FFR Suggestions

[All_That_Chaz]

Re: FFR Suggestions

I think you mean you want the combo multiplier set to 1. Your scores would look pretty bad with a multiplier of 0.

And if they get rid of the combo bonus, they'd probably have to do away with boos which would be a lot of work.

[who_cares973]

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people will still mash lol. as long as there are full combos people will mash to get them if they cant already

[~Zeta~]

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It's moreover for the sake of ranks. I don't know why boos would be erased, though. Still would be a factor in score nonetheless.

[kmay]

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i suggest a day where we can click a button and all flag scores get made into AAAs

btw i agree with getting rid of combo based scoring so hardcore. >

[Hakulyte]

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I don't see a reason to change how this system is working considering everyone who are better than the mashers can probably mash where they miss and win on accuracy regardless.

[~Zeta~]

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But to mash those sections JUST to get 0 misses defeats the purpose of a skill game. It's like songs for Grist, grind2, and any other extremely technical or hard song. Getting 13-1-3-4 is not worth being high rank compared to 134-34-0-325? Where's the "skill" in mashing? Also, most find not mashing for FC have better PA while FC'ing gives them pretty bad PA.

[DossarLX ODI]

Re: FFR Suggestions

I think you mean you want the combo multiplier set to 1. Your scores would look pretty bad with a multiplier of 0.

No. Then a file with a combo not ending in 5 or 0 would give you a score that ends in a different number (like 1056 could make the score end in 6)

Also boos and misses are still going to be factors in the score, and boos don't necessarily need to be changed in value. In many cases boos are from laziness to trying to figure out certain patterns in a file (there are also many legit cases of not being able to do patterns) and just mashing through it.

You can think of it this way... would you rather flail your hands across a piano keyboard or miss some notes but maintain the correct notes? Smashing the piano could make you hit the notes listed on a sheet of music, but then you have all those extra notes.

[Hakulyte]

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Where's the "skill" in mashing?

You're alterating the difficulty of the charts if you allow yourself to miss in songs to have better pa. It's like I played Magical 8bit Tour and missed the transitions on the 32nd trills to get 8-2-10-8 instead of 30-12-0-30. The reason imo why 13-1-3-4 would be worse than 134-34-0-325 is because missing is like a major blunder/being greedy on pa and mashing is like understanding that you can't do X part and trying to compensate by showing at least the speed with a pa penalty. If you can 13-1-3-4 something, you can definitely get like 18-3-0-16 and work from there. I think that boos could have a bigger penalty on songs rather than taking out the combo-scoring. It could affect the score in an exponential way when you start having too many of them.

tldr; Where's the "skill" in missing?

[rushyrulz]

Re: FFR Suggestions

idr who suggested it, but they proposed that all the FC/AAA scores would stay the same if
perfect: 1550
good: 1275
avg: 1055
boo: -20
miss: -310
combo: 0

[DossarLX ODI]

Re: FFR Suggestions

Yes, the combo is added to the hitting judgement rather than being a 1000 multiplier.

1550 for each perfect means the same exact AAA max score as with the combo system now. If players still decide to mash, that's their problem.

By the way, gross overexaggeration, but I have to agree with ~Zeta~ on this.



Above score: 5838740

FC score that's higher:

103 bobeck 6,101,605 2883 833 596 0 2895 4312

Players shouldn't be encouraged to mash hard just to get zero misses. IMO that results in laziness and lack of motivation to try figuring out patterns.

[~Zeta~]

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You're alterating the difficulty of the charts if you allow yourself to miss in songs to have better pa. It's like I played Magical 8bit Tour and missed the transitions on the 32nd trills to get 8-2-10-8 instead of 30-12-0-30. The reason imo why 13-1-3-4 would be worse than 134-34-0-325 is because missing is like a major blunder/being greedy on pa and mashing is like understanding that you can't do X part and trying to compensate by showing at least the speed with a pa penalty. If you can 13-1-3-4 something, you can definitely get like 18-3-0-16 and work from there. I think that boos could have a bigger penalty on songs rather than taking out the combo-scoring. It could affect the score in an exponential way when you start having too many of them.

tldr; Where's the "skill" in missing?

Or you're missing because you can't hit all of the notes. You're saying aimlessly mashing is ok. Which again, goes back to how is that a skill and why is it higher ranked than a person with the skill for better accuracy?

Basically what Dossar said.

[Plan_Bsk81127]

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mashing =/= playing

[emulord]

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You're alterating the difficulty of the charts if you allow yourself to miss in songs to have better pa. It's like I played Magical 8bit Tour and missed the transitions on the 32nd trills to get 8-2-10-8 instead of 30-12-0-30. The reason imo why 13-1-3-4 would be worse than 134-34-0-325 is because missing is like a major blunder/being greedy on pa and mashing is like understanding that you can't do X part and trying to compensate by showing at least the speed with a pa penalty. If you can 13-1-3-4 something, you can definitely get like 18-3-0-16 and work from there. I think that boos could have a bigger penalty on songs rather than taking out the combo-scoring. It could affect the score in an exponential way when you start having too many of them.

tldr; Where's the "skill" in missing?

This. Mashing is still somewhat difficult to do some patterns (runningmen, trills, jacks). It tends to be the intermediate players who mash so they have a placeholder score on some songs, then go back and fix it.
You still get to get the satisfaction of FCing even though you mash over the parts you cant do.

Pros are gonna have better PA FCs, so whats the problem?

In fact, a major problem is "Good accuracy almost FC's" beating mashed scores. This causes people to lose FCs since the scoreboard only keeps best score. It makes me paranoid and start mashing towards the end of a song to ensure I get a FC.

[~Zeta~]

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You missed the points completely. Mashing is mindless. Completely mindless. People see a pattern or wall of arrows and just mash because they don't know how to hit it or can't hit it. It's pretty stupid they get better ranks because they averaged/good/boo rushed all the hard patterns where a top tier player can hit all or most of it.


Getting rid of combo based scoring divides pros and joes. If joes can't play like pros, they shouldn't get the recognition as pros. It forces them to try and DO the files.


Let's go back to Dossar's analogy:

Person plays one minute waltz. He blindly mashes the tough, awkward fingering patterns but hits every note in the song with a considerable amount of other notes.

Another person plays it much nicer and cleaner but misses a few notes here and there.

Which sounds better?

[Coolboyrulez0]

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It's this simple:

If you miss you acknowledge that you are unable to hit certain parts but you still hit the all the notes that you know you are able of hitting.
That is acceptance of one's inability to hit said notes. That is skill.

Now, mashing is randomly spazzing your fingers to have a chance to hit all the arrows possible. This is like tossing a dice. That is called luck.