wow... im totily not going to be talking to you.. and i hope your not feeping Phil with lies about God =_=

You sad fool.

u cant not just talk 2 people bc of what they think u should so u get 2know them, im sry paratoka put that wasnt good 2say

I do keep an open mind towards gods possibly existing. That's why I don't hesitate to examine evidence presented to me of their existence and then evaluate it myself and then examine my own beliefs. It's just how I conduct myself in these matters. I see someone who wouldn't click the link, or rather, copy it into their url because they're afraid of what they might find as being close minded. The reason I disprove Christianity, or rather, make people at least question their faith is not because I've got some need to have them believe differently, nor do I expect them to. I do it because people are extremely touchy on this matter and it tends to have interesting (if repetitive) conversations spring up from it all. I hardly see myself as close minded for having rejected Christianity after having considered it, read the book (as much as I could. Forgive me, it's rather dull with the begats and all) that the faithful consider as holy scripture, and come to the conclusion that it's en

tirely B.S. because of the sheer amount of contradictions against even common sense. I might consider myself close minded against Islam because I reject it without having read the Koran, but that's hardly my fault as I can't find one at my local library. I'm sorry if I'm skipping all over the place and not indenting enough and making this into a wall of text, but I've been sidetracked multiple times while writing this. Now, as for the Bible itself and the beliefs it generally endorses I find a great many to be abhorrent and some to be nice. Does this mean that I accept or deny all of what it endorses? Of course not, because I pick and choose from all of my life's experiences to form my own moral code. That's what I do. I might as well end this with a definition of my disbelief. I'm an atheist to the extent where I am almost as certain that there is no deity in existence, as described by mainstream religion, as I am that the computer in front of me is physical. Would I change m

ind if presented with sufficient evidence that clearly indicates a deity existing? Of course. It would be folly not to, and I accept that it COULD exist, but see it as such an absurd notion that I could hardly ever see myself investing in it, much less shaping my life around it and asserting that scripture should be taken as literal truth. So, I'm an agnostic on deities existing, but an atheist in belief. Sorry if you don't read this, but I'd like others to see it as well.
-Azrael

*Gasp* Pascal's Wager. What a terrible argument. First off, it's not much of a risk because you can posit an infinite number of deities and heavens and hells with equal chance of existing (somewhere that appears to be around 0%) and you've got the same risk being taken by everyone who isn't a believer in X god. Now, you are right, there are infinite possibilities, but that doesn't make them any more likely than any other possibilities with equal evidence. And I can sympathise greatly with there not being enough people to argue or debate with. The only people who manage to debate me in my school haven't gotten anywhere in fighting for Christianity and have only been able to say that theism is just as good a stance as atheism... which isn't quite true because the evidence we have thus far doesn't point to deities existing. Also, I dislike that they both are completely willing to lie to me to make their arguments appear superior. It's just... sad really. Oh, and I've had a "death

" experience in the nature of "I was clinically dead" but I didn't get any near death experience commonly cited by theists as proof that whatever religion they may subscribe to is true.

I suppose to add a bit more bite to this thread I'll just throw in http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/ as a link. I know you find certain parts of Christianity to be stupid and obviously so (which I find odd if you continue to believe in it as a whole...), but it's still there.

Well in that sense then most people would be half Christian because there are some decent moral guidelines in the book. From what the Christians around me would say a Christian is defined as one who accepts Jesus as their savior Yahweh as their god and accept the story of the resurrection and (generally) the other obvious myths such as the flood, the creation, and such. So, the question now is; what's your stance?

Damn it! You beat me to it Zen! That's the last time I tell you what I'm debating about. It steals my fun.

*Sticks tongue out*

Damn, nothing's happened for some time now. Poo. What do I do now? I was hoping that during my sojourn something would have happened.