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  • FirstMaple8
    D7 Elite Keymasher
    • Apr 2016
    • 566

    #16
    Re: Argument for Rates >X1.0

    Originally posted by Soundwave-
    Part of the challenge of avg rank is to grind through it. It'd be like getting pianocore on 2x. That's just not the point.
    Exactly

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    • Antori
      FFR Veteran
      • Aug 2018
      • 296

      #17
      Re: Argument for Rates >X1.0

      i doubt many people got pianocore by legitimately playing every and each song fully they only need to hit one arrow then die and move on to the next song iirc

      it's a yes from me on higher rates leaderboards, moreover i would enjoy seeing the highest rated AAA ontop of the leaderboards instead of first person to AAA
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      • TheSaxRunner05
        The Doctor
        • Apr 2006
        • 6144

        #18
        Re: Argument for Rates >X1.0

        I don't see the coding of the site realistically working with changes to the leaderboards themselves, but recording scores over X1 rate is more realistic.


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        • devonin
          Very Grave Indeed
          Community Manager
          Event Staff
          FFR Simfile Author
          • Apr 2004
          • 10120

          #19
          Re: Argument for Rates >X1.0

          Letting the score save = entirely doable
          Having separate rate leaderboards = fraught with too many issues
          Having rates give you a better/different rank than the same score on 1.0 = see above

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          • Blackskull305
            Sippin' tea in yo hood
            • Feb 2007
            • 201

            #20
            Re: Argument for Rates >X1.0

            Originally posted by Soundwave-
            Part of the challenge of avg rank is to grind through it. It'd be like getting pianocore on 2x. That's just not the point.
            This is a valid argument. However, I think that anything that can be changed about the game which would result in more players engaging with and enjoying the easier half of the game would be a good thing (FFR could use more players!)

            IMO, I would spend much more time with the game if rated scores >1.0 were recorded, and I'm sure many others would as well.

            Take that with a grain of salt though since I am biased; I don't attribute much significance to the average rank leaderboard. If I had dedicated boat-loads of time to grind average rank rank, then I might have a different opinion on the matter. However, I don't think that that is a good enough reason to make the mods hesitate to make any changes that could boost overall player engagement.

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            • devonin
              Very Grave Indeed
              Community Manager
              Event Staff
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Apr 2004
              • 10120

              #21
              Re: Argument for Rates >X1.0

              I feel like

              "Being able to get pianocore on x2 cheapens it"

              needs to answer to

              "Having gotten pianocore 1000 songs ago cheapens it"

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              • Soundwave-
                Carry your failures proud
                • Sep 2015
                • 644

                #22
                Re: Argument for Rates >X1.0

                Originally posted by Blackskull305
                IMO, I would spend much more time with the game if rated scores >1.0 were recorded, and I'm sure many others would as well.
                I dunno, I guess I just don't get this considering that the game the popularized rates didn't record scores at all, so why should this be true.

                If it's actually a shared opinion then I guess it doesn't matter too much.
                Originally posted by [11:38 PM] Hakulyte
                only person who can legit tilt me is like YoshL
                Originally posted by スンファンさん
                右に3回回らない限り間違います。

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                • gold stinger
                  Signature Extraordinare~~
                  Event Staff
                  Game Manager
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  FFR Music Producer
                  Global Moderator
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 6429

                  #23
                  Re: Argument for Rates >X1.0

                  Just echoing again that all I really want from rates scores is for them to save the score as if it was a 1.0 score when it is higher than 1.0. If it is lower than 1.0, then ok, no deal.

                  If the argument is about Tokens then hahahahah
                  Originally posted by YoshL
                  butts.


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                  • Sanjixcon
                    Banned
                    • Jun 2016
                    • 617

                    #24
                    Re: Argument for Rates >X1.0

                    man lol i worked hard for a long time playing every song on 1.0 to get my avg rank down and to unlock certain tokens so a part of me wants others to have to put in that same effort/time. but i can definitely understand where you guys are coming from. either way i play on flash 9 so rates are always gonna be at 1.0 for me
                    Last edited by Sanjixcon; 07-5-2019, 01:33 PM.

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                    • Pizza69
                      Retired Staff
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Aug 2013
                      • 700

                      #25
                      Re: Argument for Rates >X1.0

                      Saying allowing higher rates would cheapen the achievement of getting PianoCore/Game Genie/whatever isn't a good argument. Even with higher rates, it's still going to take a long time to play every song, particularly if you're going for AAAs, and I wouldn't exactly call slogging through that endless queue of 4-minute-long snoozefest low-level rock songs "character building".

                      There are maybe 20 songs of difficulty <70 I haven't AAA'd, and that's a project I've chipped away at off and on for a couple of years, never spending too much time on in one sitting so I wouldn't burn myself out or start to find it unenjoyable. Allowing higher rates would preserve the spirit of the endeavor while letting everyone pick their own pace at which to go through it, and allowing the purists to play everything at 1.0 still.

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                      • VisD
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        • Jun 2007
                        • 1196

                        #26
                        Re: Argument for Rates &gt;X1.0

                        I'm all for this and similar ideas that bring old players back and keep current ones interested in the game

                        not to mention yeah I can't see this actually making files any /easier/ outside of a couple. If necessary I can't imagine it'd be too hard to create a very limited list of these exceptions that can't be "rated". "Rating" would be an advanced enough feature that the added complexity (of the player having to check the forums or read some post that says which songs can't be "rated") wouldn't confuse a new user (like we have any more of these anyway)

                        It's too quiet right now to start worrying about the iNtEgRitY oF mUh PiAnOCoRe ToKeN, to which devonin raises a very good question mark anyway

                        let's do it

                        edit: if it helps you naysayers, pretend it's a game mod like drunk or tornado or something
                        Last edited by VisD; 07-6-2019, 02:03 PM.


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                        • Dinglesberry
                          longing
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 2679

                          #27
                          Re: Argument for Rates &gt;X1.0

                          the entire argument against this is the reason id use it lol, not gonna lie

                          "its tedious to AAA all the easy ass files that are 3 mins long but have 50 notes so u might as well play them on 3.0x"

                          theres honestly no other benefit to it recording other than this. if ur going for high rank, then its not like ur gonna suddenly 1.1x a level 100+ song lol, so its irrelevant for that

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                          • FirstMaple8
                            D7 Elite Keymasher
                            • Apr 2016
                            • 566

                            #28
                            Re: Argument for Rates &gt;X1.0

                            Originally posted by Dinglesberry
                            the entire argument against this is the reason id use it lol, not gonna lie

                            "its tedious to AAA all the easy ass files that are 3 mins long but have 50 notes so u might as well play them on 3.0x"

                            theres honestly no other benefit to it recording other than this. if ur going for high rank, then its not like ur gonna suddenly 1.1x a level 100+ song lol, so its irrelevant for that
                            Yee

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                            • Soundwave-
                              Carry your failures proud
                              • Sep 2015
                              • 644

                              #29
                              Re: Argument for Rates &gt;X1.0

                              I think it's actually pretty dubious that it'd increase game interest but I'm not super invested in shooting this down.
                              Originally posted by [11:38 PM] Hakulyte
                              only person who can legit tilt me is like YoshL
                              Originally posted by スンファンさん
                              右に3回回らない限り間違います。

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                              • FirstMaple8
                                D7 Elite Keymasher
                                • Apr 2016
                                • 566

                                #30
                                Re: Argument for Rates &gt;X1.0

                                Originally posted by Soundwave-
                                I think it's actually pretty dubious that it'd increase game interest but I'm not super invested in shooting this down.
                                Im not exactly for it but im not super against it either

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