jTWG LXV: POSTGAME

[Charu]

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I think the best way to go about it, from how I perceive Mafia/TWG, is to approach the game with intent to not have words crush you and instead look past it and ask yourself why they're trying to verbally crush you.

Also, I'm motherfuckin' Charu, get on my level, wowee!

[RNGRX]

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I think the best way to go about it, from how I perceive Mafia/TWG, is to approach the game with intent to not words crush you and instead look past it and ask yourself why they're trying to verbally crush you.

Also, I'm motherfuckin' Charu, get on my level, wowee!

So cute~

[Gun92]

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@silly. I think the more you play the game, the more you become desensitized to what would normally upset you and you get thicker skin. It takes awhile. It's like V said on the other page, being an extreme person can net you valuable info if you are persistent and constant. Just remember that people get intense to get info out of you. It's not personal. I don't think I've ever played a game where I felt attacked on a personal level nor have I ever seen it against anyone else. Just keep playing and you get used to it. It's not a very common play style so it's not something that happens a lot

[Cavernio]

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Well, if we can't actually discuss that subtle sexism that no one even realizes is sexism is a thing, at the point in the game where tforce was reading as a towny, that Gun message yoshl congratulating him for being a wolf, therefore letting yosh know that at the end, funnygurl wasn't a wolf. Except no one else had this information at the time.

And this will be seen as a huge issue I'm sure, because the sanctity of a fucking game is more important to people than basic human decency.

It is specifically infuriating because NO ONE UNDERSTANDS THAT IT WAS SEXIST. It's like if I were angry at being told to sit at the back of the bus because I was a woman because that's just where women sit, and then in response to that I got 'What? I don't see the issue.' I am being told that 'I'm overreacting' to being told to sit at the back of the bus because everyone else is blind as to what the fucking problem is. If it had happened, and then everyone let it lie like was going on, I would have been fine.

That no one, literally NO ONE in this thread understands why I am upset is frustrating as hell. This isn't about being personally attacked. This is about subtle sexism that exists outside of the nuance of TWG which happened to come up in TWG. What Gun said didn't even have anything to do with playing the game. My gender was being used as an insult. If this had been ANYWHERE else on this site, including TGB where insults and flames abound, that would not have flown. Because the standards of this website are such that

SunFan, fuck you. Fuck you and your fucking game. You didn't give us proper rules, you didn't give us proper times for phase ends, you fucking ruled that it didn't matter that yosh had info at the end of the game that basically damned me, and now you're fucking running away because I'm making people uncomfortable.

Here's a fucking clue. Address the problem head on. Seriously, this site is being fucking run by a bunch of fucking morons who can't see past their own understanding of what sexism is, is the problem. The reason this hasn't been addressed head on is because they don't understand why it's a problem, and are all like 'uh personal insults, um, ah, this is a game where people get insulted...not sure what to do'

What was a small, localized thing about Gun specifically has gotten turned into a much bigger thing because even though it got initially treated fine, it then got brought up that 'I over-reacted and that I couldn't possibly have actually be insulted by something insulting, it must have been a game play' and then having everyone else is now being like 'Cav, over-reacting'.

I am NOT over-reacting. YOU do not understand. And I don't know how to make you all understand, but I'm trying, because that's all I fucking want.

Fuck you mods. You're fucking idiots. You'll probably delete my post and ban me because, oh look, I'm insulting mods and that's against site policy and I guarantee that even though this is TWG forums where insults are allowed, this particular sort of insult and aggravation is 'taking it too far'. Oh, but how I was insulted and then poked with, wasn't.

[RNGRX]

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After all this is over and you're still going on about this? You would assume one would realize that they are the actual problem after nobody sides with them. You should work on that emotional insecurity of yours.

[Cavernio]

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Maybe if people didn't insult me for my gender I wouldn't be emotionally insecure.

[Cavernio]

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'Stand up for yourself poindexter', if anyone gets the simpson's reference

[Cavernio]

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Yeah, no idea why a bunch of white, male teenagers and 20 something's would not understand prejudice.

[Cavernio]

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Since I can insult people with impunity on here, apparently, you're the stupidest TWG player ever R. Like, seriously. I had no hope of convincing you of anything because you're too fucking stupid.

[TC_Halogen]

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That is enough.

I have more to post but I'm telling you right now: post one more time and you'll be banned.

R: one more thing that comes out of your mouth like that again and you'll be banned too.

everyone else: stop talking for just a moment so I can get caught up because I want to make sure I take proper action here, since obviously I'm the only impartial person here at this point

edits in TWG: dammit Kayla

[psychoangel691]

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Cavernio I don't know you well at all and I can understand fully why you're upset but I also understand why others are being dismissive of what happened. It's common in the wolf game for people to bring up a variety of things to get an emotional reaction out of another player. I had a game where I blew up and quit because I felt like what was going on was wrong and then even after the game I had J-rodd making insulting comments at me for quitting the game because I got upset.
I'm not going to defend either party, I'm just going to say that TWG can be a rough ass game and things do get said that can really be bothersome. I think that maybe this needs to be something that new players are warned about prior to playing the game. I don't think anyone really realizes how ruthless it can be until they play a game or two.

[psychoangel691]

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That is enough.

I have more to post but I'm telling you right now: post one more time and you'll be banned.

R: one more thing that comes out of your mouth like that again and you'll be banned too.

everyone else: stop talking for just a moment so I can get caught up because I want to make sure I take proper action here, since obviously I'm the only impartial person here at this point

edits in TWG: dammit Kayla

Yeah well I didn't know you were going to tell people to stop talking

Plus I wasn't trying to be an ass to anyone involved or anything :/

[devonin]

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If we're on this: notable quotes from previous games that received no amount of attention/punishment

"If you vote for X, I hope your parents were into incest while you were growing up."

Was this said to somebody who was sexually assaulted by a family member?

"If you think I'm a wolf, I will find you and I will sodomize you with a rusty crowbar."

Was this said to somebody you knew to have been raped?

"Your logic is so bad you must have down-syndrome."

Was this said to somebody you knew to have Downs Syndrome?

those were from memory so they're probably not like, word-for-word, but this game was certainly a departure from the norm.

Then why are all of you trying as hard as you possibly can to normalize it?

[TC_Halogen]

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@ Cavernio: You're obviously in disagreement with everyone else; you've made that quite clear with everyone but now you've resorted to flaming, and that needs to stop.

@ devonin: that post does not hold any sort of merit; you're implying that we should take action just because a specific statement is said towards a particular person -- at the end of the day, they're used colloquially in TWG, and not intended as insults in the context of the game. This is what everyone is failing to understand.

I completely understand being upset about what has been said, not just with Gun's situation, but also with feeling like you were being targeted by YoshL too -- the issue between both sides is that one person used it as a tactic for producing a tell (YoshL), and the other interpreted it as a legitimate insult (you). YoshL's post was definitely overly harsh given the context of a jTWG, but it is not something that is unheard of in a regular game. In fact, there are plenty of games where people resort to mudslinging in an effort to get the other person to crack, and it is generally accepted in the game to do so.

I like to think that TGB/TWG are their own areas of the site that have their own, less standardized rules; like TGB, TWG is a subset of the forums that often breaks conventional forum rules (albeit for different reasons) because the increased aggression is typically done within the context of the game and nothing more. It would be safe to say that such a statement would likely not have happened outside of TWG unless there was a slew of flaming/trolling/(etc) to start with, and in that case, a ban would hold considerably more merit.

[TC_Halogen]

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additionally: I would like to say that as a staff member, I am not opposed to normalized rules in TWG in the event that something like this happens again.

however, being ridiculously picky about them now is unfair to users being infracted for them now.

here's my suggestion: get a TWG committee going, establish rules on what is fair within the context of a game, and define at what point where the global forum rules apply rather than having things like this happen.