R1 - Actual Song Difficulties (game is inaccurate)

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  • Dronak
    FFR Veteran
    • Jun 2004
    • 601

    #46
    Over in the Bug Report forum, a complaint about difficulty ratings was replied to with a link to this thread so I decided to check it out. I didn't realize people considered the ratings to be that far off. Now granted, as a new player I'm not a great judge of difficulty. Even some of the easier songs seem difficult to me; the few higher level songs I tried for fun look damn near impossible to me, but people can do them. I did assume that the difficulty levels in the game were basically right though and was kind of working my way up the list. From what I see here, it looks like people like chardish's rating system better so I think I'm going to have to check it out a bit more, try songs according to these ratings and see what I think.

    The basis of the system looks pretty good because you've got some fairly concrete things to measure difficulty against -- note duration (quarter, eighth, sixteenth, etc), step pattern (regular even beats or not, maybe matching the melody instead), song tempo (faster is typically harder), that sort of thing. Hopefully that would make it easier to get accurate difficulty levels and you're right, fewer levels should make it a bit easier to decide what goes in which one. When you make the scale too fine, it does become difficult to tell one level from another. Too few though and you risk grouping together songs that are different enough to really require separate levels. You could let people say "this is low beginner" or "this is high beginner" for example, but that's almost like doubling the number of categories. It wouldn't have to be done on all levels though; like everything at Master might be essentially equally difficult. But if there's enough of a range in difficulty which is likely to happen on the easy end, then giving it a low/high split within the level could be useful. *shrug*

    Anyway, this sounds like a good idea for revising the ratings. I haven't compared yours to the game's yet to see how they match up, but when I get a chance I'll take a closer look.

    P.S. -- Maybe there are no 1 foot level games because that would kind of imply that you could do it on a dance pad while hopping on one foot, but since you use both feet the minimum difficulty level is 2 feet?

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    • curlydave
      FFR Player
      • Jun 2004
      • 52

      #47
      I'd just like to say that this is an excellent idea, and the way you categorized the songs is amazing, unlike the really bad one implemeted in the game.

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      • jimerax
        ★★★★★
        FFR Simfile Author
        FFR Music Producer
        • Nov 2003
        • 8185

        #48
        Originally posted by Dronak
        P.S. -- Maybe there are no 1 foot level games because that would kind of imply that you could do it on a dance pad while hopping on one foot, but since you use both feet the minimum difficulty level is 2 feet?
        For example , )) = two ) , so )) is considered to be level 2.
        But if it shows the length of the bar, )) is level 1.

        This difficulty list is pretty good, still needs correction of the difficulty in some songs though.

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        • Rushtheater72
          FFR Player
          • Jul 2004
          • 2

          #49
          im new and wasn to challange someone

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          • ImEric12
            FFR Player
            • Jan 2004
            • 1952

            #50
            You're not exactly making a good reputation for yourself by posting something like that in this thread. There is a whole forum dedicated to challenges, after all.

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            • Dronak
              FFR Veteran
              • Jun 2004
              • 601

              #51
              jimerax, if some of the songs still need their difficulty adjusted in the new list presented here, can you suggest which songs should be moved where? Having this list as accurate as possible will help me when I play other songs to compare the difficulties here with the game ones.

              Edit: I tried a few more games considering their difficulty levels according to the list here. Your Beginner and Easy categories contain many of the songs I've already played so it looks like the game is basically right on the easy end of things. A few of the songs with higher difficulties according to the game do look like they are easy enough to be moved down. I think from what I tried those were For Who I Am (Tricky), Bubbleman Stage Theme (Very Difficult), and 136.6 (Standard). I tried the secret songs in your Intermediate category because I hadn't and they were a bit hard for me. So I kind of stopped at that level; those will be songs to push on when I want a challenge. So I'm not sure what the high end is like, but even though the low end looks basically right in the game, your list still seems to improve it a bit.

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              • jimerax
                ★★★★★
                FFR Simfile Author
                FFR Music Producer
                • Nov 2003
                • 8185

                #52
                Ok, the following list is my suggestion of which song's difficulty should be adjusted and its reason.

                These songs are between Master and Expert..
                (D) HELLBEAT
                (D) RunnyMorning (SGX Mix)
                (P) AIM Anthem
                (P) Silence
                (C) Flight of the Bumblebee

                Expert --> Advanced
                (?) Lethal Injection
                Definitely not Expert anyways.

                Advanced --> Intermediate
                (A) Final Fantasy 7 Battle
                It doesn't have especially hard parts.
                (D) Contra-distinction
                It has 16ths but it's simple pattern and not that fast.

                Easy --> Beginner
                (D) Soul Shift
                ..or maybe still Easy.
                (D) Falling Into You
                I think it's basically 4th note only.

                Beginner --> Easy
                (H) 100 Bar Blackout
                It has some very fast jackhammer patterns.
                (R) Stay With Me
                It may a little fast in some parts for Beginner.

                Intermediate --> Advanced
                (?) Ingenuity
                double + 16ths at the last is a little hard.
                (D) Emotions
                The rhythm especially at the second half is a bit tricky.
                (A) Legend of Zelda Remix
                The Yossi zone has a little long 16th stream.. so Advanced.
                (A) 4F73R M3
                Last 16th doubles are hard.

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                • Squeek
                  let it snow~
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 14444

                  #53
                  After reviewing Jimerax's revisions to the proper difficulty of the songs they all make sense and would better fit into the newer categories much better. I second the above post with no revisions of my own to add.

                  ~Squeek

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                  • Dronak
                    FFR Veteran
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 601

                    #54
                    Well, you guys would certainly know most of this better than me having been here longer and played many more games including plenty I haven't even attempted once yet. I can really only comment on the lower end of things that I have seen, but since you have a group of songs between Master and Expert, you'd need to create a new category for them. Suggestions on a name for that?

                    I've tried Contra-distinction before because the game calls it Standard level. It's a bit too tricky for me right now. Having played with the new list here a bit, that probably put it at Intermediate at least. Most other Intermediate songs I've tried I also have trouble with. I don't know if it should be Intermediate or Advanced, but if it's slower 16ths, the lower level might be better.

                    Falling Into You might be worth dropping down -- it was the 3rd song I FCed and I've done that 3 times total now, more than any other song. Soul Shift took me a while to FC, but I forget if it was because I had to practice up some parts or if lag just messed things up.

                    I think I could go along with 100 Bar Blackout moving to Easy; I haven't FCed it yet and from what I remember of playing it, it does cause me a bit of trouble. Beginner's the easiest category here and I'm not sure 100 Bar Blackout is really that easy. Stay With Me could go either way, I think. It took me some time to FC it, but I think a lot of times lag messed me up and it wasn't really the difficulty of the song getting me. You may be right though that the quicker parts of it could be enough to bump it up to Easy.

                    The Intermediate to Advanced group -- from the descriptions, I think that's probably a good switch. I think Zelda's the only one I've really tried because it's called Standard and it is tricky. I think part of what gets me is that animated background though. Bit of an aside, but how does that Yossi bonus round work? I thought I got it in Super Mario, but I wasn't sure how or why. Was I mistaken, is it in both songs, or some weird bug?

                    I wonder if chardish is still around and reading the boards. It would be nice to get the creator's opinion on the suggested changes to the list. But if two people are backing the reasons for the change, I'm guessing you're probably right. Thanks for the information. It certainly helps to know how difficult the songs really are.

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                    • Z3ratul
                      FFR Player
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 940

                      #55
                      I just wanna say great system!!!

                      I guess that plops me somewhere between intermediate and advanced...
                      Originally posted by Grandiagod
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                      • iopq
                        FFR Player
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 569

                        #56
                        I agree with jimerax's revisions

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