In The Groove Vs DDR

[travman301]

Re: In The Groove Vs DDR

AND ITG'S PADS ARE SOOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER.

Like srsly any itg dedicab puts DDR machines to shame. In b4 DDRX because they took ITG's pad design and applied to DDRX.

[CrunkaMOFUKKalicious]

Re: In The Groove Vs DDR

Time to de-rail a thread that has been already quieted down.

Now normally, I wouldn't mind a person that says "I hate ITG because of this...'' but the facts that are being used against ITG are wrong.

SO, let's play, shall we?

ITG



- In DDR, if you hold a full life bar for a while and then suddenly miss, the lifebar eats you alive, it can potentially kill you by missing only 4 notes in a row. ITG on the other hand has a specific metric that tells the game exactly how much life to take away per arrow on each judge. ITG 1, DDR 0.




- Totally opinionated, J-Pop sucks IMO, sorry, you cannot use that. ITG 1, DDR 0.



- Wrong. Hard difficulty in ITG is the equivalent to DDRs Heavy/Expert (wtf is it nowadays? They can't even keep a default heavy difficulty level? ITG 2, DDR 0) difficulties. The only difference is unlike DDR's attempt at being innovative using crappy double-stepping patterns, ITG tries to be different by making you do full-body turns, or spin gallops, etc. ITG 3, DDR 0.



- DDR was the base of things; ITG took DDR's base and made it better. And you can't say that ITG did everything bad since DDR X has "shock arrows" (the equivalent of mines). ITG 4, DDR 1 (gave a point to both).



- Then you don't like playing something that makes step-charts so much more fun, and physically tolling at the same time. Maybe you don't like hands, but the fact that it is available to do (AND take off) makes ITG win automatically. ITG 5, DDR 1.

DDR



- Really? DDR's scale goes from 1 to 10, and ITG's scale goes from 1 to 13.

Potential response: "Just because ITG has a higher difficulty range doesn't make it an even balance."

Oh, but it does--every conventional Novice chart is a 1 on ITG, something that makes some songs not playable to very new players (a.k.a. all boss songs). Not only does ITG have a static novice difficulty, but also has a static minimum for Expert charts, all of which are ranked at LEAST a 9, but no lower. Balance is definitely in ITG, and the song lists between In The Groove 1 and 2 pump out at least 130 songs, which attains a nice balance seeing as how most are stepped fully on singles and doubles. ITG 5, DDR 1.



Completely subjective, opinionated, and holds absolutely no relevance to the point. ITG 5, DDR 1.



Already been disproved in the ITG section of my rebuttal. Score stays the same.



What? What makes you not able to practice on ITG? The home version of ITG has a mode called "Practice Mode" where you can look measure by measure at each part of the song and then review it and master it, just like how DDR has training mode. Failed attempt at an argument.

Since THAT has been completely demolished, let me throw in my OWN mix of elements to refute for ITG.

*Custom Songs

In The Groove supports any custom song granted that you make steps for it, make the music file an .ogg, and in some cases, have your song under 2 minutes, which is the length of most DDR songs anyway. DDR on the other hand, requires you to bring a PS1 memory card to even consider playing edits on them, and that's only on SOME cabinets. ITG 6, DDR 1.

*Hackable

In The Groove hard drives can be manipulated to allow for the addition of stepcharts directly onto the hard drive. DDR? Not even close. You know what's even better? Some people want to get rid of DDR so much that they hack eliminate DDR from their drive and then throw In The Groove on it--they're desperate enough to play on terrible DDR cabinets. And even then, some people upgrade their machines just so they can get the good pads that ITG has. What? Did I just hear a triple whammy? Hacks? Upgrades? Better pads? ITG 9, DDR 1.

*Scriptable Nonstops/Marathons

This beats DDR on so many levels. Courses don't have to be a single mod (group) per song, you can have mods change anytime you want, granted you know how to do it. Take a look at this. Excessive? Sure. But this is made by one of the best course scripters in the world, and he makes courses to provide not only a visual challenge, but a mental challenge as well. ITG 10, DDR 1.

*Modifier selection

ITG beats DDR really badly here too. Other than speed mods (obviously), you can choose more than one mod in each group of mods. Unlike in DDR, you can choose Hidden/Sudden at the same time. You can choose Boost/Brake at the same time. Heck, you can even flip the targets and have two on top and two on bottom. Modifier manipulation in ITG is way more advanced than DDR is. ITG 11, DDR 1.

Well, ITG won the Dancing Game World Series in my eyes, score of 11 to 1 is pretty conclusive.

Let me throw a little bit more out there though, ITG has a very active community, even after the suit that Konami did to them, and that community is always creating stepcharts/courses and other content for the game. ITG modifying has become such a common art, and DDR players cannot experience that because there simply is not enough freedom. I think I posted enough for one day.

/thread

You, Sir, Win :]

[Psychotik]

Re: In The Groove Vs DDR

Time to de-rail a thread that has been already quieted down.

Now normally, I wouldn't mind a person that says "I hate ITG because of this...'' but the facts that are being used against ITG are wrong.

SO, let's play, shall we?

ITG



- In DDR, if you hold a full life bar for a while and then suddenly miss, the lifebar eats you alive, it can potentially kill you by missing only 4 notes in a row. ITG on the other hand has a specific metric that tells the game exactly how much life to take away per arrow on each judge. ITG 1, DDR 0.




- Totally opinionated, J-Pop sucks IMO, sorry, you cannot use that. ITG 1, DDR 0.



- Wrong. Hard difficulty in ITG is the equivalent to DDRs Heavy/Expert (wtf is it nowadays? They can't even keep a default heavy difficulty level? ITG 2, DDR 0) difficulties. The only difference is unlike DDR's attempt at being innovative using crappy double-stepping patterns, ITG tries to be different by making you do full-body turns, or spin gallops, etc. ITG 3, DDR 0.



- DDR was the base of things; ITG took DDR's base and made it better. And you can't say that ITG did everything bad since DDR X has "shock arrows" (the equivalent of mines). ITG 4, DDR 1 (gave a point to both).



- Then you don't like playing something that makes step-charts so much more fun, and physically tolling at the same time. Maybe you don't like hands, but the fact that it is available to do (AND take off) makes ITG win automatically. ITG 5, DDR 1.

DDR



- Really? DDR's scale goes from 1 to 10, and ITG's scale goes from 1 to 13.

Potential response: "Just because ITG has a higher difficulty range doesn't make it an even balance."

Oh, but it does--every conventional Novice chart is a 1 on ITG, something that makes some songs not playable to very new players (a.k.a. all boss songs). Not only does ITG have a static novice difficulty, but also has a static minimum for Expert charts, all of which are ranked at LEAST a 9, but no lower. Balance is definitely in ITG, and the song lists between In The Groove 1 and 2 pump out at least 130 songs, which attains a nice balance seeing as how most are stepped fully on singles and doubles. ITG 5, DDR 1.



Completely subjective, opinionated, and holds absolutely no relevance to the point. ITG 5, DDR 1.



Already been disproved in the ITG section of my rebuttal. Score stays the same.



What? What makes you not able to practice on ITG? The home version of ITG has a mode called "Practice Mode" where you can look measure by measure at each part of the song and then review it and master it, just like how DDR has training mode. Failed attempt at an argument.

Since THAT has been completely demolished, let me throw in my OWN mix of elements to refute for ITG.

*Custom Songs

In The Groove supports any custom song granted that you make steps for it, make the music file an .ogg, and in some cases, have your song under 2 minutes, which is the length of most DDR songs anyway. DDR on the other hand, requires you to bring a PS1 memory card to even consider playing edits on them, and that's only on SOME cabinets. ITG 6, DDR 1.

*Hackable

In The Groove hard drives can be manipulated to allow for the addition of stepcharts directly onto the hard drive. DDR? Not even close. You know what's even better? Some people want to get rid of DDR so much that they hack eliminate DDR from their drive and then throw In The Groove on it--they're desperate enough to play on terrible DDR cabinets. And even then, some people upgrade their machines just so they can get the good pads that ITG has. What? Did I just hear a triple whammy? Hacks? Upgrades? Better pads? ITG 9, DDR 1.

*Scriptable Nonstops/Marathons

This beats DDR on so many levels. Courses don't have to be a single mod (group) per song, you can have mods change anytime you want, granted you know how to do it. Take a look at this. Excessive? Sure. But this is made by one of the best course scripters in the world, and he makes courses to provide not only a visual challenge, but a mental challenge as well. ITG 10, DDR 1.

*Modifier selection

ITG beats DDR really badly here too. Other than speed mods (obviously), you can choose more than one mod in each group of mods. Unlike in DDR, you can choose Hidden/Sudden at the same time. You can choose Boost/Brake at the same time. Heck, you can even flip the targets and have two on top and two on bottom. Modifier manipulation in ITG is way more advanced than DDR is. ITG 11, DDR 1.

Well, ITG won the Dancing Game World Series in my eyes, score of 11 to 1 is pretty conclusive.

Let me throw a little bit more out there though, ITG has a very active community, even after the suit that Konami did to them, and that community is always creating stepcharts/courses and other content for the game. ITG modifying has become such a common art, and DDR players cannot experience that because there simply is not enough freedom. I think I posted enough for one day.

/thread

I am gay for you.

[Flandre Scarlet]

Re: In The Groove Vs DDR

Thread got fuccen wrecked by Halogen. xD

I do agree with every single point, ITG is better =P

I wish I had an ITG machine here like I did back in Ohio though. ;_;

[TC_Halogen]

Re: In The Groove Vs DDR

I am gay for you.

Thread got fuccen wrecked by Halogen. xD

I do agree with every single point, ITG is better =P

I wish I had an ITG machine here like I did back in Ohio though. ;_;

<3

It's the damn truth though. There is simply no aspect of DDR that beats ITG--and if someone thinks there is, I can simply counterpoint it. >=l

[awein999]

Re: In The Groove Vs DDR

yup itg is better. I started on ddr and then switched to itg, it's just better in pretty much every aspect

[MooMoo_Cowfreak]

Re: In The Groove Vs DDR

Oh, but it does--every conventional Novice chart is a 1 on ITG, something that makes some songs not playable to very new players (a.k.a. all boss songs). Not only does ITG have a static novice difficulty, but also has a static minimum for Expert charts, all of which are ranked at LEAST a 9, but no lower. Balance is definitely in ITG, and the song lists between In The Groove 1 and 2 pump out at least 130 songs, which attains a nice balance seeing as how most are stepped fully on singles and doubles. ITG 5, DDR 1.

I agree with everything but isn't Pandemonium Novice a two?

[TC_Halogen]

Re: In The Groove Vs DDR

I agree with everything but isn't Pandemonium Novice a two?

It's actually a one; VerTex^2 and Summer are also one.

[Kage06]

Re: In The Groove Vs DDR

I've only ever played on DDR in the arcade (Dancing Stage here, in the UK), as there isn't an ITG machine near me in sight Plus, now Konami got their hands on Roxor (that correct?), there won't be any more ITG's, and machines will probably dissapear too, if they aren't already?

I have played ITG songs though on Stepmania, and I love them. They are harder on the harder difficulties of course (DDR only goes up to level 10, and ITG has 13's), but the songs themselves have something more about them.

Plus, I just prefer the look of the game, the arrows, the fact there are no annoying dancing people, and someone shouting at you from behind the music.

If I had a ITG machine to play, i'd try them out, because I want more of a challenge than I'm getting at the moment playing in the arcade, and so, the only way to do this, is to hook up my Cobalt and play directly through Stepmania.

Plus, am I right in thinking that ITG pads (and possibly the game too) is somewhat more accurate than DDR (Dancing Stage)?

[Oni-Paranoia]

Re: In The Groove Vs DDR

Plus, am I right in thinking that ITG pads (and possibly the game too) is somewhat more accurate than DDR (Dancing Stage)?

The pads are completely identical and 99.9% the same. ITG dedi-cabs just have there step panel raised higher so its easier to bracket and can manually be raised a bit more. That explains why players can hit hands without using hands on an ITG machine but if they tried to hit a <v or ^> jump on a DDR machine with one foot.. lol yea no

[CrunkaMOFUKKalicious]

Re: In The Groove Vs DDR

I've only ever played on DDR in the arcade (Dancing Stage here, in the UK), as there isn't an ITG machine near me in sight Plus, now Konami got their hands on Roxor (that correct?), there won't be any more ITG's, and machines will probably dissapear too, if they aren't already?

Yes, Konami has taken ITG from roXor. therefore ITG is bye-bye.
BUT, people hack the crap out of DDR machines and put in openITG

(See: http://www.stepmania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14050)

[who_cares973]

Re: In The Groove Vs DDR

lol aj is ubergay for itg


i want to play itg :<

[OrganisM]

Re: In The Groove Vs DDR

Doesn't matter to me. DDR I suppose, but it's not exactly a topic of hot contention for me.

[Kage06]

Re: In The Groove Vs DDR

The pads are completely identical and 99.9% the same. ITG dedi-cabs just have there step panel raised higher so its easier to bracket and can manually be raised a bit more. That explains why players can hit hands without using hands on an ITG machine but if they tried to hit a <v or ^> jump on a DDR machine with one foot.. lol yea no

In that case, even without playing ITG, I know I wouldn't get close to 100%'s I can't AAA songs on a DDR pad, heh. Least not ours.

[SCWolf]

Re: In The Groove Vs DDR

Time to de-rail a thread that has been already quieted down.

Now normally, I wouldn't mind a person that says "I hate ITG because of this...'' but the facts that are being used against ITG are wrong.

SO, let's play, shall we?

ITG



- In DDR, if you hold a full life bar for a while and then suddenly miss, the lifebar eats you alive, it can potentially kill you by missing only 4 notes in a row. ITG on the other hand has a specific metric that tells the game exactly how much life to take away per arrow on each judge. ITG 1, DDR 0.




- Totally opinionated, J-Pop sucks IMO, sorry, you cannot use that. ITG 1, DDR 0.



- Wrong. Hard difficulty in ITG is the equivalent to DDRs Heavy/Expert (wtf is it nowadays? They can't even keep a default heavy difficulty level? ITG 2, DDR 0) difficulties. The only difference is unlike DDR's attempt at being innovative using crappy double-stepping patterns, ITG tries to be different by making you do full-body turns, or spin gallops, etc. ITG 3, DDR 0.



- DDR was the base of things; ITG took DDR's base and made it better. And you can't say that ITG did everything bad since DDR X has "shock arrows" (the equivalent of mines). ITG 4, DDR 1 (gave a point to both).



- Then you don't like playing something that makes step-charts so much more fun, and physically tolling at the same time. Maybe you don't like hands, but the fact that it is available to do (AND take off) makes ITG win automatically. ITG 5, DDR 1.

DDR



- Really? DDR's scale goes from 1 to 10, and ITG's scale goes from 1 to 13.

Potential response: "Just because ITG has a higher difficulty range doesn't make it an even balance."

Oh, but it does--every conventional Novice chart is a 1 on ITG, something that makes some songs not playable to very new players (a.k.a. all boss songs). Not only does ITG have a static novice difficulty, but also has a static minimum for Expert charts, all of which are ranked at LEAST a 9, but no lower. Balance is definitely in ITG, and the song lists between In The Groove 1 and 2 pump out at least 130 songs, which attains a nice balance seeing as how most are stepped fully on singles and doubles. ITG 5, DDR 1.



Completely subjective, opinionated, and holds absolutely no relevance to the point. ITG 5, DDR 1.



Already been disproved in the ITG section of my rebuttal. Score stays the same.



What? What makes you not able to practice on ITG? The home version of ITG has a mode called "Practice Mode" where you can look measure by measure at each part of the song and then review it and master it, just like how DDR has training mode. Failed attempt at an argument.

Since THAT has been completely demolished, let me throw in my OWN mix of elements to refute for ITG.

*Custom Songs

In The Groove supports any custom song granted that you make steps for it, make the music file an .ogg, and in some cases, have your song under 2 minutes, which is the length of most DDR songs anyway. DDR on the other hand, requires you to bring a PS1 memory card to even consider playing edits on them, and that's only on SOME cabinets. ITG 6, DDR 1.

*Hackable

In The Groove hard drives can be manipulated to allow for the addition of stepcharts directly onto the hard drive. DDR? Not even close. You know what's even better? Some people want to get rid of DDR so much that they hack eliminate DDR from their drive and then throw In The Groove on it--they're desperate enough to play on terrible DDR cabinets. And even then, some people upgrade their machines just so they can get the good pads that ITG has. What? Did I just hear a triple whammy? Hacks? Upgrades? Better pads? ITG 9, DDR 1.

*Scriptable Nonstops/Marathons

This beats DDR on so many levels. Courses don't have to be a single mod (group) per song, you can have mods change anytime you want, granted you know how to do it. Take a look at this. Excessive? Sure. But this is made by one of the best course scripters in the world, and he makes courses to provide not only a visual challenge, but a mental challenge as well. ITG 10, DDR 1.

*Modifier selection

ITG beats DDR really badly here too. Other than speed mods (obviously), you can choose more than one mod in each group of mods. Unlike in DDR, you can choose Hidden/Sudden at the same time. You can choose Boost/Brake at the same time. Heck, you can even flip the targets and have two on top and two on bottom. Modifier manipulation in ITG is way more advanced than DDR is. ITG 11, DDR 1.

Well, ITG won the Dancing Game World Series in my eyes, score of 11 to 1 is pretty conclusive.

Let me throw a little bit more out there though, ITG has a very active community, even after the suit that Konami did to them, and that community is always creating stepcharts/courses and other content for the game. ITG modifying has become such a common art, and DDR players cannot experience that because there simply is not enough freedom. I think I posted enough for one day.

/thread

You sir, are brilliant. You're pretty much the equivilent of Reach, but for ITG