Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

[Xayphon]

Soooo....

[XxMidigamixX]

Originally Posted by Xayphon

Soooo....

rip

[CammyGoesRawr]

T...tier? D;

[Emithith]

It's only been like 2 weeks since ily posted. He said it could take a month..

[i love you]

We are still working on it guys do not worry about that. It is just taking us longer to finish then we thought so hang in there!

@justin_ator: We already had that in mind hehe :>

[unkanown444]

Any update on how the points are coming along?

[DossarLX ODI]

I finished the FGO/FSO tier point list, we're making good progress so far

[CammyGoesRawr]

[Zekramcross]

It's a good thing this is based off raw scoring instead of combo scoring. I can't mash for crap. Keep up the good work guys.

[i love you]

It should be done by this weekend! Stay tuned!

Well technically, I could post the Difficult list right now but I would rather do it once I finish the Challenging and Very Challenging List.

[kmay]

i have no idea whats going on with all of this... can someone sum it up? multiple difficulty tier levels. i got that much

[Elite Ninja]

!_! exciting

[i love you]

Originally Posted by kmay

i have no idea whats going on with all of this... can someone sum it up? multiple difficulty tier levels. i got that much

Pretty much most of the things we are going to change are mentioned on the OP however I think it is time I do a comparison between the old system and the new system so that people who does not really know what is going on will have an idea of what we are trying to accomplish. I am a slow typer so please give me some time to write up a list for you guys!

[XCV]

Well, that's one more awesome thing happening this weekend. Keep up the good work!

[reuben_tate]

Sounds exciting. ^_^

[i love you]

@Kmay and the community: Before you read the comparisons, I would like to provide some terms and information for those do not really know what these actually mean! You can skip the first spoiler if you actually know these terms!

Combo scoring - A scoring system that FFR currently uses that weighs the combo more than any other element in your score. In other words, it is more combo based meaning that the only way you can get a good score is to combo the file.

How combo scoring is calculated
total score = 1000*max combo + 550*perfects + 275*goods + 55*averages - 310*misses - 20*boos

Raw scoring - A more "new" scoring system that is not effected by combo at all. Instead, it is based on the number of perfects you get in a file. Often used in unofficial tournaments.

How raw scoring is calculated
raw score = 50*perfects + 25*goods + 5*averages - 10*misses - 5*boos

If you would like to view examples of this, please visit this thread so you can have an even better understanding!

Difficulties
D = Difficult (Also called "7s")
VD = Very Difficult (Also called "8's")
C = Challenging (Also called "9's")
VC = Very Challenging (Also called "10's")
FMO = For Masters Only (Also called "11's")
FGO = For Gurus Only (Also called "12's")
FSO = For Stepman Only (Also called "13s")

If you would like to know more about these FFR terms or just want to have more information, I recommend checking out the FAQ thread. In the future, the FAQ will be much more concise so it will be easier to follow and understand!

Unrelated Note: Personality, I think that the difficulty term names could use some improvement. Also, I think basing it on a 15 difficulty scale would probably be the best thing to do. Do not get me wrong, I do believe that the 100-point system is really accurate however I think that should be used to only determine what difficulty each file would be based on a 15 difficulty scale rather then just using it as the new difficulty system in general.

Difficulty Wise

[Old] The difficulties range from high VC to FSO!

Pros:
• Determines who were the top players in FFR.

Cons:
• It does not support the lower/average players.
• It has a limited difficulty spectrum.
• Discourages players from using the TP system.

[New] The difficulties range from D to FSO!

Pros:
• It better supports the lower/average players.
• It has a much wider difficulty spectrum.
• Encourages more players to use the TP system.

Cons:
• It does not support players who are not able to play D and higher however this is not really that much of a issue since those players can still get points by either passing those files or mashing an FC which can only give them 1 or 2 points maximum depending how heavy they were mashing.

Scoring Wise

[Old] Tier Points were based on combo scoring!

Pros:
• Much easier to code in the FFR database!

Cons:
• It has high bias against people who are bad at jacking and trilling.
• It requires more attempts to get good scores.
• It discourages more people from using the TP system.

[New] Tier Points are now based on raw scoring!

Pros:
• You can get TP based on your skill even on a file you can not combo.
• It gives a better determination of skill.
• It will encourage more people to not mash files for points.

Cons:
• Your TP and level ranks may not line up with each other. In other words, it could look messy and confusing.
• Harder to code in the FFR database because of how messy the original TP code is.

Song Selection Wise

[Old] What do we have now?
We choose the hardest of the hardest songs from VC to FSO no matter how hard and dumb it was! This really was not a smart idea because it make it look like that we rushed the system and that is never a good thing because it ended up with a lot of issues.

Example: Crowdpleaser requirements...

[New] What has changed?
We choose songs that carefully tested a number of different skills which is good because now you can see what things your good or bad at! Not to mention that you no longer have to worry about combo scoring anymore!

Example: You'll find out soon enough...

Overall: We just made history of fixing up this TP system once and for all! I am so glad that I made this move because there was a good chance that if I did not do something about this system, no one else would just because of all the time you would have to spent on this to actually plan, setup, organize and redo the whole system! The best part about this is that within a few weeks, this baby will be up and stable! I could have never done this without my leaders and YOU! I thank you guys for giving us the time and support into working on this system! <3

Personal rating: 8/10 (Mainly because there is always room for improvement and that it's possible that we could do an even better change in the future!)

[i love you]

With that said, here are the Difficult requirements! Please keep in mind that this is not final UNTIL the community agrees with this! I will not post the rest until this weekend so while that time comes, I would like you guys to look at this to see if you agree with it or if that we should modify it a bit.

KEY:
LONG = 2:31 and longer
VERY LONG = 5:01 and longer

1.Gameboy Rave! [422 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

2. EternuS [1194 Combo] [LONG]
(6) - AAA
(5) - 5 goods or better
(4) - 15 goods or better
(3) - 40 goods or better
(2) - 150 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

3. Get Ready 2 Rokk [1077 Combo] [LONG]
(6) - AAA
(5) - 5 goods or better
(4) - 15 goods or better
(3) - 40 goods or better
(2) - 150 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

4. ReRicked [400 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

5. The Final Fantasy [670 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

6. Tetris Remix [546 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

7. World of Dreams [1056 Combo] [LONG]
(6) - AAA
(5) - 5 goods or better
(4) - 15 goods or better
(3) - 40 goods or better
(2) - 150 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

8. Mario Eurobeat [375 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

9. Ninja Turtles Theme [325 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

10. Speed Limit 38 [705 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

11. Hiszekeny [641 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

12. Noir Remixed [554 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

13. FFR Evolution [765 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

14. Hungarian Dance #5 [563 Combo]
(5) - 1 good or better
(4) - 9 goods or better
(3) - 25 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

15. Platypus [412 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

[XxMidigamixX]

I actually agree with the requirements for the 7s since it gives everyone a chance to earn at least 1 TP in each of those files and over time will help them improve bit by bit. But I have a question, once its in place, the songs that we have already AAA'd and whatnot, do we have to re-AAA the file or it will automatically update from it?

[i love you]

Originally Posted by XxMidigamixX

I actually agree with the requirements for the 7s since it gives everyone a chance to earn at least 1 TP in each of those files and over time will help them improve bit by bit. But I have a question, once its in place, the songs that we have already AAA'd and whatnot, do we have to re-AAA the file or it will automatically update from it?

It will automatically update from it.There is NO way I am making you guys redo the whole thing. That would be silly and might even make current members to not care about the TP system.

EDIT: Anyway, I will be back on this thread at around noon. I have to study for an upcoming test!

[PrawnSkunk]

On the songs that have something like '150 goods or better' - does that mean if someone gets one average, or one boo that it ruins their run for tier points?

It seems like all these requirements are for clean runs only (apart from passing the song)