TWG CXVIII: But Who Are Ur Friends, Really???

[yo man im awesome]

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

The only people I really like this game so far are Me/YIMA/Jarrod.

Can you explain this?

[yo man im awesome]

Other than you, obviously.

I like being cleared, but I don't like it when people under lynch pressure ingratiate with me.

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Also I'm leaning human on Backpack rn

[Vendetta21]

Anyways I am not going to make it home to get my list. I had some suspicions of Charu yesterday and I think for the most part the reasons should be mostly obvious (since it's mostly about white noise posting and being concillatory) but I found this post to make me not want him dead today, mainly because of his explanation of his questioning towards YMIA. (Seems like genuine questioning, I have suspicions of YMIA atm)

Which brings me to the other thing that popped up on my radar yesterday, and this one is going to seem a little self-centered but whatever

wow haven't played a game with V in a while it feels like, missed you man

ymia said this thing. i went back and forth on it when i first saw it because i always raise an eyebrow at buddying towards me, but then he said this

Lol Gradiant have you played with V before? Like, legit question. Because V is naturally blunt in this game.

and it felt like posturing to a game with mostly new players his veteran status (in both cases.) "I've been playing with this community a long time, I understand it. Here's this guy who took a break, let me help you to understand him."

Wolves do this all the time, This isn't anything out of the ordinary. He's trying to cast doubt over our votes, which applies to both roles in this situation, but it most certainly applies to a wolf's last chance attempt at survival.

I saw that come into effect here, when he used the Deferring to a Standard Play to solidify votes against Xiz. It showed such an undue confidence on his xiz vote (the sort of thing a wolf needs to display before a flip) and it did it with an air of "look I know this is the right call."

Found that stuff a little wolfy all together but mostly it was the last of the three quotes that made me ponder him more seriously. To really understand why I think this has merit you have to step back and take an honest look at how much people are capable of flying by on their veteran status. Manti is literally trying to do that right now. New players are overshadowed by veterans who clearly have a more sophisticated thought process about the game, and this often gives them a veneer of "unvotability" in early game. Any player who has even a partially conscious recognition of this fact knows that evoking that air is useful in long-term survival.

And yeah the only other thing I've seen that has struck me as weird was this

Though suspicious with the whole gradiant/yoshl "confirmed" business, I'm going to avoid voting for YMIA until we hear from him in greater detail. If he really is a mason then it would be bad to have to force him to claim again this early.

Plopadop doesn't want to vote for YMIA until he hears from him in greater detail? That just sounds like being scared to vote at all. After seeing how day 1 worked this strikes me as a uniquely odd subjective state of mind to still be in. You didn't learn by now that voting is how you get the information you want? Do you not want to rustle YMIA's feathers? Is it actually just an attempt to distance from YMIA without voting? Weird stuff.


But no, seriously, we should really fucking kill Manti today this is manti at his wolfiest. I've been a wolf with him like 5 times and he always gets lazier as a wolf because there's no mystery for him to solve.

manti

[DarkManticoreX2]

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Can you explain this?

Sure, Jarrod and I had the early mindmeld, and I've agreed with a lot of his day 1 postings.
The read on you is more complicated, and I'd rather not explain it, because I'll be here all day. Has a lot to do with your interactions with Gradiant D1.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

Anyways I am not going to make it home to get my list. I had some suspicions of Charu yesterday and I think for the most part the reasons should be mostly obvious (since it's mostly about white noise posting and being concillatory) but I found this post to make me not want him dead today, mainly because of his explanation of his questioning towards YMIA. (Seems like genuine questioning, I have suspicions of YMIA atm)

If this first paragraph is actually what V is thinking, and not posturing, I wouldn't be suprised if V was a wolf either.

V (if he's human) should know what i'm talking about. If he doesn't he's read less of this game then I have.

[DarkManticoreX2]

leaving in 5 anything else?

[yo man im awesome]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

ymia said this thing. i went back and forth on it when i first saw it because i always raise an eyebrow at buddying towards me, but then he said this

This was during the shitposting part of D0. While yes it has actually been a while since we last played, that isn't something worth making a legitimate point towards in the game.

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

and it felt like posturing to a game with mostly new players his veteran status (in both cases.) "I've been playing with this community a long time, I understand it. Here's this guy who took a break, let me help you to understand him."

That is not what I was getting at. I hate the concept of using veteran status as leverage. I was getting the point across that you like to be blunt/direct with your posts, and that it's not out of the ordinary.

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

I saw that come into effect here, when he used the Deferring to a Standard Play to solidify votes against Xiz. It showed such an undue confidence on his xiz vote (the sort of thing a wolf needs to display before a flip) and it did it with an air of "look I know this is the right call."

I explained this earlier.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Alright I'm out.

Make the right call don't lynch Manti 7/1/2014

[lurker]

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

Lurker has been in and out of the thread, but has left no memorable impression, and the entire day phase he stuck with Charu.

Near the end he tried to rantionalize charu's weird nonsense that he originally didn't like and "evolve" his read over to xiz. Frankly this whole post (below) feels faked.

i was voting for xiz because a) he DEFINITELY wasn't a mason and b) his presence was unquestionably damaging the game regardless of his role
as far as charu goes, idk, nobody really convinced me to do anything else other than xiz himself

[lurker]

as far as what anyone else says between now and the lynching

[dAnceguy117]

6 votes required to lynch.
Phase ends Tuesday, 7/1 at 8:00 p.m. Server Time or upon lynch.

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DarkManticoreX2 (2) - Vendetta21, yo man im awesome
yo man im awesome (2) - YoshL, j-rodd123
iluswirl (1) - Charles Claythorne
lurker (1) - DarkManticoreX2
YoshL (1) - lurker

YoshL -> DarkManticoreX2
Vendetta21 -> DarkManticoreX2
YoshL -> MrPopadopalis25
lurker -> YoshL
yo man im awesome -> DarkManticoreX2
YoshL -> yo man im awesome
j-rodd123 -> yo man im awesome
Charles Claythorne -> iluswirl
DarkManticoreX2 -> lurker

[Vendetta21]

got 2 hours and 12 minutes, boys

[YoshL]

i should be here for EoD unless i fall asleep

[j-rodd123]

Hey guys phone posting

[Vendetta21]

Okay we have an hour left please don't let this phase go no lynch also don't let Manti slide. Notice how he called me wolfy but didn't explain why? He just said "if you're human you should know." That's such a cheap trick to defer momentum away from you (call your assailant a wolf but don't really bother to give an explanation when it seems like you're going to die.

He throws caution to the wind, acts completely non-plussed, and again throws a vote on a total non-target that has no hope of being lynched. A strategic human selects a wolfy target that has a chance of dying and that other people are suspicious of. Only a wolf throws their vote away onto a non-target and then leaves.

[j-rodd123]

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

Sorry guys I didn't make it through the thread, I just got to the end of day 1.

The only people I really like this game so far are Me/YIMA/Jarrod.

The people I don't like are Charles/Lurker/Swirl.


ILU got really defensive day 1 multiple times when being pressured, but he was never really voted. (note to self, look who was applying pressure)



Lurker has been in and out of the thread, but has left no memorable impression, and the entire day phase he stuck with Charu.



Near the end he tried to rantionalize charu's weird nonsense that he originally didn't like and "evolve" his read over to xiz. Frankly this whole post (below) feels faked.



Charles has been Quiet, but analytical, and this game feels a lot like how he played in poker TWG
/Meta read.

Idk I kind of agree with these observations minus yoman, my fault for being not as engaged this phase but I was busy. We have an hour and I don't wanna lynch iluswirl as others suggested and I have a feeling manti could be human here

lurker

[DaBackpack]

A lot of what he ended with seemed calculated, but I think if you're wrong you're going to have a lot of suspicion on you

TBH, I can see this being a case of wolves getting rid of the biggest threat by taking advantage of his inactivity. But I'm sincerely hoping that isn't the case, and if Manti's innocent, we'll talk about it tomorrow.

Manti

[DaBackpack]

Actually if there's a Lurker train I'll jump on it

[Charu]

To be honest, I think I'll have a better idea who I want to go after tomorrow if I see Manti's flip.

If Manti flips green, I think I know for sure where my vote is going to go tomorrow.

If he's actually a wolf, well, I'm going to have to rethink some stuff next day phase, but I still have an idea of who.

Manti

[Vendetta21]

1 more vote to lynch manti