Why do we still have the 40 credit limit?

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  • Sprite-
    HAVE ME WITH VODKA
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Aug 2005
    • 7317

    #46
    Re: Why do we still have the 40 credit limit?

    Oh, alright. THEN THIS IS A BIG PROBLEM.

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    • Xiaounlimited
      Eaguru
      • Jul 2005
      • 2832

      #47
      Re: Why do we still have the 40 credit limit?

      No matter how you splice it, leaving it or removing it will not have a profound effect on the system. Much like how currency works.

      40 cred limit per song? Songs like Planet Karma (100k) are hard to attain for most players who aren't very good, play much, or a combination of both. Increments past that by 10k or more become even harder to achieve.

      No limit per song? Songs that will be released will simply use higher increments. 150 credits on a perfect run of a song, for example - 3.75x the previous credit limit. Therefore, to make a song take as long to get as Planet Karma would simply be set at 375,000 credits to unlock or more.

      Need for credits will always be relative to how easily available they are. The only real advantage I see to removing the cap is allowing for a larger scale to utilized and credit requirements to be honed more finely instead of using arbitrary numbers as we do now.

      As of now, mashers can reach 40 credits as easily as those of us who whore for AAAs. Without a credit limit, even a mash FC won't reach as many credits as a clean score, raw or total.
      Why would you put that in your signature? You've lost your signature rights for a month. (You'll get them back on March 10th, 2012.)

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      • Sprite-
        HAVE ME WITH VODKA
        FFR Simfile Author
        • Aug 2005
        • 7317

        #48
        Re: Why do we still have the 40 credit limit?

        Originally posted by Xiaounlimited
        As of now, mashers can reach 40 credits as easily as those of us who whore for AAAs. Without a credit limit, even a mash FC won't reach as many credits as a clean score, raw or total.
        I really like the thought of this. That is how it should be.

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        • i love you
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          FFR Simfile Author
          • Oct 2006
          • 7315

          #49
          Re: Why do we still have the 40 credit limit?

          I never really thought about the credit limit being a problem but seeing what Xiao posted about mashers easliy gaining 40 credits everytime on a song makes things a little unfair.

          I would have to agree with Sprite.
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          • ninjaKIWI
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            FFR Simfile Author
            • Aug 2006
            • 3307

            #50
            Re: Why do we still have the 40 credit limit?

            It'd be interesting to have a different credit cap for every difficulty. The harder the song gets, higher the cap.
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            • Xiaounlimited
              Eaguru
              • Jul 2005
              • 2832

              #51
              Re: Why do we still have the 40 credit limit?

              Originally posted by ninjaKIWI
              It'd be interesting to have a different credit cap for every difficulty. The harder the song gets, higher the cap.
              That would technically already be in place without a credit limit. Easier songs wouldn't have many notes in the first place, so they wouldn't yield as many credits as say, an FMO or FGO, yeah?

              Doing so would just be redundant, IMO.
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              • Heartseeker7
                Untz Untz Untz Untz
                FFR Music Producer
                • Nov 2006
                • 571

                #52
                Re: Why do we still have the 40 credit limit?

                I was randomly thinking about this in school earlier.
                I think there should still be a limit, but it should be raised a bit, not just 40.
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                • Card Man
                  FFR Player
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 645

                  #53
                  Re: Why do we still have the 40 credit limit?

                  Originally posted by Nightfirecat
                  Sounds like a wonderful addition to my idea--no need to change the scoring, just use the regular score (50 for perf, 25 for good, 5 for avg, -5 for boo, -10 for miss), and set that for credits, so mashers still get way less than non-mashers even if they have high combo.
                  I like this one; after everything I have read, I still think there shouldn't be a credit cap.

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                  • Yoshiisland
                    FFR R1 Pikachu
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 953

                    #54
                    Re: Why do we still have the 40 credit limit?

                    I think what we should do is raise the cap to 50, but instead of 50000 for one credit, it should be raised like 60K/ I credit, etc.

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                    • tuv
                      FFR Player
                      • Jun 2006
                      • 188

                      #55
                      Re: Why do we still have the 40 credit limit?

                      I think we should raise the cap a little bit at a time then stop when we foresee a problem.

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                      • Ice wolf
                        FFR Player
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 852

                        #56
                        Re: Why do we still have the 40 credit limit?

                        Does anybody else wonder why this has been a problem for so long? What could the admins be doing that is so important? Why have they not fixed such simple things such as the song list sometimes being in reverse alphabetical order, or the number of your credits being bigger than the box it is in? Please, get rid of the cap already.
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                        • tha Guardians
                          MCDC 2011
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 1680

                          #57
                          Re: Why do we still have the 40 credit limit?

                          Originally posted by Xx{Midday}xX
                          Current credit system: (I think)
                          1 Credit = 50000 Total Score
                          Max capped = 40 Credits = 2000000 Total Score
                          Right?

                          Revised credit system: (I think would be nice.)
                          1 Credit = 75000 Total Score
                          40 Credits = 3000000 Total Score (Near AAA Hajnal)
                          Uncapped highest = 75 Credits = 5625000 Total Score (Near AAA FFLBF)

                          If near AAA Hajnal is a bit too harsh for UNknown Girl skill token requirements, change that to like 30 credits. Or change it entirely so that it involves the various Touhou songs in the game... or so that it requires a 666000 total score... lol. I find my revisions quite reasonable in terms of limiting timely credit acquisition and removing the cap.

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                          • Nightfirecat
                            ...back from the dead.
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 3213

                            #58
                            Re: Why do we still have the 40 credit limit?

                            No. Total score is sh*t.

                            Use the score that you see in-game. The one that is based on what notes you hit, and has no combo reference... That way, mashers kill their score.


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                            • Card Man
                              FFR Player
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 645

                              #59
                              Re: Why do we still have the 40 credit limit?

                              Originally posted by Nightfirecat
                              No. Total score is sh*t.

                              Use the score that you see in-game. The one that is based on what notes you hit, and has no combo reference... That way, mashers kill their score.
                              Now he has the idea! Exactly!

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                              • Flare0524
                                FFR Player
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 40

                                #60
                                Re: Why do we still have the 40 credit limit?

                                I think the current credit formula should just be scrapped and replaced with a new one based exclusively off of PA. For example, Credits Earned = (P/40)*(P/(P+G+A+B+M)), with credits earned after 40 being worth half as much (42 would be rounded to 41, 60 to 50, 80 to 60, and so on). This system would award an AAA of a 1500-note song 37 credits, while giving a score consisting of 80% perfects on the same song only 23. Some adjustments would be necessary (a bonus for AAAs, a harsher penalty for boos, etc), but it'd definitely be an improvement.

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