Does one average not let you have an FC?

[devonin]

Re: Does one average not let you have an FC?

The game was built with the emphasis on combo, and the assumption was literally ANY FC was going to be a better overall score than a non FC unless your 1 miss was like in the first or last 10 notes because of that multiplier.

Now with so much scoring done off raw score, there's not even a good reason to count FCs as a stat. They could literally just keep the AAA bar, and replace the FC bar with something that just looked for a raw score over a certain point for the song. Like, even something low like 60% of the max score possible, and count that as a thing to fill a bar.

Like how you can actually get to T1 now just by passing songs without needing to do even vaguely well on them, measure "You did pretty solidly on that" by looking at raw score instead of this weird disconnect where a bad FC scores worse than a good nonFC

[RenegadeLucien]

Re: Does one average not let you have an FC?

Or the FC bar could be replaced with a SDG bar

[devonin]

Re: Does one average not let you have an FC?

For the VAST majority of users, an SDG is basically the same as a AAA.

The level at which an SDG is like...-very- different from a AAA is very high and very small.

[rushyrulz]

Re: Does one average not let you have an FC?

Now with so much scoring done off raw score, there's not even a good reason to count FCs as a stat.

I disagree.

FCing is the first major goal (aside from passing) a large quantity of players gravitate to. The concept of full comboing didn't originate from FFR, nor is FFR the most prominent example of a game including it as an objective. So while, it may actually be meaningless when it comes to scoring in this particular game, I think it should still hold some significance by at least being recognized. Because of this, removing FCs entirely from the game wouldn't induce an out of sight, out of mind effect, but instead make it feel like something is missing, even though FCs really do have absolutely no significance outside of token unlocks in this game anymore.

When you grind away at a song for 30 minutes trying your hardest to hit every note without missing, finally get it, but notice the game didn't give you the two bold, green letters next to the title in song select that you were after simply because you got 3 goods too many on the FC run, it feels unfair and like you've been cheated. I've been a noob, you've been a noob, we've all been noobs and know the feeling of satisfaction from achieving a goal like this, however small, and yes, insignificant. (My grind it til' you get it song was Beethoven Virus btw, and it took a LOT longer than 30 minutes...).

I've been advocating for 'the FC flag' for years now, and it never has gotten off the ground. I don't think it would be hard to implement (since flags for FC, SDG, AAA, etc are already implemented, and a change in how these are reported/recorded would probably be all that is necessary), and it would only help the game, or at least not hurt it. If not for anything else, but to prevent the countless number of threads like these that have come up in the past from continuing to appear in the future.

/rant

For the VAST majority of users, an SDG is basically the same as a AAA.

The level at which an SDG is like...-very- different from a AAA is very high and very small.

And it is the players outside of this small window that care about FCing above all else. Being a frequent viewer of newer players' livestreams, full comboing is a very prominent topic.

EDIT: tl;dr: A lot of people truly care about FCing as an objective in this game and others like it, so removing them as a stat probably isn't in our best interest.

[One Winged Angel]

Re: Does one average not let you have an FC?

yeah I remember having a convo with either velo or max many many moons ago regarding the FC bar recognizing that a chart has been FC'd regardless of whether the score is your current best...whoever I was talking to made it seem like that would eventually be added

probably was forgotten about with other updates coming out (this was pre-skill rating so that was likely the main project at the time)

harass them again ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

For the VAST majority of users, an SDG is basically the same as a AAA.

The level at which an SDG is like...-very- different from a AAA is very high and very small.

honestly I could argue that the vast majority of users don't even know what SDGs and AAAs are, and/or don't care too much for measuring these statistics to begin with...once a player hits roughly D3 (which has been demonstrated time and time again by thousands of players to not require massive time investment if you're serious about improving), it's an important enough statistic to warrant measuring and tracking, and is definitely discernible at this skill level as quite different from both an ordinary FC that has no accuracy restrictions outside of zero misses and a perfect score

I'm pretty sure during the same conversation with whichever admin, I had also mentioned an SDG bar should be added with the advent of raw scoring and they were also receptive to the idea