TWG Turbo V: Everyone Pretend to be the Seer Postgame

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  • inDheart
    Picker @ JAX2
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Aug 2011
    • 505

    #16
    Re: TWG Turbo V: Everyone Pretend to be the Seer Postgame

    Originally posted by Charu
    Oh, one other thing (Sorry for posting a lot, SHIET).

    I think the lynch on Shadowolfe was kind of garbage tier and I want all of you to look back on that phase and understand why it was a garbage tier lynch.
    hella hedging there, snivy - it was really bad

    AA did a great job playing the skeptic, but gg town if AA had to do it

    e: i read shado's snippet of deadchat - "Precarious wolf, yes?" hehu
    Last edited by inDheart; 10-3-2016, 01:33 PM. Reason: no need to doublepost in something that's not a game

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    • ShadoWolfe
      FFR Player
      • Jun 2009
      • 171

      #17
      Re: TWG Turbo V: Everyone Pretend to be the Seer Postgame

      lols this game was a trainwreck that got compounded into a bigger trainwreck. Shoutouts to Juckter and the RNG gods, you're the Heroes of the Hour!





      Originally posted by Hakulyte
      I followed the "by the book" play, but I was reading the "not to do" page.
      Originally posted by XelNya
      " I'd suck a dick in a dark, dark alley."
      Originally posted by YoshL
      "i gave you 20 ducks, and spent a lot of time making one of them quack, and pointed at the particular one and asked "is that one the worst quacker"" ... "you could still give somewhat of an answer based on the quality of the quacks, and the other random quacks from the ducks surrounding that weren't the center of focus."
      Originally posted by mellon_collie
      "I love Wolfe's duck avi so much. Shado's Duck Shrine is the best!!

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      • ShadoWolfe
        FFR Player
        • Jun 2009
        • 171

        #18
        Re: TWG Turbo V: Everyone Pretend to be the Seer Postgame

        Oh. Here's two relevant parts of a longer rant in deadchat, which is pastebinned here: http://pastebin.com/gsVmw4x4

        Everyone should read the above pastebin, but MML most of all, because he's trigger happy, tunnels way too hard, and made a couple of shit plays this game. Also, he needs to get his memory checked:

        From BOATS OOTC:
        "[2:13 AM] MixMasterLar: Lemme ask you something, this time.
        [2:14 AM] Wolfe: Go for it.
        [2:14 AM] MixMasterLar: Why do you prefer being a wolf? what's the best part of it?
        [2:14 AM] Wolfe: Well, you have to understand that most of my experience is IRL
        [2:14 AM] Wolfe: IRL, wolf is just absolutely the funnest role
        [2:15 AM] Wolfe: Village townie is totes boring irl. Here, I'm actually enjoying it because there's so much discussion
        [2:15 AM] Wolfe: IRL it's like, BAM phase over BAM phase over BAM phase over
        [2:16 AM] Wolfe: so cop and mafia are funnest because you get to actually engage
        [2:16 AM] Wolfe: Idk what wolf is like online, I've never played one in MafiaScum and I'm not one here
        [2:16 AM] MixMasterLar: Word
        [2:17 AM] Wolfe: So yeah, when I said, "I wanted to be wolf"
        [2:17 AM] Wolfe: It's definitely true because I wanted a special role
        [2:17 AM] Wolfe: but like, the more I play this with y'all
        [2:18 AM] Wolfe: every single person is equally important, and it's fascinating to see the interplay of actually discussion and logic, as opposed the bullshit I was exposed to on mafiascum and the significant loss of content that comes with fast-paced IRL games
        [2:19 AM] Wolfe: Idk if that makes sense to you, but I tried to explain it as best I could
        [2:19 AM] MixMasterLar: No it makes sense
        [2:19 AM] MixMasterLar: I agree, it's a fresh game experience for sure"

        From BOATS main game thread, shortly after my introduction:

        [2:06 AM] Wolfe: Oh, further reference for the amnesiac twat:

        [2:08 AM] Wolfe: Initial XelNya probe into my experience:


        Initial response:



        MML chiming in (seriously stop smoking so much dank weed and your memory will get better, ya twat):


        My response to MML, referencing my IRL games and lack of online experience:


        XelNya's response, saying that I shouldn't play the noob card and expect to get away with it:


        Read the pastebin!
        Or read the whole deadchat, but making that public isn't up to me.





        Originally posted by Hakulyte
        I followed the "by the book" play, but I was reading the "not to do" page.
        Originally posted by XelNya
        " I'd suck a dick in a dark, dark alley."
        Originally posted by YoshL
        "i gave you 20 ducks, and spent a lot of time making one of them quack, and pointed at the particular one and asked "is that one the worst quacker"" ... "you could still give somewhat of an answer based on the quality of the quacks, and the other random quacks from the ducks surrounding that weren't the center of focus."
        Originally posted by mellon_collie
        "I love Wolfe's duck avi so much. Shado's Duck Shrine is the best!!

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        • ShadoWolfe
          FFR Player
          • Jun 2009
          • 171

          #19
          Re: TWG Turbo V: Everyone Pretend to be the Seer Postgame

          Originally posted by inDheart
          hella hedging there, snivy - it was really bad

          AA did a great job playing the skeptic, but gg town if AA had to do it

          e: i read shado's snippet of deadchat - "Precarious wolf, yes?" hehu
          You read the full thing? Wow, and you weren't even in the game :O
          You're playing in AA's game, right? Town missed ya this game >.>





          Originally posted by Hakulyte
          I followed the "by the book" play, but I was reading the "not to do" page.
          Originally posted by XelNya
          " I'd suck a dick in a dark, dark alley."
          Originally posted by YoshL
          "i gave you 20 ducks, and spent a lot of time making one of them quack, and pointed at the particular one and asked "is that one the worst quacker"" ... "you could still give somewhat of an answer based on the quality of the quacks, and the other random quacks from the ducks surrounding that weren't the center of focus."
          Originally posted by mellon_collie
          "I love Wolfe's duck avi so much. Shado's Duck Shrine is the best!!

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          • ShadoWolfe
            FFR Player
            • Jun 2009
            • 171

            #20
            Re: TWG Turbo V: Everyone Pretend to be the Seer Postgame

            Originally posted by Charu
            One immediate thing.

            I see what you were going for Pre, but I think the better option would be to either vote for your partner or don't vote at all (Or leave it where it was at).
            Precarious played well, although semi-robotically. My issue with his vote on james was that, if he was avoiding voting MML to avoid a vote on his green check, then he would've remembered that James was his green check the day before!





            Originally posted by Hakulyte
            I followed the "by the book" play, but I was reading the "not to do" page.
            Originally posted by XelNya
            " I'd suck a dick in a dark, dark alley."
            Originally posted by YoshL
            "i gave you 20 ducks, and spent a lot of time making one of them quack, and pointed at the particular one and asked "is that one the worst quacker"" ... "you could still give somewhat of an answer based on the quality of the quacks, and the other random quacks from the ducks surrounding that weren't the center of focus."
            Originally posted by mellon_collie
            "I love Wolfe's duck avi so much. Shado's Duck Shrine is the best!!

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            • Hakulyte
              aka Haku
              • Jul 2005
              • 4697

              #21
              Re: TWG Turbo V: Everyone Pretend to be the Seer Postgame

              We did it fam, 9 Seers!

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              • MixMasterLar
                Beach Bum Extraordinaire
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Aug 2006
                • 5403

                #22
                Re: TWG Turbo V: Everyone Pretend to be the Seer Postgame

                Originally posted by Charu
                Oh, one other thing (Sorry for posting a lot, SHIET).

                I think the lynch on Shadowolfe was kind of garbage tier and I want all of you to look back on that phase and understand why it was a garbage tier lynch.
                Other then me having my facts all kinds of wrong (which I deserve criticism over) I stand by my logic: he who lies > he who is absent!

                Oh.....and yeah, yeah DFR? Clearly I was probably most town at that point
                ​

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                • MixMasterLar
                  Beach Bum Extraordinaire
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 5403

                  #23
                  Re: TWG Turbo V: Everyone Pretend to be the Seer Postgame

                  Haku you deserve alot more credit then you re getting you did good
                  ​

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                  • ShadoWolfe
                    FFR Player
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 171

                    #24
                    Re: TWG Turbo V: Everyone Pretend to be the Seer Postgame

                    Originally posted by MixMasterLar
                    Other then me having my facts all kinds of wrong (which I deserve criticism over) I stand by my logic: he who lies > he who is absent!

                    Oh.....and yeah, yeah DFR? Clearly I was probably most town at that point
                    Yuup, Lynch all Liars!

                    Also just left a last post in game chat for ya, check it out (:
                    Last edited by ShadoWolfe; 10-3-2016, 02:02 PM. Reason: Hee hee hee





                    Originally posted by Hakulyte
                    I followed the "by the book" play, but I was reading the "not to do" page.
                    Originally posted by XelNya
                    " I'd suck a dick in a dark, dark alley."
                    Originally posted by YoshL
                    "i gave you 20 ducks, and spent a lot of time making one of them quack, and pointed at the particular one and asked "is that one the worst quacker"" ... "you could still give somewhat of an answer based on the quality of the quacks, and the other random quacks from the ducks surrounding that weren't the center of focus."
                    Originally posted by mellon_collie
                    "I love Wolfe's duck avi so much. Shado's Duck Shrine is the best!!

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                    • Hakulyte
                      aka Haku
                      • Jul 2005
                      • 4697

                      #25
                      Re: TWG Turbo V: Everyone Pretend to be the Seer Postgame

                      Originally posted by MixMasterLar
                      Haku you deserve alot more credit then you re getting you did good
                      You mean; "your death made this game a lot easier".

                      Kappa

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                      • Hakulyte
                        aka Haku
                        • Jul 2005
                        • 4697

                        #26
                        Re: TWG Turbo V: Everyone Pretend to be the Seer Postgame

                        Just kidding, well played. I didn't expect the "pretend to be Seer" strategy to work that well.

                        Juckter1 impressed me. I couldn't read him as Seer at all on the first Day. (that's a good thing)
                        Last edited by Hakulyte; 10-3-2016, 02:08 PM.

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                        • Precarious
                          Unacceptable
                          • Mar 2014
                          • 208

                          #27
                          Re: TWG Turbo V: Everyone Pretend to be the Seer Postgame

                          Originally posted by ShadoWolfe
                          Precarious played well, although semi-robotically. My issue with his vote on james was that, if he was avoiding voting MML to avoid a vote on his green check, then he would've remembered that James was his green check the day before!
                          James was actually my green check that day. That was kind of the problem. I didn't have time to make sure that I was actually lynching James (as opposed to just creating another RNG contestant, which is what actually happened). Either way, though, by doing so, I was conceding that I wasn't actually the seer by voting someone I had "green checked." Had I had time to actually follow what was going on, I would have left my vote on Aryxi (I could have thrown AA under the bus, but being a lone wolf with a still living seer would have been a bad situation, particularly since even if I had killed the seer other people would be confirmed green).

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                          • Precarious
                            Unacceptable
                            • Mar 2014
                            • 208

                            #28
                            Re: TWG Turbo V: Everyone Pretend to be the Seer Postgame

                            Originally posted by Charu
                            Gonna answer this here because yeah.

                            Just want to point out to our good pal Pre here that wolves, before this win, have always won this setup. However, this was a first that everyone claimed (or said something of the fact).
                            I wasn't here for the previous games, so I can't really comment on them, but the mass seer fake claiming is REALLY powerful in this setting. With only 9 players, each individual green check means something. The mass false claiming allows the seer to post their results without being targeted, and even if they're killed by mischance, their results aren't lost. This means that even in a worst case scenario, the town is going to gain real information, and since the mass results hide the seer, it makes it highly likely they survive at least until D2, and a decent chance to survive to D3+. Obviously in this game the math was skewed somewhat by one wolf dying in the first two days, but a situation where there aren't many players and a seer can safely get results out without being targeted leans town. That doesn't even account for this issue of players being constrained by their own non-seer results (in my case, I had to abandon the seer pose to vote James). Part of the issue is that the game simply resolves quickly, so it's possible that a town win looks more commanding than it actually is, but even assuming no wolf deaths, it would still take until D4 to even potentially force LYLO, and that information is always out there with role flips.

                            Essentially, wolves almost necessarily need to kill the seer on D1 or N1 to win. It kind of sounds like that had always happened to this point, which is really improbable to begin with, but it becomes even harder in the face of this particular tactic. Again, I'd recommend eliminating the N0 result, but I understand if people don't agree.

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                            • inDheart
                              Picker @ JAX2
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Aug 2011
                              • 505

                              #29
                              Re: TWG Turbo V: Everyone Pretend to be the Seer Postgame

                              Originally posted by ShadoWolfe
                              You read the full thing? Wow, and you weren't even in the game :O
                              You're playing in AA's game, right? Town missed ya this game >.>
                              yeah, it was relaxing because this weekend was not great for me, so it was nice to pop in at night and just read along instead of posting. i bought some nice shirts though so that's a highlight

                              full games are great to me now because the 24h nights let me just take whole real-life days off the game, which i really like having for my own sake

                              Originally posted by Hakulyte
                              You mean; "your death made this game a lot easier".

                              Kappa
                              when AA posted "finally" after your flip, i thought it was actually a reaction to you being dead, lol

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                              • Red Blaster
                                Bridge Burner
                                • Jun 2011
                                • 2040

                                #30
                                Re: TWG Turbo V: Everyone Pretend to be the Seer Postgame

                                Originally posted by thesunfan
                                James May
                                Good to see you back, as I haven't seen you in a game in quite a while.
                                Originally posted by hi19hi19
                                edgelord Linkin Park adolescent angst music
                                Originally posted by choof
                                hey great contribution to the thread cucklord the exit's up in the top right of your screen, it's called "log out"
                                Originally posted by Funnygurl555
                                what's a milky christmas :O

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