TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

[Tps222]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=130270

I mean honestly Freaky, you have 3x more posts because of this triple post deal. It's getting to the point of visual garbage. You come off as a ranting emotional lunatic anytime you feel that someone has misinterpreted you.

[AC1speakerbox]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

Here we are yet again with you just refusing to acknowledge anything negative about you.

My vote is on you because I felt like you were trying to use the rebound from Cedo's claim to try and get V lynched unreasonably-- until that totally didn't work, so it wasn't your intention after all, and your -real- goal is totally different. Trying to anger somebody and clear their name at the same time is such horseshit I can hardly believe I have to defend my suspicion.

V said it very clearly. You refuse to acknowledge the perspective of others, which is ironically exactly what you say you hate Viccica for.

There is more than enough contradiction in your jumpy goals to raise a few eyebrows.

Also, if you actually think there is no chance Cedo is vigi, you are asinine.

But wait, there's more. Lynching bad players gives no substance to a game, just in case you still don't understand why everyone isn't gung ho about that. If everybody just agrees to a crapshot lynch, we've learned nothing about anybody. It is only through contentious lynches that we start to gain useful information. It's a bad idea.

[Tps222]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

I'm also disappointed in V and Manti for not stepping up and putting these two into place. We're never going to reach a lynch consensus at this point, and V"s "no lynch" post certainly doesn't help.

I have no problem putting a vote on freaky at this point because I really do feel like my earlier stated post holds true.

Are you just fishing for someone to speak out to save you? Nothing you have said has made me think you're a human at all. If anything, you're coming off as a wolf who fucked up on his strategy to emulate his previous game's actions, and it would appear that now your wolfy buddies have deemed you a lost cause and are letting you fend for yourself.

[AC1speakerbox]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

And why hasn't anyone stopped to think that when Manti says there is no support for Freaky, he -IS- the support for Freaky?

[Crazyjayde]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

For all I care, Freaky is one-shot vigi and I'll be killed during the night. GG

I'll be back home in a few minutes.

[Vendetta21]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

And why hasn't anyone stopped to think that when Manti says there is no support for Freaky, he -IS- the support for Freaky?

I acknowledged this. I will lynch freaky if it comes to it.

I am hungover and my thought process isn't clear, I am going through that part of the day phase where I am mulling everything over again.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

It's not that his posts are bad or anything, there's a brand of logic behind them. I (and everyone else) don't want to have to sift through your 132 posts and pick out the good from the bad.

It floods the thread, makes it HARDER to go back and find quality posts by other people and it makes you look like an unorganized and scatterbrained player.

None of which is good for finding wolves. I think you're human, but your posting style is annoying and causing people to tunnel vision you when there are better candidates out there.

And why hasn't anyone stopped to think that when Manti says there is no support for Freaky, he -IS- the support for Freaky?

If Freaky and I were wolves together I'd be doing a lot more undermining and might even try to push for a lynch on V for making cedo crack/reveal he was a blue, when it was already pretty implied.

[Vendetta21]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

So manti's play is pretty laissez faire, truth be told. If he were a wolf he wouldn't defend freaky if he were a fellow wolf like that (I imagine he would make a strong push elsewhere), but he would defend freaky if freaky were human because it looks like he was going to die anyways and upon the flip it would lend him credence. This is worth considering because his defense of freaky and push towards danceguy are both weak. It could almost be perceived as being intentionally weak, considering I asked for more about his perspective on danceguy.

If manti were a human, he would defend freaky only if he thought it was a bad decision geniunely (manti does defend bad lynch candidates on day one sometimes.) So correlating manti to freaky if freaky is a wolf only really makes a lot of sense if manti is both a human and his read is bad, in my opinion. Which is entirely possible.

He plays conservatively in early day phases, but that is honestly partially because early day phases are not where manti shines.

The read is murky, but it leans more towards human. If manti IS a wolf, freaky is probably human. That's my read. If manti is human, then it lends to freaky's humanity because while manti doesn't shine on day 1 he also doesn't take suspicion off someone with a blind hunch, and he sometimes tactically withholds information.

But that's my speculation, Manti should probably answer for himself here.

[Vendetta21]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

James May

Dude is playing a game on mafiascum (much harder than this crowd) and isn't even really committing time here. He is in another game but doesn't want to give up his seat yet isn't really playing this one and his contributions are half-assed.

It is easy to interpret this as him feeling satisfied with the strategy he is currently undertaking because it is effective. Why quit a game you don't have time for when not having time for it is winning the game for you?

[AC1speakerbox]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

So manti's play is pretty laissez faire, truth be told. If he were a wolf he wouldn't defend freaky if he were a fellow wolf like that (I imagine he would make a strong push elsewhere), but he would defend freaky if freaky were human because it looks like he was going to die anyways and upon the flip it would lend him credence. This is worth considering because his defense of freaky and push towards danceguy are both weak. It could almost be perceived as being intentionally weak, considering I asked for more about his perspective on danceguy.

If manti were a human, he would defend freaky only if he thought it was a bad decision geniunely (manti does defend bad lynch candidates on day one sometimes.) So correlating manti to freaky if freaky is a wolf only really makes a lot of sense if manti is both a human and his read is bad, in my opinion. Which is entirely possible.

He plays conservatively in early day phases, but that is honestly partially because early day phases are not where manti shines.

The read is murky, but it leans more towards human. If manti IS a wolf, freaky is probably human. That's my read. If manti is human, then it lends to freaky's humanity because while manti doesn't shine on day 1 he also doesn't take suspicion off someone with a blind hunch, and he sometimes tactically withholds information.

But that's my speculation, Manti should probably answer for himself here.

The argument's fine, but all we really accomplish in the end here is saying that it's somewhat unlikely the both of them are wolves, and that's not much.

[Zoshi]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

Freakysnots Trying to reread the thread but your posts are doing my head in! 132 posts!!!!! Stop triple, double, quadriple posting!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is actually 70% serious. I might seem more active if we get rid of him.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

Anyway someone wanted a rationalization of my Daceguy vote, and I need to pull that through.

Let me start off with this: none of Danceguy's posts are inherantly bad or wolfy by themselves. That being said, I have talked to danceguy in previous games and he is sharp enough to know where trouble is, when he needs to mess things up, and when to build his persona.

He is currently building persona. The reason i think he's a wolf is that none of his posts have been accusatory when that is a necessary component of being a day 1 townsfolk.

Dance has 14 posts:

The first 6 are joke/funny thread intro humor.

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His 7th is logically sound, but tonefully neutral. There was an opportunity to take a side here and it was declined. He defends freaky's style while shooting down freaky's vigi/sk idea. There's nothing wrong with this post logically, but it's interesting because neutrality was maintained.

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Post 8 is generic "Ra Ra lets go humans" cheerleadering with a vote on one of the weaker players in the game. There are several ideas in the thread, and he completely ignores the Yo-man banter currently going on, which seems oddly detached since that was one of the bigger things happening at the time.

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Post 9 is his best post, but it's going to require another hour of dissecting, and i'm getting out of work in 20 minutes. I'll extrapolate on it later. The big things to note here are
-More "Ra Ra" cheerleadering
-His town read on Yo man
-His read of wolf on me and zoshi, but moreso the fact that this was posted on page 10 and I did nothing till page 20. He never pursued it, despite the fact that I deserved it. This leads me to think he was trying to skirt around me and let others pick up the lynch so he wouldn't take heat from me directly.
-He pushes Cedo/Ac1 more into the spotlight with unfavorable looks/suggestions, but leaves a backdoor in the same post (on the other hand....)

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Post 10 is a joke post and post 12 is "why would you guard Ac1"

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Posts 11,13,14 are stating/re-stating the obvious. Everyone should be pretty aware Freaky/V can't both be wolves on the same team. There is no detective work being done here, just generalized observations.


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Danceguy has done nothing pro-town, but has subverted weaker players throughout the day phase while appearing to stay pretty neutral. This seems like pretty solid wolf play to me.

[dAnceguy117]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

The argument's fine, but all we really accomplish in the end here is saying that it's somewhat unlikely the both of them are wolves, and that's not much.

Those connections become meaningful down the road, especially once some cardflips have come into play.

[dAnceguy117]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

That being said, I have talked to danceguy in previous games and he is sharp enough to know where trouble is, when he needs to mess things up, and when to build his persona.

If I recall correctly, we've only ever talked once, correct? I appreciate the compliment though lol.

The reason i think he's a wolf is that none of his posts have been accusatory when that is a necessary component of being a day 1 townsfolk.

"none of his posts have been accusatory"

That's not true.

will read/post more late tonight

[AC1speakerbox]

Re: TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

I'd rather you post more now