TWG Champions Season 2 Representative Picking

[dAnceguy117]

Re: TWG Champions Season 2 Representative Picking

yessirrrr

[Thingyman]

Re: TWG Champions Season 2 Representative Picking

Hi guys

You may already be up to date on this, but I thought I'd pop in with new information about your representative.

They have been been scheduled for the game below.

Game 6 - June 6 (36/12 phases, American deadlines)
7-Zark-7 (ARS Technica)
Arsenalex (MensTennisForums)
Augustus (Jesus Toast Mafia)
digitaldude (Manga Helpers)
FCD (VGCW Official Forum)
Jackofhearts2005 (HeroClix Realms)
madchemist (Paradox Interactive Forums)
Malcolm (DuelistGroundz)
Max Payne (Metal Gear Solid Forums)
Moliere (Octopus Overlords)
Nimbus (One Piece Bay)
Penz0rman (Bodybuilding)
Sloonei (Rate Your Music)
Sunbae (Mafia Universe)
tbane5 (American Hattrick org community)
The Sun Fan (Flash Flash Revolution)
Xardob (TaleWorlds)

The game is taking place on Mafia Universe.

I want to talk about and spectate the game - what do I do?

If you wish to actively spectate and show support for your representative, then there are two ways of doing this.

1) There will be a private spectator thread on the site for each game that you may request access to. Simply register on the site and PM the user "Thingyman", and I will add you. Feel free to spectate games that your representative isn't in as well. These threads are published after the game completes.

2) We have a spectator chat on Skype, with currently more than 200 people in it. It's very active and fun, I highly suggest you join it if you have Skype. It's way more active than the on-site ones. Just add me: thingyman.

None of these two chats/threads will be spoiled!

Finally, we kindly ask that you refrain from commenting too much on the games in public on this forum, as the other representatives will easily be able to find and read through this (as has happened in the past). I can't control what you do here, but out of respect for the integrity of this Championship, it's best if you don't discuss your reads on your representative or the other players or make comments that could potentially indicate your reads. I.e. even something like "oh man, our representative is totally being his usual self right now" is not good. Speaking very generally about what has happened so far in the game (so as to update your fellow community members) without commenting on it is fine though.

I hope this doesn't seem too strict to you guys, but the game can become very uncomfortable (and unfair) if there is discussion about it outside of the game thread. If you want to have your own private spectator chat, that is of course also totally fine and I even encourage it (I'd love to be added if you make one of these)

I wish your representative and your community all the best of luck for this season!

[Charles Claythorne]

Re: TWG Champions Season 2 Representative Picking

sup fam!!! Mashi here and about to tell you how my boyfriend sunfan (aka tsundere-chan) is gonna LAY DOWN THE LAW when it comes to TWG. Bcs his bio got lost or smthing idk.
But the last time I played with him was like a year ago so lol, I hope this is all accurate!!!

One special quality about sunfan is that he's perfect. And modest too! He's somewhat lacking in confidence about his TWG aptitude (even though his track record begs to differ), but perhaps that's because he has a strong introspection and solid understanding of his strengths and weaknesses. Chances are that if he has evidence for something and isn't feeling confident about it, he's right!

In my opinion, sunfan is strongest when he's Human (don't misunderstand - his Wolf performances are top-notch too), because his detective abilities are almost unmatched compared among those I've played with. I feel he's very self-conscious about all his thoughts, and very perceptive with regard to understanding another Player's mindset in the game (which might be entirely different from his own). If you're a Wolf, watch out! Because he's going to pull some endgame BS-epiphany-read shenanigans that'll get you caught!

Regarding his Wolf performances, he does a good job emulating his Human actions. I think I have an intuition about when to suspect him (I don't always end up lynching him, but when he's a Wolf, there's usually an uneasy feeling inside of me about him by midgame). Though, there might be one Wolf-tell he sort of makes sometimes...
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What's that? You were expecting me to say what it was? Don't be frivolous, of course I won't say!

I think sunfan's strongest suit is mechanics - always when I play with him, he knows exactly what every Role ought to do, when to false claim, and other related stuff. And it doesn't seem to me that he even actively thinks about it, it's as if it all comes natural to him; I always pretend like I'm as quick-thinking as him and blindly agree with whatever he says whenever we're in a live TWG! Maybe you will too when you're AWED by his impeccable logic!!!

Regardless of his Role, he's probably going to devote a billion hours to the game, time-permitting. I don't think that activity is anything telling about him necessarily - he's likely to be an active voice. I don't feel that sunfan is necessarily a domineering presence, but if time calls for it, he'll take the role of leading voice in a discussion if it comes to it.

Miscellaneous: In my VERY FIRST TWG with sunfan, he (and others) mislynched me when I claimed a Special Role (though, he did start having second thoughts near the end of the Day Phase), and then proceeded to lynch the remaining Wolves at MYLO. Classic sunfan.

Oh, another thing about sunfan!!! Did you know that the sun in sunfan is actually Chinese??? sunfan is actually Chinese for 很好, which is Chinese for hen hao, which is pinyin for sunfan!

Also, I've neglected to say so thus far, but sunfan isn't just some random sunfan! He's THE sunfan. Sort of like how Stephanie Beard is THE sugarbaby!

Did you know that sunfan saved my life from a gang once? They were gonna shoot me in the face, but sunfan jumped in the way, took the hit, and then SMASHED the guys on the ground! He's my hero!!!

He even beat up a trillion lions once! For the Sun's sake ofc.

Speaking of, the fan in sunfan is a literal fan. He's literally fanning the Sun. Like, right now. While he's playing. He's trying to cool it off. No, really, I'm right next to him watching. You go, sunfan!

tl;dr - All you need to know about sunfan summed up in one neat video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pqKiOZdI40
There's a secret message in there about sunfan - you're going to have to watch the whole thing if you want to find it!

[lurker]

Re: TWG Champions Season 2 Representative Picking

sunfan is going to get lynched d1

[dAnceguy117]

Re: TWG Champions Season 2 Representative Picking

with style!

[Thingyman]

Re: TWG Champions Season 2 Representative Picking

Hi guys

Here is the game thread if you want to follow along in your representative's Championship game: mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/2285-Season-3-Game-6-Mad-Men-Mafia-Championship

[Tokzic]

Re: TWG Champions Season 2 Representative Picking

thanks for the heads-up thingyman

[thesunfan]

Re: TWG Champions Season 2 Representative Picking

Made it to the wildcard game, as I think a lot of people know

The game was really, really stellar. Its why I play this game, and it gave me a feeling I haven't felt in a long time.

I absolutely love you guys, and I wouldn't be here if I didn't believe you to be intelligent players worth playing with, through and through, so I mean this with no offense, because I am putting myself down as well with this statement, but it was the highest quality game I have ever played of Werewolf.

Every single player in the game was at least above average. I'd probably put myself around 8th or 9th overall out of the pool of 18 (There were originally 17, but one replaced out), but there's a huge amount of distance between where I am on that, and where the top 5 player are. They're in a league of their own. Seeing some of the events happen in the game reminds me of why I play this game, the feeling of confusion of not knowing what's going on when your top townreads turn out to be wolves, combing the thread for hours looking for evidence to back your world, but not finding it, is thrilling.

The box score of this game looks something like this:

Players:
Beck (NovoCiv)
benneh (Two Plus Two)
Da Letter El (Smogon Forums)
GeneralHankerchief (The Org)
Joga bonito (Football Forums)
Klopp (PilkarskieForum)
Lissa (Ultimate Mafia)
Montecore (Two Plus Two)
MysteriousLad (Wars World News Forum)
Nego (Vendetta Strada)
Newcomb (Dark Lord Potter)
Panther (Fifth Avenue)
Royal Ape (BoardGameGeek)
Sunbae (Mafia Universe)
The Sun Fan (Flash Flash Revolution)
UpsideDownChuck (Play Diplomacy)
Visorslash (Total War Center)

Setup Information Here

d1:

benneh replaces out. benneh is replaced by Jan (Super Mafia All-Stars). I've played literally hundreds of games of Video Mafia with Jan, seeing him replace in was a treat. I've played a few games with benneh and I know he's a top tier player, so it was a little bittersweet.

Nego Reveals as the Innocent Child. (They were getting pushed on at EOD, pretty much had to happen. Innocent Child can choose when to Reveal in this setup, which I really like. Adds depth to a role that previously had literally no depth.)

Royal Ape is lynched, Royal Ape is flipped as the Wolf Watcher.

At this point, town knows the setup exactly. Row 6 is the only possible setup, because it is the only one that contains both an Innocent Child and a Wolf Watcher.) The final votecount is here. As you can see, Da Letter El was a strong counterwagon to the wolf. Going into the next day, everyone but myself and one or two other players believed the Da Letter El wagon to be pure, and that town was just stomping the wolves.

n1:

Klopp is killed (by the vigilante, but we did not know this for sure until later. Kills are not distinguished by the mod.) Klopp flips as Vanilla Town.
GeneralHandkerchief is killed (by the wolves). GeneralHandkerchief flips as Vanilla Town.

Firstly, the Klopp shot was terrible. Both Klopp and GH pushed Royal Ape hard and from the beginning. The vigi later thought that Klopp would be the type to bus, I don't see it at all, I think the vigi really fucked up there.

d2:

Da Letter El is lynched. Da Letter El flips as Vanilla Town.

This is the point where I'm kind of disappointed in myself. I felt like I knew that after seeing Royal Ape flip Wolf, that Da Letter El had to be town, there was literally no way town was just crushing in that hard. I spent hours ISOing the players who voted for Da Letter El on d1, and I couldn't find jack shit on any of them. I flipped on Da Letter El as a result, and this is the point of the game where I really, really lost my groove and never got it back. Going into d2, I was probably the most correct player in the game, I had all three wolves in my sights, and I threw it away because I couldn't find what I felt like I knew was there. It was, and is, very humbling. I voted for Da Letter El that day, and I feel pretty bad about flipping on him. Final votecount is here. joga bonito was the counterwagon, and for pretty good reason imo. He wasn't really interacting with any players in real time, he spend the entirety of his time alive trying to catch up on the thread, and his thoughts, when he posted them were just outdated. Unfortunate for him, but playing that way pretty much means he had to die.

n2:

joga bonito is killed (by the vigilante). joga bonito flips Vanilla Town.
Newcomb is killed (by the wolves). Newcomb flips Vanilla Town.


The joga shot is a lot better than their previous one, the vigilante decided to actually shoot who town wanted them to. A lot of people felt like they should've shot Da Letter El the first night, and a lot of people yelled at them for not doing so, probably rightly so. Newcomb had really good reads, they, like me, felt like Da Letter El was town, but they didn't flip, and they had all the remaining wolves as a result. They were pushing on one especially hard, and is a large part of the reason why there were the kill.

d3:

Jan is lynched. Jan flips as the Wolf 2-shot Roleblocker.

Pretty mechanical lynch. Jan subbed into a bad spot, wasn't able to project hard town, was getting pushed by Newcomb, and the counterwagon of Panther claimed vigilante. Nothing Jan can do to avoid it, I think. Final votecount is here.

n3:

Sunbae is killed (by the vigilante). Sunbae flips Vanilla Wolf.
UpsideDownChuck is killed (by the wolves). UpsideDownChuck flips as Vanilla Town.

At this point, a few things happened, the most important being an absolute sense of mindfuck that Sunbae was a wolf. He was top poster the previous day by far, and his posts were incredibly pure. He was soft busing his partners too, which made it even more impressive that the vigi actually made an incredible here shot, in my opinion. Something I've mentioned to a few people before is that TWG makes me feel great when unpredictable things like that happen. UpsideDownChuck was a Tracker hunt by the wolves, it was getting to the point where the Tracker actually posed a threat to the wolves, as the wolves have to make a kill every single night, and the kill is trackable.

d4:

MysteriousLad is lynched. MysteriousLad flips Vanilla Town.

Final votecount is here. They were playing similarly to joga, they were behind, there was only one wolf left at this point, and a few people had cleared themselves based on events earlier in the game (Lissa, Visorslash and myself were almost never wolves in everyone's opinion. Panther had claimed vigilante and was uncounterclaimed. Nego was still alive, so it was coming down to a numbers game at that point. This lynch was another lynch that had to happen. Montecore was the agreed upon vigishot going into the night, he had hard defended Jan and had soft defended Royal Ape, so it was another kill that just had to happen. They were asked to vote for themselves, and did so in order to speed up the phase. A rare example of an acceptable time to vote for yourself.

n4:

Montecore is killed (by the vigilante). Montecore flips as Vanilla Town.
The Sun Fan is killed (by the wolf). The Sun Fan flips as Vanilla Town.

Wolves had to kill the Tracker or they would instantly lose. The Tracker could only be myself, Lissa, or Visorslash, the last wolf said they agonized a lot over who it could have been, had eliminated Lissa (for good reasons), and had believed Visorslash's Vanilla Town claim earlier in the game. Unfortunately, Visor was the Tracker, and even though he tracked me that night, it did not matter, because the last wolf no longer had any outs. The living players were Panther (the vigi), Nego (the IC), Visor (the Tracker) and Lissa and Beck. Town can lynch Lissa and Beck in any order and win the game, so the last wolf, Beck, conceded, leading to...

d5: Beck is lynched. Beck flips as Vanilla Wolf, Town wins the game. Final votecount is pretty meaningless here, the last wolf outed themselves and bit the bullet, understandably so.

All in all, it truly was a pleasure to have played in the wildcard game, I consider it an honor to have been chosen by the jury to move on into that. I found it significantly more pleasurable than the qualifying game before it, as I have gone on record to a few people saying that the vast majority of players in that game were below average in my opinion. Thank you all very much for allowing me to represent this site in this event. I don't think I said that before, but it meant a lot to me to be chosen.

Not going to give too of a talk here, but playing there reinforced my opinion that, on this esoteric, nearly dead forum, there is a small but thriving player-base for a slightly-less-esoteric forum game, and that player here on FFR, if you work hard enough at it, you truly can become a top-tier player while having a lot of fun doing it.

I'd put my chances of moving on into the Finals at very, very low. I truly believe that I am not good enough of a player in order to take the spot from someone else in the wildcard game, or, if replacements are needed, there are a lot of players in the game who I consider to be my superior in this game without a doubt. In order for this to happen, I think a lot of people who are in the Finals already would have to replace out (something like 10 would be my guess), and that's just unrealistic. I am eligible to be voted if there is a season four, but I think I would rather let someone else from FFR go next time instead of me, as there is a good chance I could represent DailyMafia or Super Mafia All-Stars instead, and there was not very much interest in anyone from those communities playing in the series.

Thank you all for voting for me, thanks to everyone who hyped me up, special thanks to Mashi for writing a kick-ass Bio for me, it was a pleasure. It means probably more to me than a lot of you would think that this small, subsection of a forum still has people dedicated to playing these games after all these years, and though I have spent a short time here compared to some of you, thank you for giving me a place here.

As for what is to come, well

you all already know, but

only TIME will tell

[Charu]

Re: TWG Champions Season 2 Representative Picking

Hey, no problem. Knew you would have fun, hee hee hee

[mellonxcollie]

Re: TWG Champions Season 2 Representative Picking

I'm glad to hear you had such a good time! And thank you for providing that summary, it seems like it was a great game.

[Red Blaster]

Re: TWG Champions Season 2 Representative Picking

Tfw I read Montecore as Manticore

[thesunfan]

Re: TWG Champions Season 2 Representative Picking

Tfw I read Montecore as Manticore

Yeah, its a neat coincidence

[T-Force]

Re: TWG Champions Season 2 Representative Picking

It's good to see our community was well-represented, and it looks like that game breathed a new breath of fire into you. I only hope it doesn't get quenched playing here again.

Thanks for the summary Greg, and thanks for representing our community.

[thesunfan]

Re: TWG Champions Season 2 Representative Picking

It's good to see our community was well-represented, and it looks like that game breathed a new breath of fire into you. I only hope it doesn't get quenched playing here again.

Thanks for the summary Greg, and thanks for representing our community.

You guys keep me sharp, and I hope I help keep you guys sharp

I do absolutely believe that playing here can create some of the best players on the internet. I know it sounds like a catch phrase, but probably all of you were better than some of the competition I faced in the qualifying round.

It did put me in a mood to play TWG, not gonna lie.

[Charu]

Re: TWG Champions Season 2 Representative Picking

Heh, well it's good to know that I'm not bad... maybe.

Hee hee hee