreeing with Nighty, but aside from that, I don't see why you feel she's Human for your own stated reasons.


Seems a bit interesting to me that roundbox, j-rodd, and Nighty are all (at least slightly) suspicious of sunfan. Maybe I just suck at tone reading him but yolo, I'll adjust accordingly when he posts his SICK, DANK READS.


Note on benguino; isn't he usually inactive as a Wolf? Or am I misremembering? Or is he inactive in general??? Where are his 5 meaningful posts?????

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

Mashi: Why are you giving more weight to this current game (which you admit you aren't 100% of his alignment in) when you have like 40 other games with C&R? I haven't been keeping up on it all that well but it seems a strange game to base your read of him on.

And I'm fully aware that my reasonings for my "Weak Town reads" are weak. I really disagree that the choof reasoning is weak though.

[Charles Claythorne]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

Mashi: Why are you giving more weight to this current game (which you admit you aren't 100% of his alignment in) when you have like 40 other games with C&R? I haven't been keeping up on it all that well but it seems a strange game to base your read of him on.

And I'm fully aware that my reasonings for my "Weak Town reads" are weak. I really disagree that the choof reasoning is weak though.

I think that choof's going in early on and his immediate focus on roundbox and choof seem Human in that choof enjoys playing as a Human more than Wolf, but that's different from your reasoning!

I'm putting more weight into the current game because it would fit his current meta, even if I'm not 100% sure of his alignment! sunfan is right that Curry and Rice gets mislynched often (or really just lynched often), which I think is an indicator of difficulty in distinguishing between his Wolf and Human play. You and I both always take that into account whenever we're suspicious of him on LLF, for example.

I don't really think that he's done anything that fits his Human meta aside from maybe tunneling on choof as you mentioned, but in his interactions with choof, all he ever focused on was choof 'ignoring' questions. He didn't seem all that interested in dissecting reads or trying to get into his mindset to figure out whether he's Human or Wolf.

[Charles Claythorne]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

immediate focus on roundbox and Curry and Rice*

I'm 250% certain choof would interrogate himself tho tbh

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

Of course I can't rely on choof's preferences regarding wolf or human. I've never played with him before!

And once I've submitted the paper I'm on I'll type up a more comprehensive defense for C&R based on how often he gets lynched as a human relative to how often he gets lynched as a wolf. I'll have to review some of his wolf games I didn't play but in both the ones I did play he did a pretty good job avoiding suspicion.

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

that'll be in like an hour if I decide not to go back to sleep afterwards.

[Charles Claythorne]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

Of course I can't rely on choof's preferences regarding wolf or human. I've never played with him before!

And once I've submitted the paper I'm on I'll type up a more comprehensive defense for C&R based on how often he gets lynched as a human relative to how often he gets lynched as a wolf. I'll have to review some of his wolf games I didn't play but in both the ones I did play he did a pretty good job avoiding suspicion.

I would imagine he's mislynched ~75% of the time, but only because we usually have 3 Wolves versus 9 Humans!!!

I admittedly only think of one particular game of Wolf Curry and Rice (TWG 84: MAMA LUVIGI) where we were Wolf Partners, and I remember he was very easily caught by Not Spy (and Dark and I were shortly suspected afterwards by association). I think that Curry and Rice being lynched often in general probably implies that he's not really that much more cautious of suspicion as a Wolf as you say.

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

You're misremembering that game--GS was by far the least suspected of the wolves.

Dark was lynched Day 1 and flipped wolf, as he was. Dark was the only person who voted C&R at any point during Day 1, which was a pretty wild day phase (you and dark both had 3 votes, I had 2, Pyro Guy had a few votes, and I know GT and Homie both got at least one vote that phase). Not Spy vigi'd C&R Night 2 but that was him doing his own thing rather than C&R actually being widely suspected.

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

People were only suspicious of GS that game because he wasn't quick about saying "Not vigi".

Here are the comments from human suspicion lists regarding GS:

Homie

9. GS - Seems fairly innocuous. I've never played a game with him before.

Doom

HUMAN PLAYERS: GS and Mashi-mun come to mind so far. GS' excuse for not claiming "Not Vigi" seem very human-like, trying to brush it aside and claiming forgetfulness instead of arguing it or trying to say that the practice is dumb. It just seems weird if he were to out himself like that as a wolf, and even if a wolf were to forget, I feel as if GS' feign of forgetfulness was an excuse that I admit that I often do as a human.

Sauce

8. Golden Silver - I don't think there's much going against him for so many people to be suspicious of him. I think wolves try to blend in rather than stick out by refusing to comply with basic shit (as in, not saying "not vigi).

Me

7. Golden Silver: I wouldn't look too much into the situations regarding him and Mashi not claiming not vigi. I can't think of any benefit to the wolves for delaying that claim. I think he looks really human. He's been disproportionally scrutinized, and I think people aren't giving him a fair look. If anything, the fact that he was looking at the wolves' role descriptions makes him less likely to be a wolf because the actual master wolf role PM is really clear about the fact that he's seered green and from the looks of it the other wolves' role PM's don't list the master wolf as red at all.

OK I guess he was more looked at than I remembered that game but I also think he was less of an obvious wolf than you think that game. No human actually placed a vote on him.

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

I only skimmed the previous game he was a wolf (choof would know it better) but from what I gathered there he wasn't really suspected at all until some WIFOM shenanigans with the confirmed traitor happened Day 4.

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

That was Biological Warlfredo if people care to take a deeper look at that one.

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

In Love in the Crossfire he picked up a safety Day 1 and then two votes Day 2 en route to a Night 4 victory. He drew a lot of attention to himself Day 2 with a lot of activity. I'll admit I remembered this one differently, probably because I was way inactive myself.

[Nighthawk252]

Re: TWG CXXXVII - Crisis in Kitchen Stadium! Bobby Flay's Revenge - GAME THREAD

In A Series of Unfortunate Wolfings he got vigi'd night 1 for what I'm guessing is not claiming to the alliance fast enough.