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Old 09-22-2007, 02:58 AM   #1
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Default Crowdpleaser -One lousy Miss-

Weeeeeeee Rank 4! Meh-ish PA, went crazy at the trill. But ONE MISS! Whats the highest combo ever achieved by the way?
Anyway, I'm pretty satisfied with my score.
Woot~
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Old 09-22-2007, 03:23 AM   #2
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wow....
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Old 09-22-2007, 03:23 AM   #3
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omg >.< I'd be amazed if I ever got through the trills with only one miss. Much less the weird part after it I have to get boos on because I can't read the jump pattern with the down arrow in the middle.
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Old 09-22-2007, 03:53 AM   #4
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I still don't get how it's possible to get a 700+ combo. isn't that jack thing impossible to combo? (not the long jack, the jacks right after the 424242 jacktrill)
either way though, I miss on the 424242 jacktrill and it's at ~250-260 combo.
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Old 09-22-2007, 04:07 AM   #5
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I still don't get how it's possible to get a 700+ combo. isn't that jack thing impossible to combo? (not the long jack, the jacks right after the 424242 jacktrill)
either way though, I miss on the 424242 jacktrill and it's at ~250-260 combo.
Well you should believe, as I DID get over 700 combo and I DID get the "after 424242 trill".
And the 4242 "jack?" trill is at 450 - 460, not 250 - 260.

Bloody hell, I tried the song again, and I got 751 combo. I would almost be guaranteed a spot in first or second place, but I BLOODY missed at the burst, where the song takes a break for a sec or two...
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Old 09-22-2007, 05:43 AM   #6
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lol nice
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Old 09-22-2007, 06:35 AM   #7
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You're using double setup if you've gotten to a 751 combo. That is 3 or 4 steps after the trill, and currently, with 24 boos, and considering that you got 3/4's of them on the trill, you would be tapping at around 20tps, for about 1.5 seconds. 20tps per finger x1.5 seconds, not adding the extra boos in, you would be averaging around 75 taps within those 1.5~ seconds. Not too plausible to me. That would mean that you're faster than every other single person on this site, yet alone the world. I'm not calling bs or anything, I'm just stating the obvious.
If you don't mind me asking, what was your approach for the trill? What did you do before it, how did you hit the notes, etc.?

Actually, I'm wrong about a few things..
At the start of the trill, the entire length of it is 1.4 seconds. There are 28 notes within the trill, not including the jump for the 749 combo at the end. 749 is completely through the trill and hitting the jump at the end of it. Getting a 751 combo, would either
A) You nailed the entire trill and missed the jump at the end of it, and got an extra three arrows registered towards your combo from misses.
B) You completely nailed the entire trill and missed on a 16th right afterwards.
The actual trill, not the easy stuff before it (I.E anything before a 731 combo), is 0.4 seconds long. Within those 0.4 seconds, there are 16 notes, including a 1-framer.
Before the trill, there are 12 notes, which should be a cinch. 719+12= The easy 731 combo. Anything after that, will really depend on your approach on hitting it. I got a 741 combo, which is essentially losing the combo on the 1-framer. Hitting the 1-framer would land you either a 742/743 combo, depending on things, hence why mostly everyone on that high score list, with the exception of a few, have between 738-742 combo. Anything after it would require some really good knowledge on how to hit that entire section because there are tricks to doing, and you just don't combo it on a regular run/s. Not only knowledge, but practically a pair of the fastest fingers in the world.
Even vibrating, consistent or not, doesn't count as an approach. The one framer, and the 3 arrows around it, should be treated as jumps, which would give you averages and goods, along with basically the entire section. It is all required to be hit early, and as jump-jacks. I know you got a lot of boos here because you should not be getting boos on the first two bursts if you can combo this entire section. Your PA is decent, so you definitely didn't get the boos on smashing anything else. Honestly, if anyone is going to do this, which is still very unlikely, it would be Rubix.
FC'ing Crowdpleaser would basically mean you would have to get through the bursts,
then the trill, the one-framer, the jump for 749, and the rest of the song. The bursts are hard enough to combo, yet alone the trill, and we all know no one should be missing on any note on that song, I don't care if you're nervous or not, if you can combo the trill.
EDIT 9000: I could be mistaken about calling this out, but I also have my doubts about Shash's elusive 747 combo on that song, since we all know how bad Shash is with jacks, and anyone else who has over 745 combo. I mean, it is possible, but extremely hard to achieve.

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Old 09-22-2007, 10:31 AM   #8
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going with scottish.
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Old 09-22-2007, 10:42 AM   #9
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This post says tournament ban all over it...
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Old 09-22-2007, 10:56 AM   #10
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I'ma go with what Scottish said. But I AM calling BS. I dunno I just find it highly unlikely.
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Old 09-22-2007, 11:00 AM   #11
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One miss means you FCed one side of the trill, not too sure.
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Old 09-22-2007, 11:04 AM   #12
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I believe it, he could have done what Jimerax had actually said is allowed, which is using double setup on the same keys, such as triling between the two hands with one hand one left and right and the other on left and right, and then moving back quickly to spread indexes or whatever.
Check the tier points thread, probably about 5 pages in from the most current page....
If you were acutally not doing that and legitimately doing the jacks.....that is hard to believe.
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Old 09-22-2007, 11:04 AM   #13
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omfg Destiny u got this man u can get ranked one!

btw, anyone calling bs is dumb as hell, im ranked 24 on CP for hitting the whole 64th trill, so it is possible. anyway, goodluck w/ teh rank one on CP Destiny ^_^
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Old 09-22-2007, 11:10 AM   #14
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with ds, it's possible. if you comboed the trill, you either ds'd or used arrow slowdown lmao.

although I'm not sure about the op's score. if it's legit, very nice.
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Old 09-22-2007, 11:17 AM   #15
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This is my suggestion for the next major update, currently.

(9)- Full Combo (1,814,420)
(8)- 1,410,000 or higher
(7)- 1,400,000 or higher
(6)- 1,390,000 or higher
(5)- 1,380,000 or higher
(4)- 1,200,000 or higher
(3)- 1,150,000 or higher
(2)- 1,140,000 or higher
(1)- 1,130,000 or higher

* using 4 fingers with single set up on the super trill is legit
ok he words it differently, but basically if you used for example your first and second fingers to hit one set of left-right arrows as a jump, then did the same with your left hand, you would only have to trill at the speed of the 16th notes.

that's doable.
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Old 09-22-2007, 11:21 AM   #16
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1 is the only miss count that's extreme close to FC on CP.
and you got most of those boos in 64th trills right?

Maybe I've tried that song over 100 times so they include any lucky cases,
and have never got under 4(or maybe 3, not sure) misses in that trill section.

If you did 64th LR trills on single setup w/ 2 fingers, you're at least 1.5x faster than me.
Double setup? highly likely because of miss/boo count.
Not sure about single w/ 4 fingers though.
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Old 09-22-2007, 11:37 AM   #17
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osnap. this is gonna be intense.
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Old 09-22-2007, 11:40 AM   #18
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Im calling bs too i played crowdpleaser 143 times on day and i could never hit the trills.
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Old 09-22-2007, 12:14 PM   #19
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this is a kind of score you can't call BS on persay... because of the nature of the score he actually did do it and didn't hack the score.... HOWEVER it is apparent that there was double set up involved, so you could say i'm calling BS all you want but it's rather i don't believe there was anyway he got that score without using double setup
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Old 09-22-2007, 12:21 PM   #20
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Actually when I analyzed Sprite's score recently and his max combo, a combo of 750+ is possible without comboing the framers/trill even though it's a combo indicating a trill FC. When you miss a framer, you can still hit other arrows before the avmiss registers (this is also why people were able to get 317 combo on Chrono -- if you were to roll the arrows quickly after this one 0-framer, you could hit a bunch more arrows before the miss registers). If the combo meter were 100% accurate, very few people would have over a 740 combo right now. Since the trill is so fast, you can hit a ton of arrows after the one-framers to increase the combo before the game realizes you've avmissed, and so this is how people inflate their combos without actually comboing the trill, since a combo of 747 (assuming a 100% accurate combo meter) would mean a clearing of the trills. A high combo like 745+ means they comboed the first set of framers and avmissed the second set on the left. Basically this means Destiny was able to hit every arrow and avmissed on the left one-framer.

Where did most of your boos come from? For example, my boos mainly come from the stuff before the crazy trill because it's when I start my general jump-jacking/trilling process in order for me to achieve the early timing necessary for the trill. The trill itself has enough arrows to justify any hit you may give it -- it's unlikely for you to be getting a bunch of boos in the crazy section unless you're using double setup.

The fact that so many people have a fairly high combo is indicative of the fact that the trill is actually comboable -- Smitty had 2 misses, I believe. The speed is not the issue here, it's being able to hit the framers quickly enough and early enough. If you start early enough and manage to last until the framers, this is actually the only small part of the trill that matters in terms of speed, as everything afterward can withstand any timing window lag (ie. you can slip them into Goods and Perfects and late Goods and it won't matter), so technically, speed is only ESSENTIAL for a small portion of the trill, and this is how people like Shash and Sprite have gotten large combos.

But you are correct Scottish, vibrating is only going to make one rely on sheer luck -- the idea is that people need to focus on hitting the two framers. The problem is that they are just hard to hit -- I mean there's a one-framer burst earlier on in the song. Here you're hitting two of those in a much faster window.

In other words, you need to make a video of you achieving these combos to see what exactly you're doing and how you're achieving the numbers.
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